"The Round Earth Conspiracy"
« on: December 09, 2014, 01:36:06 AM »
What is the purpose the for the world's government to tell us that the world is round and hide the "knowledge" that the world is flat? What advantage is their in keeping this information from us?

Bonus question: Why do you believe the earth is flat? What made you believe this?

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Re: "The Round Earth Conspiracy"
« Reply #1 on: December 09, 2014, 01:42:12 AM »
What is the purpose the for the world's government to tell us that the world is round and hide the "knowledge" that the world is flat? What advantage is their in keeping this information from us?

Bonus question: Why do you believe the earth is flat? What made you believe this?

The government is lying about space travel, and to maintain the lie they have to claim the Earth to be round.

For more information, please see: http://wiki.tfes.org/Conspiracy

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« Reply #2 on: December 09, 2014, 12:39:55 PM »
What is the purpose the for the world's government to tell us that the world is round and hide the "knowledge" that the world is flat? What advantage is their in keeping this information from us?

Bonus question: Why do you believe the earth is flat? What made you believe this?

The government is lying about space travel, and to maintain the lie they have to claim the Earth to be round.

For more information, please see: http://wiki.tfes.org/Conspiracy

You didn't answer my question. I'm asking what is the benefit of the government withholding this information from us?

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« Reply #3 on: December 09, 2014, 02:27:11 PM »
If you can control what people think, you control the people. 

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« Reply #4 on: December 09, 2014, 05:53:04 PM »
What is the purpose the for the world's government to tell us that the world is round and hide the "knowledge" that the world is flat? What advantage is their in keeping this information from us?

Bonus question: Why do you believe the earth is flat? What made you believe this?


The government is lying about space travel, and to maintain the lie they have to claim the Earth to be round.

For more information, please see: http://wiki.tfes.org/Conspiracy

You didn't answer my question. I'm asking what is the benefit of the government withholding this information from us?

If the government admitted that they lied about space travel and that the Earth was actually flat... what do you think would happen?

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« Reply #5 on: December 10, 2014, 06:16:11 AM »
But why lie about the Earth being flat in the first place?

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« Reply #6 on: December 10, 2014, 06:19:22 AM »
If you can control what people think, you control the people.
I've heard this before and I can understand this logic of thinking when it comes to other conspiracy theories, but with this it just doesn't make sense. Why lie about the earth being flat? And don't say to " cover up blah blah blah about spar travel." I want to know why you think the government lied about the earth being flat in the first place? Why can't they say the earth is flat and still make up stuff about space travel?

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« Reply #7 on: December 10, 2014, 06:50:15 AM »
They didn't lie about the shape of the Earth. They honestly believe the Earth is round.

They lied about space travel.

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« Reply #8 on: December 10, 2014, 02:17:57 PM »
If the government is lying about space travel, then why are they spending so much money on spy satellites?
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« Reply #9 on: December 10, 2014, 02:44:01 PM »
They didn't lie about the shape of the Earth. They honestly believe the Earth is round.

They lied about space travel.

So you really think all the scientists in the world are wrong and a few people in a fringe society are right? You'll probably respond with something like " well Newton believed in alchemy." The thing is though that science is constantly adapting. Things get proven and disproven constantly. If there were any evidence that the Earth was flat scientists would report it because they have no attachment to the idea of the Earth being round, but simply to gain knowledge.

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« Reply #10 on: December 10, 2014, 02:47:51 PM »
Perhaps they don't report these findings for fear of being ridiculed by their peers or loosing their jobs?  If you spend a lifetime being educated and building up your academic standings, would you not think twice if you discovered proof that everything you learned/taught and your entire life work is wrong? 

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« Reply #11 on: December 10, 2014, 02:59:16 PM »
Perhaps they don't report these findings for fear of being ridiculed by their peers or loosing their jobs?  If you spend a lifetime being educated and building up your academic standings, would you not think twice if you discovered proof that everything you learned/taught and your entire life work is wrong?

Scientists challenge established theories all the time. It's how science continues to grow and evolve. Without this science would become become like a religion and never change. If there was any credible evidence a scientist would report it.

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« Reply #12 on: December 10, 2014, 03:07:05 PM »
Scientists may have also be threatened to keep their information secret, or simply feared a reprisal from the conspiracy if they went public.  It could also be that some of them did find evidence, and were then eliminated. 

It is also a possibility that if a scientist did actually find information about the Earth being flat, they were simply paid to keep their mouths shut.  Scientists will say anything for the right amount of money.  They are people, just like you and I. 

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« Reply #13 on: December 10, 2014, 05:53:48 PM »
Scientists challenge established theories all the time. It's how science continues to grow and evolve. Without this science would become become like a religion and never change.

I think you hit the nail on the head with this sentence. That's exactly what modern science has become: religious dogma. Many scientists are scared of coming out of the scientific closet in fear of tarnishing their reputations.

Most Round Earth science is self-proving in how it's set up, so many scientists go their whole lives without finding the truth about the shape of the Earth. It's also worth noting that there are not many scientists who devote their careers to just studying the shape of the Earth because it is already so widely accepted to be round.
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« Reply #14 on: December 10, 2014, 06:23:51 PM »
Perhaps they don't report these findings for fear of being ridiculed by their peers or loosing their jobs?  If you spend a lifetime being educated and building up your academic standings, would you not think twice if you discovered proof that everything you learned/taught and your entire life work is wrong?
Do you mean like when Newton kept quite when he discovered that everything that he learned about gravity was wrong?  Or when Einstein kept quiet when he discovered that Newton was wrong?  Why do you keep insisting that scientists are all about keeping the status quo when science makes its greatest advances by blowing the status quo out of the water?
Abandon hope all ye who press enter here.

Science is what happens when preconception meets verification.

Ignorance more frequently begets confidence than does knowledge. -- Charles Darwin

If you can't demonstrate it, then you shouldn't believe it.

Ghost of V

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« Reply #15 on: December 10, 2014, 06:30:01 PM »
Perhaps they don't report these findings for fear of being ridiculed by their peers or loosing their jobs?  If you spend a lifetime being educated and building up your academic standings, would you not think twice if you discovered proof that everything you learned/taught and your entire life work is wrong?
Do you mean like when Newton kept quite when he discovered that everything that he learned about gravity was wrong?  Or when Einstein kept quiet when he discovered that Newton was wrong?  Why do you keep insisting that scientists are all about keeping the status quo when science makes its greatest advances by blowing the status quo out of the water?

Isaac Newton is like science's Jesus. He did not actually exist.

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« Reply #16 on: December 20, 2014, 11:47:06 PM »
Perhaps they don't report these findings for fear of being ridiculed by their peers or loosing their jobs?  If you spend a lifetime being educated and building up your academic standings, would you not think twice if you discovered proof that everything you learned/taught and your entire life work is wrong?
Do you mean like when Newton kept quite when he discovered that everything that he learned about gravity was wrong?  Or when Einstein kept quiet when he discovered that Newton was wrong?  Why do you keep insisting that scientists are all about keeping the status quo when science makes its greatest advances by blowing the status quo out of the water?

Isaac Newton is like science's Jesus. He did not actually exist.
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« Reply #17 on: January 22, 2015, 05:44:44 PM »
Perhaps they don't report these findings for fear of being ridiculed by their peers or loosing their jobs?  If you spend a lifetime being educated and building up your academic standings, would you not think twice if you discovered proof that everything you learned/taught and your entire life work is wrong?
Do you mean like when Newton kept quite when he discovered that everything that he learned about gravity was wrong?  Or when Einstein kept quiet when he discovered that Newton was wrong?  Why do you keep insisting that scientists are all about keeping the status quo when science makes its greatest advances by blowing the status quo out of the water?

Isaac Newton is like science's Jesus. He did not actually exist.
Welcome to a minefield, Vauxy. Religion is a touchy subject in a lot of places.

Do you mean that as there was no Issac Newton or that he was wrong?
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« Reply #18 on: January 22, 2015, 08:08:55 PM »
There was no Isaac Newton. That's what I mean.

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Re: "The Round Earth Conspiracy"
« Reply #19 on: January 25, 2015, 04:55:00 AM »
Scientists do see things that support a Flat Earth all the time. They just call it an "interesting phenomenon" and proceed to make things up to explain it, such as atmospheric ducting or ionospheric reflection.

Look at Over the Horizon Radar. The Flat Earth explanation is that the waves are simply proceeding in a straight line, bouncing off their target, and returning. The Round Earth explanation is an elaborate explanation that the waves are bouncing off of a layer of the atmosphere and the ground, sometimes several times, hitting a body below the horizon, and that the wave somehow retraces its path, bouncing through between the atmosphere and the earth and returning to the receiver around the curvature of the earth, appearing as a discernible image, all without being obliterated by scatter along the way.
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