[Love]

Please do not take this as disrespect as I am glad that your life is coming together and long may it continue, I would like to take issue with your reasoning however (not for the first time).

Swapping internet porn for Andy Williams songs is something we all aspire to, but I think you do yourself a disservice, to make such life changes there must have been the will to change. It would seem to be that in this search for a new direction (coinciding as it did with the discovery of this lunatic internet backwater) you mistook effect for cause.


Take the credit for yourself (and the internal chemical shift engendered by not eating all that sugar and cutting out the dope), carry on questioning the status quo, it’s the spice of life (after Moon river), just don’t be so quick to attribute your success to outside influences (especially Tom Bishop FFS), that’s the religious gene calling.

Good luck with the band and the blood pressure.

Incidentally, since I came here the dog has dug up my lawn, I dislocated my knee, Jon Snow has died and been resurrected and the pound has sunk to record lows due to dumb asses, none of this is attributable to this random bunch of misfits, although I do have my suspicions about the lawn incident and the Masons.

Jura:  You can't hurt me.  No keyboard warrior can hurt me.  No one has ever said anything to me on the internet that made me feel more than minor annoyance for more than a few moments.  I come to sites like this every few weeks to entertain myself.

I think you miss the point of my Andy Williams anecdote.  I think you are smart, by the way.  I think all of you are smart.  But, smart doesn't equal right.  Also, in no way do education, knowledge, talent and aptitude add up to good character.


Yes, I have talents, strengths and aptitudes.  I also love dope and easy sex.  I certainly can be stupid and arrogant. 

5,6 yrs ago I repented and asked Christ to forgive me.  Christ says: " Ask and you will receive.  Seek and you will find. "  I am asking and I am seeking.  I am not finding the answers in materialism.  What I found is flat earth.  I believe in what I can see working before I believe in science and reason.  What works for me is rejecting modern science.  Seeing something work is much more compelling and convincing than any sophistry

You might not have so many problems is you humbled yourself before God.  Suit yourself.  I am not an evangelist.

I love women so much more than men.   I don't care if they like me back.  Be well.

[Love]

Discovering these FES websites hasn't changed my life. But it has been sort of s teaching tool . Examples of how map projections are made and how the distances from the earth to various objects such as the moon have been interesting . I have either brushed up on things I already knew or been enlightend on things I didn't know.
I have also had the opportunity to visit an astronomical observatory,

On the other hand it is really very difficult to understand any reason why some persons would profess to believe that the earth was some flat disc.

And there are some who consider these FES websites as just two more of many "spoof websites" on the Internet.

There  are others who just visit these websites just for the entertainment of the weird ideas from suppposed flat earthers. On the other hand it is really pathetic if flat earthers really profess to believe all of this flat earth nonsense.

I really do believe if you worked in some technical , engineering or scientific line of work you would know - not just believe - that the earth was a globe. If you had  not had the benefit of even an elementary education,  or your work and experience had been in some other field , I think I can understand why you might not be certain of the shape of the earth or even if it was flat and had no interest in learning whether it was "flat" or "round".

Yes, I absolutely agree. The research, both historical and current has firmed up my reasons for quite firmly accepting that the Earth is a Globe orbiting the sun.
I have learned a few surprising things. One of these was that Tycho Brahe's Geocentric model actually matched astronomical observations^[1] better than the Heliocentric model of Copernicus. Copernicus had circular orbits for all five known planets, so his model did not fit observations very well, though still better than the Ptolemaic model.

[1]  They were largely his own observations, but I have absolutely no doubt that he was a perfectly honest meticulous astronomer.

Your reasoning might be indicative of round earth but it is not conclusive of anything.  I do not believe stuff just because it is wrote down in a textbook.  Alluding to expert sources doesn't prove anything.  Long Live Flat Earth!  It hasn't hurt anybody, unlike modern science.

[CableDawg]

Please do not take this as disrespect as I am glad that your life is coming together and long may it continue, I would like to take issue with your reasoning however (not for the first time).

Swapping internet porn for Andy Williams songs is something we all aspire to, but I think you do yourself a disservice, to make such life changes there must have been the will to change. It would seem to be that in this search for a new direction (coinciding as it did with the discovery of this lunatic internet backwater) you mistook effect for cause.


Take the credit for yourself (and the internal chemical shift engendered by not eating all that sugar and cutting out the dope), carry on questioning the status quo, it’s the spice of life (after Moon river), just don’t be so quick to attribute your success to outside influences (especially Tom Bishop FFS), that’s the religious gene calling.

Good luck with the band and the blood pressure.

Incidentally, since I came here the dog has dug up my lawn, I dislocated my knee, Jon Snow has died and been resurrected and the pound has sunk to record lows due to dumb asses, none of this is attributable to this random bunch of misfits, although I do have my suspicions about the lawn incident and the Masons.

Jura:  You can't hurt me.  No keyboard warrior can hurt me.  No one has ever said anything to me on the internet that made me feel more than minor annoyance for more than a few moments.  I come to sites like this every few weeks to entertain myself.

I think you miss the point of my Andy Williams anecdote.  I think you are smart, by the way.  I think all of you are smart.  But, smart doesn't equal right.  Also, in no way do education, knowledge, talent and aptitude add up to good character.


Yes, I have talents, strengths and aptitudes.  I also love dope and easy sex.  I certainly can be stupid and arrogant. 

5,6 yrs ago I repented and asked Christ to forgive me.  Christ says: " Ask and you will receive.  Seek and you will find. "  I am asking and I am seeking.  I am not finding the answers in materialism.  What I found is flat earth.  I believe in what I can see working before I believe in science and reason.  What works for me is rejecting modern science.  Seeing something work is much more compelling and convincing than any sophistry

You might not have so many problems is you humbled yourself before God.  Suit yourself.  I am not an evangelist.

I love women so much more than men.   I don't care if they like me back.  Be well.

First you claim FE changed your life and now you're saying that Christ changed your life.  Which is it?

[CableDawg]

"how difficult it is to change someone's mindset even with irrefutable evidence, "  What do you consider to be irrefutable evidence?  Do you ever consider that you might be wrong?

Extraordinary claims require extraordinary evidence.  A statement/phrase which has been around, in some form, for a few hundred years and made popular in our time by Carl Sagan.

FES and FET make nothing but extraordinary claims backed up by lackluster evidence.  Unlike actual science, FES nor FET offers anything which honestly supports the claims being made and the vast majority of what is offered can't be tested and they won't test that which can be tested.

For all the failures, fits and starts, and accomplishments of science from the time when man first put his mind to the task, even more so from the advent of the scientific method, I will take science any day simply because I can see that science has, through time, made a stepwise progression from ignorance to increased knowledge while it is absolutely clear that those who support and/or promote FET have, at best, stalled at a certain point of knowledge and, at worst, regressed to a point of lesser knowledge.

You are entitled to your opinion.  But that is all it is and it lends no weight to your argument.   There is no shame in being wrong.  There is only shame doing wrong.  I do not know the shape of the Earth and I have never made any claims otherwise.  You are the one with the the point to prove, not me.  And I think you fall well short of eradicating any reasonable doubt.

Science has given evil people the means for wholesale destruction.  People really don't need science to be happy and healthy.  People suffer pain , terror and grief just as much as they ever have.  Lots of scientists and engineers are shysters.  I know because I used to work as an engineer!  In any case, a person isn't believable because they wear a lab coat and have a degree.  Neither do I believe everything I read in textbook.

I can tell you what is more convincing than science and reason: Watching something in you life work whether you understand why or not.

There is no doubt that science has given evil people the means for wholesale destruction.  What's your point?

Religion has given and continues to give evil people reason for wholesale destruction yet you support it.  Why support one and denigrate the other?

People suffer just as much as they always have?  Is this just a matter of numbers?  Since there are more people in the world now than there was 300 years ago it makes sense that, by the numbers, there are more people suffering today.  What's you point with this statement?