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Flat Earth Discussion Boards => Flat Earth Community => Topic started by: Elusive Rabbit on January 28, 2017, 09:18:25 PM
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How do other flat Earthers feel about this incident?
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How do other flat Earthers feel about this incident?
They don't think about it. They don't want to live in a world where either people are killed in pursuit of an unreachable goal, or in a world where the government kills people to keep up their space conspiracy.
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How do other flat Earthers feel about this incident?
They don't think about it. They don't want to live in a world where either people are killed in pursuit of an unreachable goal, or in a world where the government kills people to keep up their space conspiracy.
Can you please quit posting nonsense in the upper fora? You clearly have no understanding of FET, or the motives of its supporters. You are making up some random opinion on a question that wasn't directed at you.
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How do other flat Earthers feel about this incident?
They don't think about it. They don't want to live in a world where either people are killed in pursuit of an unreachable goal, or in a world where the government kills people to keep up their space conspiracy.
Can you please quit posting nonsense in the upper fora? You clearly have no understanding of FET, or the motives of its supporters. You are making up some random opinion on a question that wasn't directed at you.
In some sense, Rekt is correct. I think this is backed up by the lack of posts and replies to this topic. Apathy is a clear winner.
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Prop malfunction.
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Prop malfunction.
What a disgusting way to pass off the deaths of seven people, just because your closed mind can't accept the truth.
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Prop malfunction.
What a disgusting way to pass off the deaths of seven people, just because your closed mind can't accept the truth.
I'm pretty sure that independent people also found pieces of Challenger.
http://www.nytimes.com/1996/12/18/us/challenger-parts-wash-ashore-almost-11-years-after-explosion.html (http://www.nytimes.com/1996/12/18/us/challenger-parts-wash-ashore-almost-11-years-after-explosion.html)
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Prop malfunction.
What a disgusting way to pass off the deaths of seven people, just because your closed mind can't accept the truth.
I'm pretty sure that independent people also found pieces of Challenger.
http://www.nytimes.com/1996/12/18/us/challenger-parts-wash-ashore-almost-11-years-after-explosion.html (http://www.nytimes.com/1996/12/18/us/challenger-parts-wash-ashore-almost-11-years-after-explosion.html)
They found pieces of a prop.
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Prop malfunction.
They found pieces of a prop.
... he said confidently, without evidence, thereby accusing an entire industry of pulling off a flawless stunt involving thousands of people, without leaks, for weakly justified reasons.
Edit: Speaking of stunts, care to comment on this thread (http://forum.tfes.org/index.php?topic=5431.0) that you are still conspicuously ignoring?
Edit edit: obviously not flawless, since it malfunctioned. derp.
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Why would it have to involve thousands of people? You don't think that's an enormous exaggeration?
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Why would it have to involve thousands of people? You don't think that's an enormous exaggeration?
Perhaps. It was mostly just a guess. There were certainly thousands that worked on building the shuttle or managing its missions. Design and manufacturing, software, mission planning, communications, management...
It would take quite a bit of research to narrow it down to the minimum number required to run such a conspiracy. I suspect it would be hundreds at the minimum, but more likely in the thousands. But like I said, it's just a guess.
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Prop malfunction.
What a disgusting way to pass off the deaths of seven people, just because your closed mind can't accept the truth.
I'm pretty sure that independent people also found pieces of Challenger.
http://www.nytimes.com/1996/12/18/us/challenger-parts-wash-ashore-almost-11-years-after-explosion.html (http://www.nytimes.com/1996/12/18/us/challenger-parts-wash-ashore-almost-11-years-after-explosion.html)
They found pieces of a prop.
So you're ACTUALLY telling me that they made an ACTUAL shuttle that COULD FLY....... but it was just a prop..... that malfunctioned? Okay. Assuming that you're correct, I'll look at this from your perspective. They spent millions of dollars on fake math and engineering to find what a spacecraft should look like and do on a spherical earth. They spent more on fake math of how the orbits would work, and then published all of this completely useless math that works on a round earth that doesn't exist. So they've already invented an entire new planet, reality, and several new types of math, along with inventing quite a few new laws of physics. They then build on this by making several hugely expensive rockets, many of which fail on launch, just to.... hit the dome? They then recruit astronauts, brainwash them or whatever, and send them somewhere and back down, either tricking them or keeping them quiet. They continue to send up more and more complex rockets, again publishing huge volumes of work, all of which checks out flawlessly, all with the assumption of the globe earth, also publishing limited amounts of pictures and videos and broadcasting them live. They then go on the Apollo Program, hiding the astronauts somewhere (They got in the rocket, they didn't get out, it launched and nothing came down but parts that hit the ocean), for several days, sending back hundreds of pictures of our moon, then they fake a landing there (They would need some kind of.... zero gravity chamber?..... to simulate the movement of the dust in the videos and there is too much footage for a plane in a parabolic arc) They then get their funding lowered due to Vietnam and low public interest, and start to work on the shuttle "Prop", which can obviously fly, as many have seen, and caries a fuckton of fuel, so it's going SOMEWHERE. They continue through test flights, not any great accomplishments, but the shuttle does its job, and it does it well. You then have the Colombia disaster, where Shuttle Columbia disintegrates over Texas, after re-entering with a loose heat shield. (No idea what the flat earthers think about how this happened) You start building the International Space Station (That's an argument for another day), and then you lose Challenger, shortly after liftoff. The shuttle program gets shut down a bit later, and now they're going to space courtesy of the Russians, with unmanned probes being launched every so often, and returning a lot of data (Let me guess, they just INVENTED unique characteristics for every planet). SO for this conspiracy to work you need the government of every country to collaborate, you need somewhere to put the Apollo astronauts for a few days, as radar would detect any return, you need to somehow keep International Space Station astronauts in the sky for months when space doesn't exist, and invent an entire new reality and make several books worth of calculations based on it. That's a bit..... far fetched, to say the least.
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(http://www.newswatch.org/images/challenger_flight_crew.jpg)
Bonus Question: does anyone know what color Christa McAuliffe's eyes were?
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(http://www.newswatch.org/images/challenger_flight_crew.jpg)
Congrats at finding some lookalikes? Top right woman and bottom left guy don't even look much like their doppleganger. The others are plausible given the ageing, but its hardly convincing. Did you bother looking up the history of the dopplegangers?
Bonus Question: does anyone know what color Christa McAuliffe's eyes were?
You've stumped me!
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It's interesting that several of those people have the same or similar names as their Challenger doppelgangers.
Source: https://fellowshipoftheminds.com/2015/04/30/are-the-crew-members-of-1986-space-shuttle-challenger-still-alive/
(https://fellowshipofminds.files.wordpress.com/2015/04/richard-scobee.jpg)
(https://fellowshipofminds.files.wordpress.com/2015/04/michael_j_smith_compared.jpg)
(https://fellowshipofminds.files.wordpress.com/2015/04/ronald-mcnair.jpg?w=500&h=303)
(https://fellowshipofminds.files.wordpress.com/2015/04/ellison-and-claude-onizuka.jpg)
(https://fellowshipofminds.files.wordpress.com/2015/04/judith-resniks15.jpg?w=500&h=279)
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Notice the upper lip of the Judith Resnik woman:
(https://fellowshipofminds.files.wordpress.com/2015/04/judith-resniks2.jpg?w=500&h=236)
Also compare the voice and tone of the astronaut Judith Resniks and the professor Judith Resniks:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0DYro3HWeZM
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It's interesting that several of those people have the same or similar names as their Challenger doppelgangers.
Source: https://fellowshipoftheminds.com/2015/04/30/are-the-crew-members-of-1986-space-shuttle-challenger-still-alive/
(https://fellowshipofminds.files.wordpress.com/2015/04/richard-scobee.jpg)
(https://fellowshipofminds.files.wordpress.com/2015/04/michael_j_smith_compared.jpg)
(https://fellowshipofminds.files.wordpress.com/2015/04/ronald-mcnair.jpg?w=500&h=303)
(https://fellowshipofminds.files.wordpress.com/2015/04/ellison-and-claude-onizuka.jpg)
(https://fellowshipofminds.files.wordpress.com/2015/04/judith-resniks15.jpg?w=500&h=279)
2 of them are pictures of their brothers. Lol. Surprise, surprise, brothers look alike.
And yes, there are hundreds of millions of people in this country. There are many instances of people with the same name with vaguely similar looks. On numerous occasions, I have looked up people on facebook by name, clicked on a profile picture that I thought was of them, only to realize that I had the wrong person after looking at their profile details.
The entire premise of this is ridiculous. Do you honestly believe that if NASA really faked their deaths, they would let them keep their old names? Or that they would make them assume the lives of their brothers without anyone noticing?
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2 of them are pictures of their brothers. Lol. Surprise, surprise, brothers look alike.
Plausible, but adult brothers of the same parents usually look different, not identical.
The entire premise of this is ridiculous. Do you honestly believe that if NASA really faked their deaths, they would let them keep their old names? Or that they would make them assume the lives of their brothers without anyone noticing?
The disaster happened on Jan 28th, 1986, long before the internet took off. They may have moved the astronauts to a new city and thought that would be enough. The internet was still very early and mostly in text only stage, and this kind of independent investigation may not have been forseen.
The Judith Resnik women are definitely the same woman.
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2 of them are pictures of their brothers. Lol. Surprise, surprise, brothers look alike.
Plausible, but adult brothers of the same parents usually look different, not identical.
Right, and you are making that call based on a 30 year timelapse between the photos? Lol. You are seeing what you want to see.
The entire premise of this is ridiculous. Do you honestly believe that if NASA really faked their deaths, they would let them keep their old names? Or that they would make them assume the lives of their brothers without anyone noticing?
The disaster happened on Jan 28th, 1986, long before the internet took off. They may have moved the astronauts to a new city and thought that would be enough. The internet was still very early and mostly in text only stage, and this kind of independent investigation may not have been forseen.
Newspapers and TV's were a thing back then. This event was all over the news. Their names and faces were all over the news.
The Judith Resnik women are definitely the same woman.
Like I said, you are seeing what you want to see. Their voices definitely don't sound alike. Finding a picture of them making a similar facial expression is not particularly convincing.
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You've stumped me!
Blue. One blew this way, one blew that way.
Too soon? lol ;D
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Right, and you are making that call based on a 30 year timelapse between the photos? Lol. You are seeing what you want to see.
Towards the end of my source article (https://fellowshipoftheminds.com/2015/04/30/are-the-crew-members-of-1986-space-shuttle-challenger-still-alive/) the author attempts to look for birth records of those brothers on Ancestry.com, the most comprehensive genealogy website in the US, and found no records of their birth.
Newspapers and TV's were a thing back then. This event was all over the news. Their names and faces were all over the news.
Yes, but no one was really looking for them, and trust in NASA was through the roof. They may have had them lie low for a while, and figured that everything would be okay. No one said that NASA was very good at this.
Like I said, you are seeing what you want to see. Their voices definitely don't sound alike. Finding a picture of them making a similar facial expression is not particularly convincing.
This isn't just passing resemblance here. They are twins right down to that odd lip dip thing she has going on.
They have the same name, they look alike, and have the same facial ticks. It's more than mere chance coincidence.
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You've stumped me!
Blue. One blew this way, one blew that way.
Too soon? lol ;D
Wow. Dark...
(◐‿O) ~◑
Newspapers and TV's were a thing back then. This event was all over the news. Their names and faces were all over the news.
Yes, but no one was really looking for them, and trust in NASA was through the roof. They may have had them lie low for a while, and figured that everything would be okay. No one said that NASA was very good at this.
So good that they managed to pull off a massive conspiracy without being caught, but so incompetent that they would let the people whose deaths they faked just walk out and live public lives without changing their names or appearances? Lol, ok...
And "lie low"? Richard Scobee was a CEO even before disaster happened (https://www.linkedin.com/in/richard-scobee-23875418)!
Like I said, you are seeing what you want to see. Their voices definitely don't sound alike. Finding a picture of them making a similar facial expression is not particularly convincing.
This isn't just passing resemblance here. They are twins right down to that odd lip dip thing she has going on.
They have the same name, they look alike, and have the same facial ticks. It's more than mere chance coincidence.
Reznik is one of the ones that I originally said looks the LEAST like her doppleganger. I repeat, you are seeing what you want to see.
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So good that they managed to pull off a massive conspiracy without being caught, but so incompetent that they would let the people whose deaths they faked just walk out and live public lives without changing their names or appearances? Lol, ok...
Again, in 1986 the internet was barely an email and bulletin board system, no one had any idea what it could become. None of this would have been discoverable back then at all. The technology of today was unimaginable. People were more anonymous back then. Simple instructions like move to another city and work in a different field may have seemed sufficient to an organization who had never really done this before. They may have even offered to pay to send them back to school.
And "lie low"? Richard Scobee was a CEO even before disaster happened (https://www.linkedin.com/in/richard-scobee-23875418)!
Did you think he would list "Dead Astronaut" on his bio?
Notice how he does not list the date of graduation from his university.
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So good that they managed to pull off a massive conspiracy without being caught, but so incompetent that they would let the people whose deaths they faked just walk out and live public lives without changing their names or appearances? Lol, ok...
Again, in 1986 the internet was barely an email and bulletin board system, no one had any idea what it could become. None of this would have been discoverable back then at all. People were more anonymous back then. Simple instructions like move to another city and work in a different field may have seemed sufficient to an organization who had never really done this before. They may have even offered to pay to send them back to school.
Which is why witness protection never bothered changing people's names either... oh wait. They did.
I noticed you deleted some stuff questioning Judith Reznik's past. In case you are still curious...
https://www.law.yale.edu/judith-resnik (https://www.law.yale.edu/judith-resnik)
https://www.law.yale.edu/system/files/documents/pdf/JResnik_Publications.pdf (https://www.law.yale.edu/system/files/documents/pdf/JResnik_Publications.pdf)
There are multiple publications from before the Challenger disaster. Apparently Yale is now a part of the conspiracy too?
And "lie low"? Richard Scobee was a CEO even before disaster happened (https://www.linkedin.com/in/richard-scobee-23875418)!
Did you think he would list "Dead Astronaut" on his bio?
Notice how he does not list the date of graduation from his university.
"Hey, what should my back story be?"
"Pretend to be a CEO. That should be easy to get away with!"
"Brilliant!"
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Which is why witness protection never bothered changing people's names either... oh wait. They did.
That would involve convincing other federal agencies to join in on your scam. Sounds risky.
I noticed you deleted some stuff questioning Judith Reznik's past. In case you are still curious...
https://www.law.yale.edu/judith-resnik (https://www.law.yale.edu/judith-resnik)
https://www.law.yale.edu/system/files/documents/pdf/JResnik_Publications.pdf (https://www.law.yale.edu/system/files/documents/pdf/JResnik_Publications.pdf)
She wrote and dated all of that herself. But it appears that most of her career achievements took place after 2000. Pretty late for an old lady like that.
"Hey, what should my back story be?"
"Pretend to be a CEO. That should be easy to get away with!"
"Brilliant!"
He went back to school for an MBA. If he was as ambitious as he was in his past life, it follows that he would be a CEO in his new one.
These dead astronauts were reckless and ambitious and achieved too much. Now their pictures are plastered all over the internet.
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Which is why witness protection never bothered changing people's names either... oh wait. They did.
That would involve convincing other federal agencies to join in on your scam. Sounds risky.
Bahahahaa! This makes zero since. So they are still operating under their old SSN? And that's not riskier than trying to get their name changed? Or did they get them a new SSN, forge a work history, family history, but decided "nah, let them keep their old name"? Lol.
Alright, that's all the stupid I can handle for today...
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Bahahahaa! This makes zero since. So they are still operating under their old SSN? And that's not riskier than trying to get their name changed? Or did they get them a new SSN, forge a work history, family history, but decided "nah, let them keep their old name"? Lol.
Alright, that's all the stupid I can handle for today...
The author of the article exposing the astronauts notes that he searched ancestry.com for SSDI death records for several astronauts and they were not found. A later update towards the bottom in May of 2015 he says that he was suddenly able to find SSDI records for the astronauts on Ancestry and hints at the possibility of the government modifying the SSDI records similar to another case.
Presumably the government did not file proper death records until people started to investigate this matter and they had to sound the alarms and cover up their sloppy mistakes, just as they have tried to cover up so many other mistakes.
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The only thing that doesn't add up is why exactly they would want to do this? What agenda would be worthy of this major black eye?
New World Order George was in office so who knows, possibly could have been just a distraction for something even more shadowy and conspiratorial
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There's again no motive. Why would they fake a failure?
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There's again no motive. Why would they fake a failure?
The motive is covering up a prop malfunction.
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There's again no motive. Why would they fake a failure?
The motive is covering up a prop malfunction.
But why wouldn't they just cover up that there was any failure at all?
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There's again no motive. Why would they fake a failure?
The motive is covering up a prop malfunction.
But why wouldn't they just cover up that there was any failure at all?
Millions of people saw an alleged space ship full of people blow up spectacularly on live TV. They had to do something about that.
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There's again no motive. Why would they fake a failure?
The motive is covering up a prop malfunction.
But why wouldn't they just cover up that there was any failure at all?
Millions of people saw an alleged space ship full of people blow up spectacularly on live TV. They had to do something about that.
NASA is good, but you would need Jedi Mind Tricks or the Flashy Pen from MIB to cover that up lol
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There's again no motive. Why would they fake a failure?
The motive is covering up a prop malfunction.
But why wouldn't they just cover up that there was any failure at all?
Millions of people saw an alleged space ship full of people blow up spectacularly on live TV. They had to do something about that.
But couldn't they have just made a fake segment to show to the TV companies? Why would they have a REAL prop that ALSO could blow up?
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Keep in mind, we still haven't been shown any good evidence that it was a cover-up in the first place. Is the existence of a few lookalikes really the only "evidence" that you have? In the spirit of the season: Sad! Weak! Terrible!
But couldn't they have just made a fake segment to show to the TV companies? Why would they have a REAL prop that ALSO could blow up?
Lot's of people saw it live. Even if you were nowhere near the launch site, you could see the plume of smoke from miles and miles away.
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Keep in mind, we still haven't been shown any good evidence that it was a cover-up in the first place. Is the existence of a few lookalikes really the only "evidence" that you have? In the spirit of the season: Sad! Weak! Terrible!
Because identical doppelgangers with the same name are so common?
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Keep in mind, we still haven't been shown any good evidence that it was a cover-up in the first place. Is the existence of a few lookalikes really the only "evidence" that you have? In the spirit of the season: Sad! Weak! Terrible!
Because identical doppelgangers with the same name are so common?
Yes. Allow me to introduce you to...
Dr. Lloyd Thomas "Tom" Bishop. RIP. (http://www.jonesfh.org/obituary?id=215440)
(http://manage.directorsadvantage.net/uploads/obit_pics_2015/201511270848drbishopthomaspic.jpg)
Tom Bishop. (https://mapoflondon.uvic.ca/pedagogical_partnership.htm)
(https://mapoflondon.uvic.ca/graphics/pedagogical_partners/tom_bishop_cropped-003.jpg)
I found these in about 30 seconds with a google image search. Your argument is dumb.
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Keep in mind, we still haven't been shown any good evidence that it was a cover-up in the first place. Is the existence of a few lookalikes really the only "evidence" that you have? In the spirit of the season: Sad! Weak! Terrible!
Because identical doppelgangers with the same name are so common?
Yes. Allow me to introduce you to...
Dr. Lloyd Thomas "Tom" Bishop. RIP. (http://www.jonesfh.org/obituary?id=215440)
(http://manage.directorsadvantage.net/uploads/obit_pics_2015/201511270848drbishopthomaspic.jpg)
Tom Bishop. (https://mapoflondon.uvic.ca/pedagogical_partnership.htm)
(https://mapoflondon.uvic.ca/graphics/pedagogical_partners/tom_bishop_cropped-003.jpg)
I found these in about 30 seconds with a google image search. Your argument is dumb.
Hardly identical. But how do we even know if Tom's real name is even Tom or that Tom's, or whoever he really is's, picture is really a picture of a Tom named Tom Bishop? Not to mention, how did he get younger before he died? Have we found the real reptilian?
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Yes, hardly identical. One guy has blue eyes and straight teeth and the other guy has brown eyes and a gap in his teeth.
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Hardly identical.
Imagine them with glasses and a derpy frown. Not identical, but about as close as the Challenger lookalikes.
Yes, hardly identical. One guy has blue eyes and straight teeth and the other guy has brown eyes and a gap in his teeth.
Funny that you only bring up the teeth discrepancy now. (See: McNair, McAuliffe)
But how do we even know if Tom's real name is even Tom or that Tom's, or whoever he really is's, picture is really a picture of a Tom named Tom Bishop? Not to mention, how did he get younger before he died? Have we found the real reptilian?
I think you are missing the point.
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But how do we even know if Tom's real name is even Tom or that Tom's, or whoever he really is's, picture is really a picture of a Tom named Tom Bishop? Not to mention, how did he get younger before he died? Have we found the real reptilian?
I think you are missing the point.
If you showed me a picture of some other Tom Bishop 30 years from now, aged exactly as you'd expect a 50 year young stud like our Tom Bishop to age, then I'd think you had a point.
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Imagine them with glasses and a derpy frown. Not identical, but about as close as the Challenger lookalikes.
I thought the Upper Fora was a place where the concept of intellectual and philosophical honesty were to be held sacred.
And then I read this portion of your post in this thread and was immediately dispelled of that notion.
Even you cannot make this claim in a serious fashion.
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But how do we even know if Tom's real name is even Tom or that Tom's, or whoever he really is's, picture is really a picture of a Tom named Tom Bishop? Not to mention, how did he get younger before he died? Have we found the real reptilian?
I think you are missing the point.
If you showed me a picture of some other Tom Bishop 30 years from now, aged exactly as you'd expect a 50 year young stud like our Tom Bishop to age, then I'd think you had a point.
The point is that given any combination of name and face, there is a decent chance of finding a similarly named lookalike (assuming their name isn't too rare and matches their ethnicity). It took me about 30 seconds to find TWO. If you want an example with a 30 year age difference, you would need to start with someone much younger than Tom Bishop, since there just aren't many people in their 80s - 90s.
Unfortunately, lacking proper training or good recognition software, this a subjective. You are just going to keep insisting that any example I provide isn't close enough, while exaggerating the identicalness of the Challenger lookalikes.