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I was alluding to a much scaled down experiment perhaps under lab conditions. Take a 'large enough mass' of clayey earth for example maybe weighing a few kilos, mould it into an unorthodox shape, subject it to magnetism or gravity (or both - one at a time); and moisture and heat and light and generally 'age' it and watch it collapse into a sphere. It shouldn't take long for something that size. Or is a specific minimum size of 'large enough mass' required if so what is that size?
I can't see it happening for some reason. But there must be some evidence to show that this has happened in the past - however as it cannot be replicated then the theory might take some proving.


Just get a bar magnet and some iron filings and see how they arrange themselves.

It would be difficult to do with gravity as a "large enough mass" would have to be around 400-600 km and it would still take thousands, if not tens of thousands of years.

Am not sure that a magnetic and some iron filings demonstrates/proves the large-mass-becomes-sphere theory.
But surely its all relative. And the timescale of tens of thousands of years for a large mass to become a sphere would be much reduced for a very small mass surely? Or is there a minimum definitive size of mass which only above this the sphere theory works? If so what is that 'size'? If the theory has been tested, peer-reviewed, accepted by (and everything else that goes with proving such things) by science that shouldn't be a difficult one to answer.

It depends on what the object is made from

Here's a good paper on the subject http://arxiv.org/ftp/arxiv/papers/1004/1004.1091.pdf
The term used us hydrostatic equilibrium. As gravity pulls equally in every direction it will naturally attempt to pull things into an object where the mass is equally distributed from the centre of mass (a sphere). But depending on the material the object is, it's own integrity will try and resist the change. We can see this when we look at asteroids and moons as the paper shows in its diagrams. Below a certain size they will be more lumpy and potato shaped, but as they get larger the more rounder they are. The maths given are how this is calculated and the verification is observing the different sized bodies in the solar system.

Think of a thought experiment to explain why not just any body will turn into a sphere. Take a cardboard box and place a weight in it. The box is unlikely to collapse in any given timeframe. We add the same sized box with a weight in on top. Unless they are very poorly made your stack should be fine. But if we keep going eventually we will reach a trigger point. The weight constantly increasing is balancing against the strength of the boxes which is fixed. When the weight gets too much a crush begins. In our example you'll end up with a big pile of boxes, but in space with nothing to act on them you'll get a cloud. Keep adding boxes, they'll all be attracted to one another and with pressure on every side with enough you'll end up with a sphere!

Thank you. Very interesting. Also interesting was the article in the link you provided. In particular the galactic disk M104. And a thought came to mind; If this 'flat' galaxy was being 'pulled' together by a central force (magnetic, anti-gravity or something else) might it be possible for the constituent parts (of the galaxy) to form a complete disk? And even if this was just remotely possible could this therefore suggest how a flat as opposed to global earth was formed? Is there anything to dispel this for example?

Not really a comprehensive, in depth explanation, but a good primer of what we think we know to date:

Why Are Galaxies Flat?

In Summary
- Galaxies are flat because of the conservation of angular momentum.
- Flat galaxies are usually spiral galaxies.
- Our solar system is also flat because of the conservation of angular momentum. Past Neptune, our solar system ceases to be flat.
- Elliptical galaxies are not flat and lean more towards a spherical shape.
- The Milky Way was probably flat at one time, but currently, it is warped because of some unknown force.

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Technology & Information / Re: Ask Rushy about Bitcoins.
« on: December 02, 2022, 12:30:30 AM »
1 bitcoin is worth over 210,000 NOK (around 21,560 USD) and it increases in price because of interest if you keep it in the bank or whatever.
Gold increases in price too but 1 ounce is worth less than a bitcoin.
It would be better to buy 1 bitcoin instead of gold in my opinion.

You just lost $4500...


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Philosophy, Religion & Society / Re: B Flat with Ralphy
« on: December 02, 2022, 12:14:33 AM »
Peddling motivational speakers now? Did you drop 750 quid on a 1-1 session with this guy?


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Philosophy, Religion & Society / Re: Died Suddenly
« on: November 29, 2022, 10:18:19 AM »
It's not possible to measure vaccine side effects by simply Googling news reports. As Dr Frank Han, a US cardiologist says, it can "give you pieces of the puzzle, but actual medical training is necessary to link all the pieces of how the body works together".
Long stretches of the film involve gruesome images of clots being pulled out of bodies, designed to suggest Covid vaccines are having alarming effects.
When people feel afraid or disgusted they might be more likely to leap to conclusions. But these images can't tell us anything on their own.
Firstly, they are mostly based on the testimony of one embalmer with no indication this is a wider concern.
And, Dr Han explains, it's "insufficient to establish why the clots are there".
Blood clots are commonly found in dead bodies and are caused by a range of things from smoking to being bed-bound to having Covid-19.


You like experts, right? Well I think I'll go with a Doctor over an embalmer.

Although the voiceover claims the data is from Waterloo, Canada, genuine data from Ontario, the province Waterloo is part of, has not seen any increase in stillbirths, according to Dr Victoria Male, a reproductive immunologist.

Hmmm, perhaps a false claim?

The film flashes through dozens of upsetting news reports and images of people collapsing.

One headline reads: "My kind, compassionate son died unexpectedly." Another clip shows a young athlete dramatically keeling over.
Together, this can easily be used to paint an alarming picture of something suspicious going on.
Yet just a couple more clicks would reveal the son in question died in a car crash. And the athlete, college basketball player Keyontae Johnson, collapsed in December 2020 before he could even have had a Covid vaccine. He didn't die suddenly as the title suggests - he returned to the court last week.


Hmm, yet more false claims? Kinda gives the impression that the producers of the 'buy gold NOW" documentary aren't entirely concerned with the truth or facts.

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Philosophy, Religion & Society / Re: Died Suddenly
« on: November 28, 2022, 08:50:47 PM »
No attempt is made to study the original claims and determine if there are more than usual, or if embalmers are claiming more difficulty in embalming bodies as claimed in the film.

Embalmers Do Not Know Vaccination Status

Richard Hirschman makes a point of stating that he started tracking in November 2021 how many times he finds strange clots in the bodies he embalms, and their vaccination status.

He even coloured coded his data, using green for people who were verified to be vaccinated. In this screenshot, you can see that he even remarked that one of them was vaccinated 4 times.

How did Hirschman know they were vaccinated? The death certificate does not list the deceased’s vaccination status. An embalmer also wouldn’t have access to the deceased’s medical records.

He would have to personally ask the family members of the deceased about his/her vaccination status, which he never alluded to. As Ben Schmidt (Ben Schmidt, a funeral director and embalmer with a bachelor’s degree in natural science) explains:


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It would also be extremely unusual for an embalmer to know someone’s medical history unless they were closely related to the deceased person. It has been my experience that embalming often takes place before a specific cause of death is communicated to the embalmer let alone their vaccination records.

Most Of His Own Data Not Linked To Vaccination

Even if you take his word for it that he somehow knew the vaccination status of the dead bodies, his own data showed that they accounted for only 16 out of about 118 dead bodies.

So why did he include the other 102 bodies whose COVID-19 vaccination status he did not know?


Plus a ton more actual medical information regarding blood clots in post-mortem setting, effects of embalming, cold storage, etc. Emphasis on actual medical information.

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Philosophy, Religion & Society / Re: Died Suddenly
« on: November 28, 2022, 01:50:49 AM »
"Sixty-seven percent of people who get the vaccine while pregnant lose the pregnancy"

Really? From where is this stat coming from?

"the contents of the leaked email are consistent with the findings of more than 1,300 peer-reviewed papers that have been published in the last 15 months."

Really? 1,300? That's a lot of papers, let alone a lot peer reviewing. With so many, how come not a single one is cited? With 1,300 of them, how come I can't find a single one?

I did find this actual study from the American Journal of Obstetrics and Gynecology
Available online 3 November 2022:

Reductions in stillbirths and preterm birth in COVID-19 vaccinated women: a multi-center cohort study of vaccination uptake and perinatal outcomes
Abstract:
COVID-19 infection in pregnancy is associated with a higher risk of progression to severe disease, but vaccine uptake by pregnant women is hindered by persistent safety concerns.
Conclusions:
COVID-19 vaccination during pregnancy was associated with a reduction in stillbirth and preterm birth, and not associated with any adverse impacts on fetal growth or development.

Do you just fall for this stuff blindly or do you actually look into these things and see if they are valid or not?

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Flat Earth Theory / Re: What do you think about this map?
« on: November 27, 2022, 09:36:53 PM »
Map origin...

The World Beyond the Ice Wall 2.0

  A little over a year ago, I had made a fantasy world map based on <u><b><a href="www.reddit.com/r/MapPorn/comme…">this flat earth map</a></b></u>, which I have yet to track down the original creator of:

    Yes, the original map seems to be made a flat earther, showcasing a model of the earth some flat earthers ascribe to: that beyond Antarctica, which acts as a sort of barrier surrounding the known world, there are many vast undiscovered continents, which are habitable and rich with life, there could even be multiple barriers, concentric rings of glaciers which lie at the edges of their sun’s light.

    Lets disregard the sheer absurdity of actually believing that our world is like this for a moment, and instead treat it as a fictional setting. Isn't this idea totally fascinating? Just think of the possibilities for fantasy stories, alternate history, speculative evolution and all the in-depth worldbuilding that could be done here! That’s what inspired me to make the enhanced version I put out last year.

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Philosophy, Religion & Society / Re: Died Suddenly
« on: November 26, 2022, 08:37:01 PM »
"Prepareforchange dot whatever"... is part of the Sisterhood of the Rose and somehow associated with some guru named Cobra:

What is the Prepare for Change Network?
A global network of Event Support and Sisterhood of the Rose Groups has formed out of the participants who joined through the website.


At inception the website invited other followers of Cobra to join the Network and Groups to Prepare for the Event and help create the New Society.

Basically some sort of Qanon-esque wannabe.

All you have to do is listen to the first 30 seconds of this whacko galactic age of Aquarius portal discussion with "Cobra" and to get the drift just how insane this group is and how ridiculous their "articles" are...



Here's Cobra's site with an opening blog post excerpt from a few days ago. Beware...

http://2012portal.blogspot.com/

There was a huge escalation between the Chimera group and the Light Forces on October 15th, and extraordinary measures were taken. The situation was spiraling out of control, and since the Light Forces around the Earth could not contain the situation anymore, urgent reinforcements from Andromeda galaxy who are experts in dealing with the Chimera group sprang into action.

Yep, totally legit...C'mon J-Man, seriously? How do you find this nonsense?

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Flat Earth Theory / Re: Wiki on aviation
« on: November 26, 2022, 10:22:29 AM »
They have never convinced even one flat earther to believe the Lies.

Not one flat earther has convinced a glober that the Earth is flat. Touche.

No one has seen the curvature of the earth.

Au contraire mon frère...Capt. James T Kirk has...

In this exclusive excerpt from William Shatner’s new book, “Boldly Go: Reflections on a Life of Awe and Wonder,” the “Star Trek” actor reflects on his voyage into space on Jeff Bezos’ Blue Origin space shuttle on Oct. 13, 2021.

"I saw a cold, dark, black emptiness. It was unlike any blackness you can see or feel on Earth. It was deep, enveloping, all-encompassing. I turned back toward the light of home. I could see the curvature of Earth, the beige of the desert, the white of the clouds and the blue of the sky. It was life. Nurturing, sustaining, life. Mother Earth. Gaia. And I was leaving her."
    - William Shatner

Thats obviously conclusive then he is obviously having flashbacks to an earlier life.  :D ;D :D :D


Conceivable.

On a similar note it amazes me how many globalists refer to the sun as 'rising' and 'setting' in the sky. Sorry to spoil the party but scientifically it doesn't rise or set. According to you we orbit it therefore it cannot 'rise'.

Don't worry, we globalists are well aware of this. However, technically, you're quite a bit off. Sunsets and sunrises are due to the Earth's rotation on its axis - Every 24 hours...Not our orbit around the sun.

From a frame of reference for humans, it appears that the Sun is rising up from below the horizon. Would it make you more comfortable if instead of saying,  "I'll meet you at sunset" would you rather we say, "I'll meet you when the globe has rotated to the extent that we have spun just far enough around so that at our location the Earth is about to obscure the suns rays from shining on us"?

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Flat Earth Theory / Re: Wiki on aviation
« on: November 26, 2022, 09:45:37 AM »
They have never convinced even one flat earther to believe the Lies.

Not one flat earther has convinced a glober that the Earth is flat. Touche.

No one has seen the curvature of the earth.

Au contraire mon frère...Capt. James T Kirk has...

In this exclusive excerpt from William Shatner’s new book, “Boldly Go: Reflections on a Life of Awe and Wonder,” the “Star Trek” actor reflects on his voyage into space on Jeff Bezos’ Blue Origin space shuttle on Oct. 13, 2021.

"I saw a cold, dark, black emptiness. It was unlike any blackness you can see or feel on Earth. It was deep, enveloping, all-encompassing. I turned back toward the light of home. I could see the curvature of Earth, the beige of the desert, the white of the clouds and the blue of the sky. It was life. Nurturing, sustaining, life. Mother Earth. Gaia. And I was leaving her."
    - William Shatner


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Philosophy, Religion & Society / Re: Died Suddenly
« on: November 26, 2022, 05:58:51 AM »
I guess Stew Peters is going to make a bunch of money with his video advertisement for his "buy Gold" pamphlets disguised as an actual fact based "documentary". Just shows a sucker is born everyday - A modern day snake oil salesman he is.

Buy some gold from him and protect yourself from the NWO population control death panel cabal. Seems totally rational.

Seeing as almost every major media outlet has advertisements, this is a rather poor argument. It appears that you do not actually have a legitimate argument.

Now for the legit argument from McGill University:

The Anti-Vaccine Documentary Died Suddenly Wants You to Feel, Not Think

Members of the anti-vaccination movement and of its media arm excel at portraying themselves as “those who care.” The rest of us—scientists, doctors, politicians, journalists—are represented as either apathetic or simply evil. The latest “documentary” to emerge from this movement, Died Suddenly, is an exercise in reframing compassion. It also represents the apogee of conspiritualist ideas, where grand conspiracy theories surrounding vaccines are painted on a canvas so large, they involve a Biblical war between the forces of absolute good and those of pure evil.

Who are portrayed as ringing the alarm for Armageddon in Died Suddenly? Embalmers.


The documentary’s smoking gun is the alleged discovery of long, white, fibrous clots in the deceased bodies of people who, we are told, got vaccinated against COVID-19. Sometimes, their blood also looks dirty, like it contains coffee grounds. This claim seems to have originated from Richard Hirschman, an embalmer in Alabama, who spoke about it to The Epoch Times, a frequent vehicle for misinformation and grand conspiracy theories. Hirschman and a few other embalmers testify to their findings in Died Suddenly, with some being blurred out, their voices altered, like they are sharing secrets so damning they’re about to be shipped to their local witness protection program.

The problem is that embalmers and funeral directors are not medical professionals. Don’t take it from me, but from the National Funeral Directors Association in the United States, whose representative told me as much, and from Ben Schmidt, a funeral director and embalmer with a bachelor’s degree in natural science. Schmidt wrote a detailed explanation of what is happening here. Clots can easily form after death, as the liquid and solid parts of blood separate and as formaldehyde and calcium-containing water used in the embalming process catalyze clotting. Refrigeration can also be to blame, especially when a rapid influx of bodies due to COVID necessitates longer stays in the cooler as embalmers make their way through their backlog.


The article goes on to explain...

As anatomical pathology specialist Irene Sansano told a fact-checking website, the clots shown by Hirschman do not look different from the ones pathologists regularly see in blood clot autopsies at the hospital.

But if the sight of strings of clotted material isn’t scary enough, Died Suddenly is willing to make its title even more manifest by showing us rapid-fire montages of people fainting and seemingly dropping dead. Out of context, these videos are distressing. However, The Real Truther account on Twitter has demonstrated that many of them are not what they seem. The woman who passes out and falls into a moving train? Her name is Candela. She fainted because of low blood pressure and survived with a fractured skull. That young basketball player who collapses on the court? His name is Keyontae Johnson, and his fainting took place on December 12, 2020, before the COVID-19 vaccines were readily available. He has since been medically cleared to play and recently signed with Kansas State. These people are not dead. To borrow a phrase from the conspiracy playbook, we have been lied to.


The video is just fear mongering garbage to scare retirees into buying gold to stave off the non-existent evil NWO cabal that lurks among the coastal elite establishment. That's all it is. Garbage.

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Philosophy, Religion & Society / Re: Died Suddenly
« on: November 26, 2022, 12:09:10 AM »
I guess Stew Peters is going to make a bunch of money with his video advertisement for his "buy Gold" pamphlets disguised as an actual fact based "documentary". Just shows a sucker is born everyday - A modern day snake oil salesman he is.

Buy some gold from him and protect yourself from the NWO population control death panel cabal. Seems totally rational.

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Flat Earth Theory / Re: Wiki on aviation
« on: November 24, 2022, 02:50:37 PM »
Off the top of my head, things that can negatively or positively affect flight times:
- Weather, re-routing around, jetstreams
- Late arriving aircraft
- Waiting for connecting passengers/baggage
- Mechanical
- Traffic
- Waiting on crew
- Route changes

All in all, pretty complex...



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Flat Earth Theory / Re: Wiki on aviation
« on: November 23, 2022, 10:37:38 PM »
The outbound versus inbound, in a straight line, would be the same. How might a round earth cause a mis-calculation making each different?

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I see your point.  Why can't you just see the Sun and every other celestrial object 24/7 with a big enough telescope... 

The answer is there's a few things which may explain this...   Perspective, or the natural tendancy for distant objects to appear lower to a viewer, atmospheric interference - like fog except over 1000's of miles, or refraction which is the bending of light or images off the atmosphere...  The below link offer's an example and other ideas/objections to consider.

See "Comprehensive explanation of sunsets" https://forum.tfes.org/index.php?topic=19650.0

Just some potential issues with the explanations:

- Perspective: The problem with perspective is that objects. , as they gain distance from the observer, decrease visually decrease in size. The Sun does not as it's making its way across the sky toward setting at night time. It does not visually decrease in size.
- Fog: For fog to be a reason why the Sun disappears, this fog phenomenon would have to be present everywhere on earth, for every viewer, everyday and timed perfectly to expected day and night.
- Refraction: Refraction is variable. Can be light, can be strong, can be non-existent. Depends on the environment. Again, we bump up against this refraction phenomenon would have to be present everywhere on earth, for every viewer, everyday and timed perfectly to expected day and night.

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Flat Earth Theory / Re: Rivers that cross the equator
« on: November 23, 2022, 10:32:02 AM »
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A couple of questions if you don't mind. From a science perspective; if gravity did not exist and as a consequence let's say that everything floated 'on air' so to speak. Would it be fair to say that science would then want to know why things floated and why they did not fall to the ground (as opposed to why things do not float and do fall to the ground)? And if so why would we think there was something preventing us falling (as we seem to wonder why we don't float for example)?

This is a weird question.  Science doesn't look for reasons why things don't happen unless there is a reason to think they should happen.  If there was no gravity, why would anyone think something was preventing us from falling?  The obvious answer to why we don't fall would be there was no cause or force to make it happen.
That's exactly my point. You state that science doesn't look for reasons why things don't happen unless there is a reason to think they should happen. So what made science go looking for reasons why things fall to earth? Its no different to science looking at reasons why we would float and not fall to earth.

Because humans, regardless of science, tend to try and figure out how things work or don't work. Where do you think religion came from? Basically trying to make sense of the world.
A part of doing so is trying to figure out how things work or don't and an off-shoot, in doing so, some people try to make things better and/or exploit, create something new and understanding how something currently works or doesn't aids in that.

It's unclear what you think the mystery is.

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Flat Earth Investigations / Re: The Blatant Lies of National Geographic
« on: November 22, 2022, 06:28:43 PM »
And as far as the ship video is concerned, how large a wake do you propose a cruise ship would make?

Apparently, not that big...



Was the curvature put in for good measure or just a wide angle lens proving that these days the camera always lies?  :D

No. It's a fish-eye lens. And the video has nothing to do with curvature. The intent of the video, which you have completely missed, is to show that cruise ship wakes aren't monstrously large as suggested by another poster. You might want to actually read the posts and understand the context before launching into something completely irrelevant.

I think if you reread my post you will see that it was an incidental comment and coincidentally it is relevant as the topic was concerned with curvature of the earth. And fish eye lenses don't help with proving that theory. I completely accept you were videoing the wake and found it humorous that a false curvature was incorporated into the images.

You're still missing the point and strawmanning your way though this. The video was never intended to visually represent the curvature of the earth. It simply was showing the much smaller size of the wake from a cruise ship than previously asserted by another poster. That's all.

Just to satisfy your strange need, here's another one:



Flat horizon, tiny wake. Feel better now?

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Flat Earth Investigations / Re: The Blatant Lies of National Geographic
« on: November 21, 2022, 09:54:05 PM »
And as far as the ship video is concerned, how large a wake do you propose a cruise ship would make?

Apparently, not that big...



Was the curvature put in for good measure or just a wide angle lens proving that these days the camera always lies?  :D

No. It's a fish-eye lens. And the video has nothing to do with curvature. The intent of the video, which you have completely missed, is to show that cruise ship wakes aren't monstrously large as suggested by another poster. You might want to actually read the posts and understand the context before launching into something completely irrelevant.

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Flat Earth Theory / Re: Rivers that cross the equator
« on: November 21, 2022, 09:43:53 PM »
Can science explain why we are travelling as fast, and as far in in the direction we are travelling (following the sun through billions of miles) Can anyone offer a reasonable explanation? Thats what I find hard to understand - so its logical to think of a flat earth and work feom that - not the other way round.

First off, the "cartoon" was not meant to be proof of anything. Just a simple explanation of how RE works.

Secondly, and better still, can science explain why the earth is stationary and flat with other orb-like cosmic objects hovering above it? Can you offer a reasonable explanation?

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Flat Earth Theory / Re: Rivers that cross the equator
« on: November 21, 2022, 03:00:27 AM »
You realize that cardinal directions, East, West, North, South, are terms humans invented, right? If I'm in London, New York is closest to my left, West, if facing North. If I'm in Honolulu, New York is closet to my right, East, if facing North. The opposite if facing South. There is no hard and fast top or bottom or left or right.

Lastly, people in Australia are not hanging upside down. Just ask an Aussie friend.

I know they are not hanging upside down - I am using the scenario that if the world was a globe then they (or at least someone) would be hanging upside down.
Regarding top, bottom, left or right. Just because there are no hard and fast rules doesn't mean the earth (if it were a globe) would not have a top. Everything else in the natural world has a top and a bottom. Why not the earth and the planets? Do the planets not have a top? Who says they don't?

Here's how it works on a Globe Earth:


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