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Flat Earth Theory / Flat Earth Predictive Capabilities

« on: March 28, 2021, 12:28:08 PM »

If Flat Earth is to replace Globe Earth, it must at the very least have the same predictive capabilities if not more.

What is the best prediction that the Flat Earth can make?

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Flat Earth Theory / FE Celestial Gravitation

« on: March 25, 2021, 02:04:27 AM »

The Variations in Gravity are the supposed variations to gravity due to either the variations in strength of the gravitational field of the earth or due to the presence of masses such as hills or celestial bodies. It is often stated that the strength of gravity decreases with altitude or that the gravity of the Sun and Moon pulls upon the earth's surface.

The FE model of Celestial Gravitation postulates that the celestial bodies have a slight gravitational pull, which accounts for tidal effects and the lessening of g with altitude. Other FE models question whether variations in gravity actually exist at all. The few effects suggesting variations are questionable, contradicted, and may be attributed to other causes.

Gravity generally appears to behave as if the earth is accelerating upwards, that the strength of gravity is uniform, and there are no other gravitating sources around us.

This comes from the wiki. There are a lot of problems with this. First of all, it is a known fact that gravitational acceleration is NOT constant. FE must provide some mechanism to explain that variation. This requirement means those FE models that deny this variation are false.

The models that do not deny this variation attribute it to gravity but a special version. This is a celestial gravitation model where only the sun and the moon can produce an attractive force.

This is EXTREMELY easy to debunk. If the celestial bodies exert force and nothing else does, then we just need to look at how gravitational acceleration varies over the surface of the Earth. It turns out that there is a lot more going on than just the sun’s and the moon’s gravity.

However, let’s assume that a superior FE model states that the general gravitational acceleration is the result of UA and the local variances is actually the result of gravity that exists between everything just like in the RE mode except it’s much weaker. However, the challenge is to prove that the force of gravity is much weaker than the RE value.

The wiki is broken 😎

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Flat Earth Theory / ISS livestreams

« on: March 23, 2021, 02:26:06 AM »

What do Flat Earthers make of ISS livestream? Or satellites like himawari (not NASA) that are constantly taking pictures and sending them back to Earth?

It is possible to match up a plane trail or cloud formation as observed on the ground to a picture taken by the satellite. How is it possible to fake this? At this point it’s cheaper to actually send something up and take a picture rather than any ground based mass observation or whatever excuse Flat Earthers will definitely come up with.

Here is a link to observing cloud patterns that match up with satellite images https://www.metabunk.org/threads/how-to-prove-satellite-images-are-real-ground-truth.8781/

It even contains easy steps for those Flat Earthers that feel brave and adventurous.

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Flat Earth Theory / Sun and Moon

« on: March 17, 2021, 12:25:58 PM »

What forces are keeping the Sun and the Moon flying in the Sky in a Flat Earth model? Are there any experiments done to demonstrate those forces? What is keeping them in their orbits?

I don’t want speculations rather hard evidence 

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Flat Earth Theory / Real Scientific Experiment

« on: February 27, 2021, 01:09:03 PM »

Flat Earthers like to dismiss accepted scientific knowledge and make baseless claims without any scientific basis. They refuse to do any practical experiments on their own and only rest on YouTube videos or what their senses perceive.

For example, a common misconception that Flat Earthers have is that “water seeks its own level”. They have never made an effort to learn anything beyond a few YouTube videos.

Flat Earthers have still not been able to create a map of the World which shows how disinterested they are in gaining any real knowledge. It is literally one of the most important aspects of a model describing the shape of the World and even with the incredibly modern communication and travel technology of today, the Flat Earthers have not been able to make an accurate map of the World.

I have also noticed after interaction in this forum that when Flat Earthers are cornered they just leave the thread. They don’t want to be proven wrong because they don’t want to improve their knowledge. For example, two threads about Southern celestial pole were abandoned by Flat Earthers even prominent one after they realized they were wrong. Instead of improving their knowledge they chose to remain ignorant.

Why is there such a lack of scientific interest in this community? Why are Flat Earthers not joining effort to map out the surface of the Earth? You can disprove the Globe Earth map.

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Flat Earth Theory / Simple Experiments

« on: February 18, 2021, 04:48:04 AM »

I want to know what is the simplest experiment that one can do in their neighborhood or community without expensive  equipment or a lot of commitment. Is there something so simple that everyone can do and that strongly distinguishes whether reality is a Flat Earth or Globe Earth?

I am pretty sure it depends on the location too whether you live in a urban, suburban, or a rural area. Or even you live near mountains or beach etc.

But is there any experiment that comes closest to being extremely accessible and strong in conclusion?

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Flat Earth Theory / The curve

« on: February 14, 2021, 03:25:40 AM »

Recently I stumbled upon this thread in metabunk while searching for easy ways to prove the curvature of the Earth.

https://www.metabunk.org/threads/soundly-proving-the-curvature-of-the-earth-at-lake-pontchartrain.8939/

How do Flat Earthers explain the image of the pylons over the lake that is dipping?

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Flat Earth Theory / [ELI5] Southern Celestial Pole

« on: January 15, 2021, 05:43:13 AM »

The existence of a Southern Celestial Pole is an easily observable fact and is not disputed anywhere. However, looking at the typical flat earth model with stars on the dome or something similar, I really don't see how it could ever rationalize the second pole.

Please don't troll and say the Southern Celestial Pole is fake.

I read the wiki and it is not satisfactory. The mono polar flat earth can't explain the second pole and the bi polar flat earth only explains the poles (I can't find information about other phenomenon on it)

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Flat Earth Theory / [EXPLANATION NEEDED] Clouds lit from underside

« on: June 08, 2018, 05:42:52 PM »

Short Introduction

I've been following Flat Earth for about a few weeks and I've spotted some mighty errors that have been explained with complete disregard to the rest of the Flat Earth Conjecture and this often ends up explaining that particular phenomenon but debunking the rest of the conjecture.

I believe the question I'm going to ask is one of them.

The Question

I've personally witnessed and seen a dozens of pictures (on the web) of the clouds being lit from underneath by the sunlight. According to the basic Flat Earth Conjecture, the Sun is floating way above the clouds and therefore, to my knowledge, something like this should be impossible on the Flat Earth.

I'm pretty positive that there is actually no sane explanation for this but to prove me wrong is up to the Flat Earthers. Just in case you're not able to find the photos of the exact phenomenon I'm talking about, I'll attach an image.



In this remarkable photograph, you can see that not only are the clouds lit from underside but they have the Mountain's shadow casted over them. I believe this is quite impossible to achieve with Flat Earth.

The Globe Explanation

On the Globe, this phenomenon occurs because of the rotation of the Earth about it's axis. During the dusk, the Sun sinks into the horizon but you can make it reappear if you go higher. The height at which the clouds are, the Sun is still shining.

This is easily provable by videos shot on Burj Khalifa, a tower so tall, you can watch two sun sets a day by ascending.