[Lord Dave]

Its possible he doesn't understand because he really believes he never lied.

Then its confusing.

[Pete Svarrior]

If someone says you are lying, and you're not, isn't the natural response to state outright "I'm not lying" ?

That is also the natural response of anyone who is lying. You know, because they're lying.

This is why the "A-ha! That's exactly what a liar would say!" line of reasoning rarely works.

[Rama Set]

If someone says you are lying, and you're not, isn't the natural response to state outright "I'm not lying" ?

That is also the natural response of anyone who is lying. You know, because they're lying.

This is why the "A-ha! That's exactly what a liar would say!" line of reasoning rarely works.

I’ve been watching a lot of footage of people being interrogated and broken down by a psychologist and what you would expect from someone lying, it seems, is for them to give relatively elaborate rationalizations. Someone who isn’t lying would be expected to question their interrogator. “Why would you think that?” In a somewhat aggressive manner. Trump did neither, so it’s kinda inconclusive.

[Lord Dave]

If someone says you are lying, and you're not, isn't the natural response to state outright "I'm not lying" ?

That is also the natural response of anyone who is lying. You know, because they're lying.

This is why the "A-ha! That's exactly what a liar would say!" line of reasoning rarely works.

I’ve been watching a lot of footage of people being interrogated and broken down by a psychologist and what you would expect from someone lying, it seems, is for them to give relatively elaborate rationalizations. Someone who isn’t lying would be expected to question their interrogator. “Why would you think that?” In a somewhat aggressive manner. Trump did neither, so it’s kinda inconclusive.

Eh.  I've seen that but also seen people get angry.  I think it depends on whose interrogating you and the consequences.
Like Trump is being interrogated by people beneith him and even if he was lying, he'd suffer no consequences legally.  There is no higher authority than Trump.

[Lord Dave]

https://www.cnn.com/2020/08/13/politics/trump-campaign-voter-fraud-lawsuit-pennsylvania

TLDR:
Trump's campaign is suing PA for allowing mail in voting.
Federal judge (that trump appointed) has asked for evidence if 'massive voter fraud' by Friday.

[Lord Dave]

https://edition.cnn.com/2020/08/16/politics/postal-service-trump-absentee-ballot-request-mail-usps/index.html

[crutonius]

https://www.cnn.com/2020/08/13/politics/trump-campaign-voter-fraud-lawsuit-pennsylvania

TLDR:
Trump's campaign is suing PA for allowing mail in voting.
Federal judge (that trump appointed) has asked for evidence if 'massive voter fraud' by Friday.

Easy enough.  https://www.thedailybeast.com/trump-chief-of-staff-mark-meadows-says-lack-of-evidence-of-mail-in-voting-fraud-is-the-definition-of-fraud

With logic like that I think he'd do quite well as the new Tom Bishop.

[Lord Dave]

https://www.cnn.com/2020/08/13/politics/trump-campaign-voter-fraud-lawsuit-pennsylvania

TLDR:
Trump's campaign is suing PA for allowing mail in voting.
Federal judge (that trump appointed) has asked for evidence if 'massive voter fraud' by Friday.

Easy enough.  https://www.thedailybeast.com/trump-chief-of-staff-mark-meadows-says-lack-of-evidence-of-mail-in-voting-fraud-is-the-definition-of-fraud

With logic like that I think he'd do quite well as the new Tom Bishop.

Well, I'm convinced.
This must be how Trump won the election.  I mean, undetectable fraud must mean whoever won, won unfairly, yes?

[AATW]

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-us-canada-53853297

Former Trump adviser Steve Bannon has been arrested and charged with fraud over a fundraising campaign to build a wall on the US-Mexico border.

Mr Bannon and three others defrauded hundreds of thousands of donors in connection with the "We Build the Wall" campaign, which raised $25m (£19m), the US Department of Justice (DoJ) said.

Mr Bannon received more than $1m, at least some of which he used to cover personal expenses, the DoJ said.

He is due to appear in court later.

[honk]

I knew that was a scam! I don't think I mentioned it on the forum, but I remember bringing it up on IRC when that crowdfunding campaign first became a thing and expressing my admiration at how easily Brian Kolfage was fleecing millions of dollars from gullible conservatives.

[JSS]

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-us-canada-53853297

Former Trump adviser Steve Bannon has been arrested and charged with fraud over a fundraising campaign to build a wall on the US-Mexico border.

Mr Bannon and three others defrauded hundreds of thousands of donors in connection with the "We Build the Wall" campaign, which raised $25m (£19m), the US Department of Justice (DoJ) said.

Mr Bannon received more than $1m, at least some of which he used to cover personal expenses, the DoJ said.

He is due to appear in court later.

Trump pardon in three...

[Lord Dave]

Also, to add to the Trump flames of rage:

https://twitter.com/neal_katyal/status/1296448357821566976

[Tom Bishop]

I doubt that will go anywhere. 1M out of 25M is only 4%. And the $1M was split among multiple people, over a period of years apparently. Even if it was claimed that 100% would go towards the wall, charities are still allowed to pay themselves.  It can be argued that those administrative costs are part of building the wall.

Other charities take much more. The 'Kids Wish Network' operates legally and only gives about 12% of what it brings in.

[JSS]

I doubt that will go anywhere. 1M out of 25M is only 4%. And the $1M was split among multiple people, over a period of years apparently. Even if it was claimed that 100% would go towards the wall, charities are still allowed to pay themselves.  It can be argued that those administrative costs are part of building the wall.

Other charities take much more. The 'Kids Wish Network' operates legally and only gives about 12% of what it brings in.

The 'Kids Wish Network' doesn't claim that 100% of their expenses go to their programs.  They didn't claim that one of their founders wouldn't get paid, then make sham invoices to pay them in secret.

The problem isn't that Steve Bannon and Brian Kolfage got paid, the problem is they promised that they wouldn't get paid, then sneakily did it any way.

The problem isn't that "only" 4% of the money went to people, it's that 4% wen't to people that they promised wouldn't get ANY. 

They can certainly argue those were administrative costs, they can tell the Judge that during their trial.

[Tom Bishop]

he 'Kids Wish Network' doesn't claim that 100% of their expenses go to their programs.  They didn't claim that one of their founders wouldn't get paid, then make sham invoices to pay them in secret.

The problem isn't that Steve Bannon and Brian Kolfage got paid, the problem is they promised that they wouldn't get paid, then sneakily did it any way.

Steve Bannon did more than just sit in a room for four years - https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Steve_Bannon#Political_career

Any political activities they did could be construed as promoting the agenda for the Wall. It's not really a clear cut case of fraud.

[JSS]

he 'Kids Wish Network' doesn't claim that 100% of their expenses go to their programs.  They didn't claim that one of their founders wouldn't get paid, then make sham invoices to pay them in secret.

The problem isn't that Steve Bannon and Brian Kolfage got paid, the problem is they promised that they wouldn't get paid, then sneakily did it any way.

Steve Bannon did more than just sit in a room for four years - https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Steve_Bannon#Political_career

Any political activities they did could be construed as promoting the agenda for the Wall. It's not really a clear cut case of fraud.

He can promote it all he wanted, but if he paid himself after promising donors he would be unpaid, that's fraud.

We can argue all day, but the trial will be what decides it, not us.

[Lord Dave]

Also, did they report the extra income on their taxes?  If not, thats tax fraud.

[Tumeni]

Tangential to POTUS, but there's reports of one of the funeral guests from Robert Trump's funeral yesterday assaulting a server/waiter in a local restaurant because they were unhappy with the social distancing rules. According to witnesses, some of the group were still carrying their funeral programmes.

 

[Lord Dave]

Shadow Immigration System: Migrant Children Detained In Hotels By Private Contractors https://www.npr.org/2020/08/20/904027735/shadow-immigration-system-migrant-children-detained-in-hotels-by-private-contrac?sc=18&f=904027735

That is some high level gastapo shit right there.

[Roundy]

https://www.foxnews.com/politics/sen-graham-powerful-trump-ally-in-trouble-with-reelection-in-south-carolina

Hahahaha

Apparently, according to Fox News, Lindsey Graham has been forced into a tight race in a staunchly Republican stronghold because he made the "pragmatic" (their word) choice of backing a "race-baiting, xenophobic, religious bigot" (Graham's words, describing Trump, as quoted in this article).

How "pragmatic" will that decision actually look if we really see him, Susan Collins, and other fake moderates who have tried to have it both ways with Trump lose in a blue wave?

Hahahaha