...please can you upload the photos you mentioned as it was add the evidence factor, cheers :-)Might be less cluttering if I just provide links rather than in-lining the images.
Hi Bobby, cheers for the links, having trouble seeing images on my tablet, just takes me to the page but no pics,but will try on my Mac laterHmm. Can you see this (photo #1)
No feedback? Criticisms? Commentary?
I was starting to think it was something about me.
I've read Tom Bishop's defense of why lights can appear larger in the distance due to atmospheric effects that counter the usual vanishing point explanation for things getting smaller with distance. But the illustrations he's chosen were streetlights and headlights where focus and optical effects like blooming or glare aren't accounted for.I was starting to think it was something about me.
Don't worry, it isn't ;)
(http://oi65.tinypic.com/i5672r.jpg)
Very interesting, thank you for doing this work.
You know that flat earth theory says the same? "This is how the sun's diameter is maintained throughout the day." (https://wiki.tfes.org/Magnification_of_the_Sun_at_Sunset#Magnification_and_Shrinking)
Very interesting, thank you for doing this work.
Our knowledge increases by seeing and observing and it seems you have done fair share amount of that. An explanation must be seen or observed in order to be real. Seems you want to show us that sun does not change in size (except for apparent size) during it's path across the sky.
You know that flat earth theory says the same? "This is how the sun's diameter is maintained throughout the day." (https://wiki.tfes.org/Magnification_of_the_Sun_at_Sunset#Magnification_and_Shrinking)
Maybe a bit off-topic, but a neat alignment of sunset with the Scripps pier (La Jolla) that occurs 2x a year...
(http://oi65.tinypic.com/2znznk1.jpg)
Rowbotham also saw sunset differently from how I do:
(http://oi68.tinypic.com/xfx342.jpg)
The bottom 1/3rd of this sun isn't being "compressed" by perspective while the upper 2/3rd remain orb-like.
The angular diameter of this sun, at less than 1° elevation, is the same as it was at solar noon.
The sun doesn't "compress" to a vanishing point.
This one fact, therefore, of the sun appearing to stay the same size really ought to be enough to put flat earth to bed.
All those photos are of flares. But if you use a filter you can take a picture of the actual light source. Which is what has been done above with the photos I showed you.
Can you find a picture of a light source which maintains its apparent size when moving into the distance that isn't due to flare?
That's what you'd need to put forward to support this.
You are correct in that light sources never quite maintain their angular size as they move away.All those photos are of flares. But if you use a filter you can take a picture of the actual light source. Which is what has been done above with the photos I showed you.
Can you find a picture of a light source which maintains its apparent size when moving into the distance that isn't due to flare?
That's what you'd need to put forward to support this.
The effects in Georgii Shipin's gallery (https://www.shutterstock.com/g/georgiishipin?searchterm=light) are due to an effect of camera focusing and aperture, not flares. We did talk about it at one point. Diffusion scattering or some such. I will see if I can find those old discussions.
I do find it remarkable for light sources to maintain their size, no matter how far away they are.
It does suggest that the mechanism in Earth Not a Globe may be possible if this same sort of mechanism could occur in the atmosphere, which at times in contemporary literature is described as acting like a lens in some ways.Lens flare (probably really just very gross overexposure) can certainly make the sun seem larger than it is when well above the horizon, making it appear to shrink as it loses brightness as it approaches the horizon.
I do find it remarkable for light sources to maintain their size, no matter how far away they are.
I do find it remarkable for light sources to maintain their size, no matter how far away they are.
Really?
Suns diameter varies from 32.6 arc minutes To 31.4 arc minutes throughout the year.
If a light source (sun) does not get smaller the further or closer it is, why the change in the measurable diameter of the sun?
I do find it remarkable for light sources to maintain their size, no matter how far away they are.
Really?
Suns diameter varies from 32.6 arc minutes To 31.4 arc minutes throughout the year.
If a light source (sun) does not get smaller the further or closer it is, why the change in the measurable diameter of the sun?
Some of those lights in that gallery do get slightly bigger when they get too close to the camera. Otherwise they seem to be all the same size stretching into the distance. It appears to be purely a far field effect. I imagine that if one of those lights were one inch from the camera lens that it would look a lot bigger than when in the far field.
Using a solar filter, eliminating "flare" and not artistically playing with depth of field as that photographer has done, I can, for the purpose of proper angular size measurement/observation, make it so that the sun is not subject to the optical effects of the terrestrial lights in these photographs. Those photographs are not a fair analogy. See my images on the first page of this topic.;) Who needs a solar filter ;)? Not I when I get a nice mist this morning that makes possible nice sharp photos of the sun just above the horizon.
Wanted to post an interesting picture of the setting sun, taken last week (not by me) from the Del Mar Fairgrounds during an evening of the San Diego County Fair.
(http://oi66.tinypic.com/52duep.jpg)
Lots going on in this photo: mirage, compression, diffusion, refraction...makes for a beautiful and unusual sunset.
(Yikes. Originally posted this without the photo.)
Flat Earth Sunset - Impossible on a Globe Earth :)The picture quality is so bad here it's impossible to tell what's even happening in this video. If I had to hazard a guess the sun appears to be sinking behind large amounts of clouds gathered on the horizon, giving the effect of the 'point' of the sun steadily shrinking? Failing to see what's so impossible about that, but again I can't even tell what's going on here for sure to begin with.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=15zNfRfpukk&index=147&list=FLiA3u9Cp8IHtFAUtmYmskxQ&t=0s
Flat Earth Sunset - Impossible on a Globe Earth :)