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Philosophy, Religion & Society / Re: Trump

« on: October 26, 2023, 11:27:10 PM »

Yes, the deal is for truthful testimony, just like it is with all witnesses who flip, and truthful testimony must therefore be damaging to Trump, because otherwise the prosecution wouldn't be making deals  with these witnesses to testify to begin with. I don't think I can put it any more simply than that. The prosecution is not on Trump's side. They are not trying to help him. If they're asking people to testify and making deals with them to that effect, it's because their testimony will hurt Trump. That's how this works. That's how it's always worked. You're quibbling about a distinction without a difference.

That is how it is displayed in movies that prosecutors are against the defendant, but prosecutors are not meant to be on any one side of the case. Their duty is to truth and justice. See that previous sentence I quoted from Markjo's document on their duty:

Prosecutors, whose duty is to seek justice rather than convictions⁹⁰, should not place the desire for convictions ahead of the pursuit of unbiased testimony. Buying testimony with conditional leniency tips the scales of justice by inviting perjury.

The role of a prosecutor is a role which has duties to society, the alleged victim and the defendant suspected of the crime:

https://www.unodc.org/e4j/en/crime-prevention-criminal-justice/module-14/key-issues/2--general-issues--public-prosecutors-as-the-gate-keepers-of-criminal-justice.html

In criminal cases, prosecutors are responsible for representing not only the interests of society at large, but also those of victims of crimes. They also have duties to other individuals, including persons suspected of a crime and witnesses.

https://www.maricopacountyattorney.org/DocumentCenter/View/106/The-California-Prosecutor-Integrity-Independence-Leadership-PDF?bidId=

Prosecutors have a very unique role: Prosecutors represent society—all of the members of
society, including victims and defendants. In this regard, prosecutors have a duty to ensure
the fairness of criminal proceedings. The United States Supreme Court noted in Berger v.
United States:

"[The prosecutor] is the representative not of an ordinary party to a
controversy, but of a sovereignty whose obligation to govern impartially is as
compelling as its obligation to govern at all; and whose interest, therefore, in
a criminal prosecution is not that it shall win a case, but that justice shall be
done."

Because of this role, the ethical standards imposed upon prosecutors are extraordinary;
prosecutorial misconduct is not tolerated.

See what I mean? He doesn't want to understand. Y'all are just wasting time trying to help him see a point that he refuses to see. I know, it's sad that some people are willfully ignorant when the facts don't match the narrative they want to tell. But that's the world we live in and Tom's practically its poster boy.

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Philosophy, Religion & Society / Re: Trump

« on: October 26, 2023, 05:23:34 PM »

I honestly don't understand why people keep arguing with Tom about this. He's just wrong and you're not going to convince him otherwise.

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Philosophy, Religion & Society / Re: Trump

« on: October 22, 2023, 04:18:01 PM »

True.  Allow me to rephrase:
If she invokes it, the deal is off.

Seems you are truly for weaponizing prosecution against US citizens, then.

No surprise there.

This is the way the law works. Plea bargains are all part of the judicial process but when your boy Trump is involved all of a sudden it's something nefarious, you really are ridiculous lmao

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Philosophy, Religion & Society / Re: Trump

« on: October 21, 2023, 06:02:26 AM »

Why not ride the wave of the trial, embarass the entire georga persecution office, and then counter sue for defermation when you win?

Dave's been drinking again.

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Philosophy, Religion & Society / Re: Trump

« on: October 20, 2023, 11:13:03 PM »

ITT: Tom doesn't understand what a plea bargain is lmao

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Philosophy, Religion & Society / Re: Trump

« on: October 19, 2023, 07:11:18 PM »

Sydney Powell has pleaded guilty to racketeering and attempted election interferance because she did nothing wrong and has a mountain of evidence to prove it was fraud.

https://www.npr.org/2023/10/19/1207076719/sidney-powell-georgia-guilty-plea

I'm sure she only pleaded because they gave her a sweet deal. Maybe a few months in a Club Fed "prison", then riches, bitches, the whole nine. The Deep State at work helping to get at our poor, misunderstood, benign ex-president.

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Philosophy, Religion & Society / Re: President Joe Biden

« on: October 10, 2023, 03:30:50 PM »

Well this is ironic

It's disappointing. But people forget that the border wall was never a specifically Trump, or even Republican, concept. Clinton's administration was the first to start construction on a border between Mexico and the US and Obama added to it.

Honestly I think it's a mistake politically on Biden's part, even though those funds were appropriated for the wall in 2019 and the money would have just languished in limbo if he hadn't approved it. We probably shouldn't be doing it if we need to waive 20 federal laws and regulations to build it. In the end I think the constant cost of repairs and upgrades aren't worth it.

Imagine if Trump had actually delivered on his promises and built a solid wall from end to end. Keeping the wall stable long term would be a nightmare fiscally. It already pretty much is, given that if it weren't for the need to repair sections of the wall that had already been built by the time Trump was president he might have actually been able to deliver on his promise. Of course Trump said he would force Mexico to pay for it, giving the illusion to people susceptible to his bullshit that the financial issue was solved. But any rational person could see that that was always just a pipe dream, as indeed it ended up being. And despite Trump's promises that his financial acumen would allow the wall to be built more cheaply and efficiently than previous administrations, he ended up spending five times per mile more than previous administrations had, a cost that we as taxpayers had to pay. Oops.

So we've been trying to build this wall for nearly 30 years now, and have made little progress, and clearly what's already been done has done little to nothing to stop the border crossings. If the wall worked like Trump insisted it would we wouldn't be facing this crisis now. It was a failed experiment, and it's time to abandon it and try to find a solution that actually works.

The wall is a financial and logistical nightmare, and it demonstrably failed in its intended purpose. That's why Democrats were against it, and that's why Biden promised not to add to it. There's no way this decision isn't going to cost Biden politically. If he's doing it only for the financial reasons (which I think are offset by the negatives) he should have waited until after he won the election. Caving now makes him look weak.

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Philosophy, Religion & Society / Re: Died Suddenly

« on: October 09, 2023, 05:30:16 PM »

I expressed my laughter through the power of the emoticon 

In other words, another anonymous troll.

Kindred spirits, we are!

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Philosophy, Religion & Society / Re: Died Suddenly

« on: October 09, 2023, 05:12:52 PM »

Actually you are. Not part of the fringes, though. More like part of the mainstream corral with all the other clueless farm animals. BAAA!!!

Right, like any cultist you think you're one of the chosen few privy to the real truth, never mind what pesky irrelevancies like "science" have to say. You must really feel special not to be one of the sheep! 

Maybe you should change your name to Ranty.

Why? Does my amusement at your delusions come across as ranting? I promise, I'm just laughing at you.

Ranting is what you're doing, but please don't stop, it's frequently hilarious!

I can't see you laughing, though.

Show me how you're laughing, send me a video.

I expressed my laughter through the power of the emoticon 

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Philosophy, Religion & Society / Re: Died Suddenly

« on: October 09, 2023, 04:12:22 PM »

Actually you are. Not part of the fringes, though. More like part of the mainstream corral with all the other clueless farm animals. BAAA!!!

Right, like any cultist you think you're one of the chosen few privy to the real truth, never mind what pesky irrelevancies like "science" have to say. You must really feel special not to be one of the sheep! 

Maybe you should change your name to Ranty.

Why? Does my amusement at your delusions come across as ranting? I promise, I'm just laughing at you.

Ranting is what you're doing, but please don't stop, it's frequently hilarious!

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Philosophy, Religion & Society / Re: Died Suddenly

« on: October 08, 2023, 11:30:16 PM »

Actually you are. Not part of the fringes, though. More like part of the mainstream corral with all the other clueless farm animals. BAAA!!!

Right, like any cultist you think you're one of the chosen few privy to the real truth, never mind what pesky irrelevancies like "science" have to say. You must really feel special not to be one of the sheep! 

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Philosophy, Religion & Society / Re: Died Suddenly

« on: October 08, 2023, 04:48:07 PM »

Wow, "the vaxx cult", like we're the ones on the fringes being duped into believing ridiculous things 

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Philosophy, Religion & Society / Re: Died Suddenly

« on: October 07, 2023, 04:35:12 PM »

Coincidence is the #1 killer of vaccine poster boys.

https://twitter.com/_aussie17/status/1710512436728725614

Kinda an overused trope, conspiracy theorists insisting that coincidences are never really coincidences. Trite and boring. I guess I should expect it from you by now but it's still disappointing. *yawn*

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Philosophy, Religion & Society / Re: President Joe Biden

« on: September 30, 2023, 11:32:02 PM »

https://thefederalist.com/2023/09/29/yes-the-biden-impeachment-hearing-presented-evidence-of-corruption-lots-of-it/

mounds of damning evidence now piling up by the day, including the release on Wednesday by the House Ways and Means Committee of reams of text messages and emails between Hunter Biden, his uncle James Biden, and a colorful array of foreign oligarchs, business associates, and bagmen.

hey which one of those is joe biden

I know the evidence against Joe is coming any day now, and I'm sure whatever it might be it will be damning.

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Philosophy, Religion & Society / Re: President Joe Biden

« on: September 29, 2023, 02:11:27 AM »

I'm not gonna lose sleep if they're not covering a sham inquiry intended as nothing but political assassination anyway tbh

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Philosophy, Religion & Society / Re: President Joe Biden

« on: September 22, 2023, 02:11:25 AM »

Did you watch the first fifteen seconds of that video? He didn't mix Biden and Obama there. He was talking about Obama.

As you know Crooked Joe Biden and
the radical left thugs have weaponized
law enforcement to arrest  their leading
political opponent, leading by a lot,
including Obama. I'll tell you what, you
look at Obama and some of the thing
he's done. We did it with Obama, we
won an election they said could be won

In his second sentence there he says to look at some of the bad things Obama has done, indicating that he was saying in his previous statement that Obama also weaponized law enforcement.

This claim against Obama weaponizing law enforcement is not new -

https://judiciary.house.gov/sites/evo-subsites/republicans-judiciary.house.gov/files/2020-07/2020-07-28-Examining-Democrat-Allegations-Against-Attorney-General-William-P-Barr.pdf

"The Obama-Biden Justice Department investigated journalists, targeted legitimate businesses disliked by the Obama-Biden Administration, and flouted Congressional oversight. Most notoriously, the Obama-Biden Justice Department weaponized its law-enforcement apparatus against the campaign of Donald Trump."

Obama had weaponized law enforcement against conservatives, including Donald Trump.

My bad, he clearly says that he already defeated Obama in an election they said "could be won". He goes on to say that Biden is going to get us into World War II. Oops. And for a refreshing change of pace Dave is absolutely right, he literally looks like he's having a stroke in that video. But tell me again how Biden is cognitively impaired and unfit to be President. 

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Philosophy, Religion & Society / Re: President Joe Biden

« on: September 21, 2023, 05:08:23 PM »

You seem to be mistaking age with competency. Here is Donald Trump to set you straight:

This is the same Donald Trump that just vowed to defeat Obama in 2024 right? Yes, he seems fully with it. 

https://www.msnbc.com/morning-joe/watch/trump-confuses-obama-and-biden-in-speech-warns-biden-will-lead-u-s-into-world-war-ii-193178181948

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Arts & Entertainment / Re: Superhero Movies & Comics General

« on: August 28, 2023, 08:25:46 PM »

Saw The Flash. Obviously it's impossible to watch a movie like this this late in the game and not have formed some preconceived notions of what to expect. That can be a good thing sometimes, and it was with this movie. Based on some of what I've seen about it, I was expecting trash, or at least mediocrity. It was not. And I may have enjoyed it more having expected trash, if that makes sense.

I'm not the biggest fan of how the character is written in the franchise. He just doesn't come across as awkward (borderline autismal) in the comics as he does here. On the other hand, the Barry Allen version of this character was always kind of boring, and Ezra Miller does a great job playing with what he's given.

I thought the CGI was phenomenal. It's kind of fashionable these days to criticize a movie for its CGI, and I guess with the stylized way it's done this was an easy target. But I loved it. This was the best depiction in live action I've ever seen of Barry's powers in action. The scenes where he's traveling back in time are particularly stunning.

It was a good story. I almost want to criticize it for being too dark in keeping in line with the worst of DCEU past, but in this case it's justified because it's true to the source material. Which admittedly they play very loose with but the bare bones had to be there for the story to have its emotional thrust. And there are plenty of lighter elements to balance it out.

This was Ben Affleck's best appearance as Batman. The opening set piece was exciting, he had a cool little conversation with Barry about the potential consequences of trying to change the past as Bruce, and he's gone. It was a good sendoff for Batfleck.

The Michael Keaton Batman stuff came off as overly fanservice-y. They even seem to wink at this with young Barry's overenthusiastic reaction to being in the Batcave. But he served the story well and it was one of many fun nods to past realities presented in the movie. The best, of course, was a glimpse at the Nicholas Cage Superman movie that never came to be, complete with giant robot spider.

I'm still trying to process how I feel about the movie's big reveal that the being that forced Barry out of the Chronobowl was actually a much older young Barry still trying to fix things. I have trouble with it because it creates a loop that doesn't make a whole lot of sense, and even points that out like it's not supposed to be a big deal. I was also lost on Batman suddenly being George Clooney after Barry fixes things. Another nod to an old continuity obviously but was it necessary? This obviously isn't the actual reboot of the DCU that I was expecting it to be with that twist in play. But maybe it was setting it up by showing that different realities have different looking people. To me it just seemed silly but maybe that's all they were going for too.

On the other hand the idea presented early on that when you change something in the timeline it creates a ripple effect going both ways was really cool and a novel concept to me.

Overall I think this was one of the better DCEU movies. I enjoyed it and would recommend it. 3.5/5 stars.

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Philosophy, Religion & Society / Re: Trump

« on: August 19, 2023, 03:48:57 AM »

The prosecutors involved have been quite clear as to what crimes Trump has been accused of. You may not personally feel that those acts should be crimes, but they are.

Feelings have nothing to do with it. The fact is, they are not crimes.

And prosecuting Trump is the right thing for a just society to do regardless of how popular (or unpopular) it makes him. Partisan political calculations should not affect the application of justice.

You are correct. You shouldn't prosecute anyone exercising lawful conduct.

Just because the only law you understand is the law of the jungle, doesn't mean the rest of us are as ignornat.

"ignornat." - Does this misspelling mean you are ignorant?

How could we trust your word you would have any clue whatsoever regarding the level of my legal expertise in other areas outside of the jungle? I mean, come on...

It means I typed on a phone without spellcheck.  But you seem to have gotten the message.


As for how we can trust it: same way we trust that you have any legal expertise.
We look at your posts and determine how often you misunderstand laws.

Turns out, its alot.

Actually, you have nothing to back up your bluster and it's (please note the apostrophe) and instead offer weak personal attacks.

Is showing classified documents to unauthorized people a crime: yes or no?

Do you have evidence that unauthorized people have looked at classified documents? Cause the prosecutor hasn't.

They do.  They have an audio recording of Donald Trump talking about the classified documents he's showing including the reaction of the two people there who clearly see the document he's holding up and acknoledge that it is, indeed, classified and they shouldn't see it.

Which, while true, is beside the point that showing classified documents to unauthorized people is a crime, and he was charged with it, and extra lovely, muppet80 has implicitly admitted that he acknowledges it as a crime just by asking if there's evidence that it happened. So there's your answer, muppet.

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Philosophy, Religion & Society / Re: Trump

« on: August 18, 2023, 03:09:05 AM »

I mean his own AG says he's fucked but yeah, ok, no crimes here lol