On the notion of
Daggerfall:
<beardo> Saddam: Lord Woodborne did nothing wrong.
<Georgoid> beardo: Lord Woodborne was a nobody the player was unfamiliar with and therefore a terrible villain
<Georgoid> I don't think he even had a motivation to kill Lysandus, did he?
<beardo> Saddam: Who did you give the totem to?
<Georgoid> I gave it to the Underking
<Georgoid> They probably should have just made that the canon ending
<Georgoid> Nobody else deserved it
<beardo> >not giving it to the crazy king of wayrest
<beardo> Also, it's interesting that due to the Warp in the West, Mannimarco both became a God, and didn't. That's why he's a mortal in Oblivion. Because he's both mortal and a God.
<beardo> Well, he wasn't a mortal in Daggerfall of course, since he was a lich
<beardo> Unless you'd call the undead mortals
<beardo> not sure I would
<beardo> Also, if Mannimarco was the first Lich ever, why are there liches in TESO?
<beardo> Him bein the first lich is probably not true. The liches in Oblivion are Ayleids.
<Crudblud> Licherino
<Georgoid> Doesn't explain why he's such a pussy in Oblivion
beardo is referring to
this book describing Mannimarco as "world's first of the undying liches." He was no such thing, as established by the same game that the book first appeared in. I will generously assume that such phrasing was simply an artistic flourish on the part of the author, meant to establish that Mannimarco was an unusually powerful lich. I'm still mad about how he was portrayed in
Oblivion. That might be my biggest lore issue with the game, in fact. Also:
<beardo> Saddam: On the notion of Daggerfall
<beardo>
https://pbs.twimg.com/media/CxlhmfUUQAEeEJU.png:large<Georgoid> Yes
<Crudblud> Daggerfall Unity actually doesn't look like complete trash
<Crudblud> That's pretty good
<Crudblud> Considering it is complete trash
<beardo> I will play Daggerfall Unity when it's done
<beardo> You'll actually be able to finish the fucking game without cheating like Saddam did, h4h4
<beardo> And give the totem to the crazy king of Wayrest like Saddam didn't.
<beardo>
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0WrB95dKH0A<Crudblud> That's the full ending?
<beardo> It's the full Wayrest ending, yeah
<beardo> All the endings are similar, with just another dialogue and different pictures
<beardo> the skeleton is in all of them
<Crudblud> Great
<Georgoid> Still more effort than Bethesda put into F4's endings
<Crudblud> "My son is older than I am and I guess I learned some things but you know what? War never changes!"
<Blanko> It's like poetry, it rhymes
<Crudblud> Todd Howard wouldn't release anything less than perfection, he makes sure the writing staff go that extra mile
<Georgoid> Also, that is no mere skeleton
<Crudblud> It's mr skeltal himself
<Georgoid> It is Zurin Arctus, the Underking
<Crudblud> He's not looking so hot
<Crudblud> The exploding coffin trick is pretty nifty though, I'll give him that
Eadwyre is neither crazy nor a traitor to the Empire - he's seemingly implicated during the main quest, but is exonerated by the reveal of Woodborne as the culprit. And apparently he turns on you if you sell him the Totem, which is entirely out of character for him, while the villainous king of Daggerfall, Gothryd, pays you the gold he promised for it. I'd be willing to bet that Bethesda accidentally assigned each of these characters the other's reaction to being offered the Totem. On a similar note, I suspect that there was supposed to be a different ending cutscene for each faction, but somehow Bethesda fucked it up and had the player see the Underking no matter which faction you chose.