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Re: Why is there no flat earth map?
« Reply #40 on: March 08, 2018, 11:52:21 PM »
The Earth has not been fully and accurately mapped so it does seem reasonable to hold out judgement on what is considered the final map until the new mapping project has been completed.

The "globe" has been called out for displaying incorrect presentation so one should not assume it to be correct.

The maps we have, when placed upon the correct shape and not projected onto a flat surface, are very accurate. Accurate enough to get ships, planes, cars and trains wherever they need to go with a near-perfect success rate.

The problems arise when we have to put that map onto a 2d surface, something we have found many solutions to that all have their own strengths and weaknesses.

Have you ever flown anywhere? What maps were the pilots using?

Re: Why is there no flat earth map?
« Reply #41 on: March 09, 2018, 12:00:53 AM »
Yes, and pilots used flat maps.

Many have come to consider the globe a toy because it has failed to live up to its expectation. 

Have you seen pilots taking along a globe to use as a navigation tool? 

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Re: Why is there no flat earth map?
« Reply #42 on: March 09, 2018, 12:06:40 AM »
Yes, and pilots used flat maps.

Many have come to consider the globe a toy because it has failed to live up to its expectation. 

Have you seen pilots taking along a globe to use as a navigation tool?

Absolutely not -- you are correct that they do not bring a globe with them. The maps they use are projections of the globe onto a flat surface.

If there is a true flat earth map, you will need to present it. Your boy Tom himself has admitted one does not exist.

Re: Why is there no flat earth map?
« Reply #43 on: March 09, 2018, 12:36:48 AM »
Yes, and pilots used flat maps.

Many have come to consider the globe a toy because it has failed to live up to its expectation. 

Have you seen pilots taking along a globe to use as a navigation tool?

Absolutely not -- you are correct that they do not bring a globe with them. The maps they use are projections of the globe onto a flat surface.

If there is a true flat earth map, you will need to present it. Your boy Tom himself has admitted one does not exist.
Alternatively or in addition, I would be very interested in where WSG-84 is incorrect and if you could explain what you mean by "incorrect presentation" I believe is what you called it.

Re: Why is there no flat earth map?
« Reply #44 on: March 09, 2018, 12:42:05 AM »
None of us can deny that Tom isn't correct about the lack of a final Earth shape map. 

Contributing to such an important cause seems like such a logical solution.   

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Re: Why is there no flat earth map?
« Reply #45 on: March 09, 2018, 01:00:17 AM »
None of us can deny that Tom isn't correct about the lack of a final Earth shape map. 

Contributing to such an important cause seems like such a logical solution.

How have we managed to effectively navigate this planet for centuries without one?

When boarding a plane, how confident are you in the pilot's ability to get you where you need to go?

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Re: Why is there no flat earth map?
« Reply #46 on: March 09, 2018, 01:40:20 AM »
Yes, and pilots used flat maps.

Many have come to consider the globe a toy because it has failed to live up to its expectation. 

Have you seen pilots taking along a globe to use as a navigation tool?

Yeah, we should use the FE ma....oh wait, there isn't one.
As far pilots and airlines, you should become a consultant. They are routinely flying these silly curved flight paths. You could save them millions in fuel costs!
I saw a video where a pilot was flying above the sun.
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Re: Why is there no flat earth map?
« Reply #47 on: March 13, 2018, 06:46:33 AM »
None of us can deny that Tom isn't correct about the lack of a final Earth shape map. 

Contributing to such an important cause seems like such a logical solution.

So there is a map? Sorry, your post makes very little sense, are you not incapable of not clarifying?

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Re: Why is there no flat earth map?
« Reply #48 on: March 15, 2018, 05:59:17 AM »

Thanks junker!  Lots to do in the realm of proper Earth shape identification.

Such as put an accurate representation of its surface features to paper? That would certainly be welcomed by all, I'm sure.

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Re: Why is there no flat earth map?
« Reply #49 on: March 15, 2018, 10:52:12 AM »

Thanks junker!  Lots to do in the realm of proper Earth shape identification.

Such as put an accurate representation of its surface features to paper? That would certainly be welcomed by all, I'm sure.

The problem here is that even the most die-hard FE believer knows it isn't necessary as what we have already clearly works.

The computers/tablets/phones they browse these forums on and do their "research" on aren't built locally, nor were their parts all sourced from the same place. Yet somehow everything has managed to get where it needs to go, reliably and efficiently, while using maps based off of a globe.

I wonder how that can be?

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Re: Why is there no flat earth map?
« Reply #50 on: March 15, 2018, 05:01:07 PM »

Thanks junker!  Lots to do in the realm of proper Earth shape identification.

Such as put an accurate representation of its surface features to paper? That would certainly be welcomed by all, I'm sure.

The problem here is that even the most die-hard FE believer knows it isn't necessary as what we have already clearly works.

The computers/tablets/phones they browse these forums on and do their "research" on aren't built locally, nor were their parts all sourced from the same place. Yet somehow everything has managed to get where it needs to go, reliably and efficiently, while using maps based off of a globe.

I wonder how that can be?

By your own logic, ships and planes can get to places using "maps of a globe" despite the distances on those maps being warped.
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Re: Why is there no flat earth map?
« Reply #51 on: March 15, 2018, 05:11:51 PM »

Thanks junker!  Lots to do in the realm of proper Earth shape identification.

Such as put an accurate representation of its surface features to paper? That would certainly be welcomed by all, I'm sure.

The problem here is that even the most die-hard FE believer knows it isn't necessary as what we have already clearly works.

The computers/tablets/phones they browse these forums on and do their "research" on aren't built locally, nor were their parts all sourced from the same place. Yet somehow everything has managed to get where it needs to go, reliably and efficiently, while using maps based off of a globe.

I wonder how that can be?

By your own logic, ships and planes can get to places using "maps of a globe" despite the distances on those maps being warped.

That's because they're traversing the globe those maps are projections of.

The simple fact that it is possible for a spherical model to perfectly match reality whereas it isn't for a two-dimensional map just proves that the earth we live on is a sphere and not a disk. Besides centuries of other evidence obviously.
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Re: Why is there no flat earth map?
« Reply #52 on: March 15, 2018, 05:24:06 PM »

Thanks junker!  Lots to do in the realm of proper Earth shape identification.

Such as put an accurate representation of its surface features to paper? That would certainly be welcomed by all, I'm sure.

The problem here is that even the most die-hard FE believer knows it isn't necessary as what we have already clearly works.

The computers/tablets/phones they browse these forums on and do their "research" on aren't built locally, nor were their parts all sourced from the same place. Yet somehow everything has managed to get where it needs to go, reliably and efficiently, while using maps based off of a globe.

I wonder how that can be?

By your own logic, ships and planes can get to places using "maps of a globe" despite the distances on those maps being warped.

Yes, they are warped -- but we know how and why they are warped, and there are different types for different applications.

But you're missing the point -- those ships arrive, and they arrive on-time.

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Re: Why is there no flat earth map?
« Reply #53 on: March 15, 2018, 05:31:51 PM »
But you're missing the point -- those ships arrive, and they arrive on-time.

How do they know what "on time" is except to compare to previous journeys of that route?

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Re: Why is there no flat earth map?
« Reply #54 on: March 15, 2018, 05:33:04 PM »
But you're missing the point -- those ships arrive, and they arrive on-time.

How do they know what "on time" is except to compare to previous journeys of that route?

Mathematics. You never did those sort of equations in middle school math classes?

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Re: Why is there no flat earth map?
« Reply #55 on: March 15, 2018, 05:43:19 PM »
Mathematics. You never did those sort of equations in middle school math classes?

An estimate based on mathematics would require knowledge of all variables involved.

The distance is unknown in this excercise; and ships and planes don't know how fast they are traveling, except in reference to an external coordinate system that assumes a Round Earth.
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Re: Why is there no flat earth map?
« Reply #56 on: March 15, 2018, 05:47:09 PM »
Mathematics. You never did those sort of equations in middle school math classes?

An estimate based on mathematics would require knowledge of all variables involved.

The distance is unknown in this excercise; and ships and planes don't know how fast they are traveling, except in reference to an external coordinate system that assumes a Round Earth.

How far are you comfortable measuring? Are american football fields 100 yards long, or are we not sure?

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Re: Why is there no flat earth map?
« Reply #57 on: March 15, 2018, 05:55:44 PM »
Mathematics. You never did those sort of equations in middle school math classes?

An estimate based on mathematics would require knowledge of all variables involved.

The distance is unknown in this excercise; and ships and planes don't know how fast they are traveling, except in reference to an external coordinate system that assumes a Round Earth.

How far are you comfortable measuring? Are american football fields 100 yards long, or are we not sure?

Football fields are measured with wheeled devices, which are accurate for measuring distances.

Re: Why is there no flat earth map?
« Reply #58 on: March 15, 2018, 06:18:52 PM »
Mathematics. You never did those sort of equations in middle school math classes?

An estimate based on mathematics would require knowledge of all variables involved.

The distance is unknown in this excercise; and ships and planes don't know how fast they are traveling, except in reference to an external coordinate system that assumes a Round Earth.

How far are you comfortable measuring? Are american football fields 100 yards long, or are we not sure?

Football fields are measured with wheeled devices, which are accurate for measuring distances.
So what's the difference between a mile measured, a mile calculated assuming a flat Earth, and a mile calculated assuming a round Earth? Is there an appreciable difference in any of these factors? You are plainly claiming there is, or there wouldn't be a point of contention here. So? What is it, or how do you know there is one large enough to matter?

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Re: Why is there no flat earth map?
« Reply #59 on: March 15, 2018, 06:19:22 PM »
Mathematics. You never did those sort of equations in middle school math classes?

An estimate based on mathematics would require knowledge of all variables involved.

The distance is unknown in this excercise; and ships and planes don't know how fast they are traveling, except in reference to an external coordinate system that assumes a Round Earth.

How far are you comfortable measuring? Are american football fields 100 yards long, or are we not sure?

Football fields are measured with wheeled devices, which are accurate for measuring distances.

So you are confident that we know distances across land, but not water?

Is the length of the transatlantic cable (2,226 miles) in question?

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Transatlantic_telegraph_cable