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Re: Trump
« Reply #7620 on: December 10, 2020, 05:26:28 PM »
Its fun watching Tom tout a person's credentials as solid proof they can't be manipulated, corrupt, or wrong.
If you are going to DebOOonK an expert then you have to at least provide a source with credentials of equal or greater relevance. Even then, it merely shows that some experts disagree with each other.

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« Reply #7621 on: December 10, 2020, 05:41:13 PM »
Attacking her on the first job she had doesn't make her not a constitutional expert. She is listed as specializing in Constitutional law on the website of an accredited university:

What DOES make her a constitutional expert, then? Merely listing herself as specialising in it does not make her an expert.

https://centennial.ccu.edu/staff-and-fellows/jenna-ellis/

"Jenna Ellis taught law, ethics, and leadership courses at Colorado Christian University from 2015-2018. She is a practicing attorney in criminal law and specializes in Constitutional law."

... but she has no formal qualification, specifically, in Constitutional Law, does she? She has a general degree in Law, which appears to include a small component of constitutional law amongst all the other fields, but apart from that ...


As well as other organizations:

https://www.falkirkcenter.com/our-team/jenna-ellis/

"Jenna Ellis is a constitutional law attorney and Senior Legal Adviser for Donald J. Trump for President, Inc. She is a Champion at the Falkirk Center at Liberty University and former law professor at Colorado Christian University. She is a Fellow at the Centennial Institute and author of 'The Legal Basis for a Moral Constitution.'"

Her team leader describing her as a such is not a formal qualification, nor recognition by her peers. Her book was self-published. The fact that she wrote some stuff down and published it herself does not make her a specialist, nor an expert.

EDIT - rebuttal, from her Wikipedia entry; note that the law degree does not appear to hold any specialism in constitutional law

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Ellis grew up in Colorado and was homeschooled by her parents. In 2003, she enrolled at Cedarville University, then transferred to the Colorado State University in order to study journalism. In 2011, she received a law degree from the University of Richmond School of Law.

Career

From 2012 to 2013, Ellis served as deputy district attorney in Weld County, Colorado. According to the Weld County District Attorney's office, Ellis worked in misdemeanor cases, including those relating to traffic. Her experience as a prosecutor also covered crimes such as assault and theft in state courts. Ellis was fired after around six months, which she attributed to her insistence that she would not prosecute a case she thought was unethical. Asked by The Wall Street Journal, the Weld County District Attorney's office declined to comment on the matter.

Ellis then went into private practice at law firms based in Northern Colorado. She defended clients in state courts in matters pertaining to assault, domestic abuse, prostitution, and theft. According to Ellis, she also worked in cases regarding immigration and tenancy. Records showed that Ellis took part in approximately 30 state court cases which began from 2012 or 2016, including one state appeals court case; this was described as a 'sparse record' by another Colorado lawyer interviewed by The Wall Street Journal. Court records do not show Ellis having taken part in election law cases, federal judiciary cases, or any cases in the United States district courts or courts of appeals before December 2020.

In 2013, Ellis worked for IE Discovery in one lawsuit involving a contract dispute. IE Discovery is a company which assists the U.S. Department of State in legal discovery matters. Ellis later claimed to have been an "attorney for the U.S. Department of State", though no records exist of her as a State Department employee.

In 2015, Ellis became an affiliate faculty member of Colorado Christian University, and later an assistant professor of legal studies, until her departure in 2018. In her tenure, Ellis taught political science and pre-law to undergraduates. The university does not have a law school.

That same year, Ellis self-published a book titled The Legal Basis for a Moral Constitution: A Guide for Christians to Understand America's Constitutional Crisis. She argued that the Constitution of the United States must only be interpreted according to the Bible. ...

In 2017, Ellis became a writer for the Washington Examiner, where she falsely claimed to have a history of being a "professor of constitutional law". Colorado Christian University does not have a constitutional law program.

As of December 2020, the Trump campaign and its allies have initiated around 50 election-related lawsuits; however, Ellis had not joined any of these lawsuits on paper or in court. This led Jeremy Peters and Alan Feuer of the New York Times to describe Ellis as mostly doing "public relations" work for the Trump campaign.

The phrase "padding out her resume" comes to mind...
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Re: Trump
« Reply #7622 on: December 10, 2020, 08:20:43 PM »
For conservative lawyers with a mainly conservative clientele, saying anything other than, "Yeah, Trump has this in the bag," would be career suicide.

Conservative...  what does that even mean anymore?

What'll happen when the Tom Bishops of the country realize that they stand for nothing but propping up a failed reality tv star?

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Re: Trump
« Reply #7623 on: December 10, 2020, 08:23:34 PM »
Not that it means much to the case, but 20 states have signed on as amicus for the defendants.  That's 3 better than the plaintiffs, so the defendants win.  At least that is Tom's logic at work.

EDIT: 22 States plus DC, biiiiiiiiitches.
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« Reply #7624 on: December 10, 2020, 09:06:02 PM »
For conservative lawyers with a mainly conservative clientele, saying anything other than, "Yeah, Trump has this in the bag," would be career suicide.

Conservative...  what does that even mean anymore?

What'll happen when the Tom Bishops of the country realize that they stand for nothing but propping up a failed reality tv star?

They never will.
They'll kill and die before that happens.
If you are going to DebOOonK an expert then you have to at least provide a source with credentials of equal or greater relevance. Even then, it merely shows that some experts disagree with each other.

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« Reply #7625 on: December 10, 2020, 10:49:13 PM »
https://www.cbsnews.com/news/arizona-republican-party-overturn-election-results-death/

Well, it starts. The Arizona Republican Party is literally trying to incite a civil war over Trump's win.
Dr. Frank is a physicist. He says it's impossible. So it's impossible.
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« Reply #7626 on: December 10, 2020, 10:59:05 PM »
https://www.cbsnews.com/news/arizona-republican-party-overturn-election-results-death/

Well, it starts. The Arizona Republican Party is literally trying to incite a civil war over Trump's win.

Yep.  Civil war would start right when Trump leaves, making Biden be forced to fight half of America on his first week.

The bigger question is: how loyal is the military to the country vs Trump?
If you are going to DebOOonK an expert then you have to at least provide a source with credentials of equal or greater relevance. Even then, it merely shows that some experts disagree with each other.

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Re: Trump
« Reply #7627 on: December 10, 2020, 10:59:55 PM »
https://www.cbsnews.com/news/arizona-republican-party-overturn-election-results-death/

Well, it starts. The Arizona Republican Party is literally trying to incite a civil war over Trump's win.

Yep.  Civil war would start right when Trump leaves, making Biden be forced to fight half of America on his first week.

The bigger question is: how loyal is the military to the country vs Trump?

Quite.  There have already been top generals saying they serve the country, not a man.

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« Reply #7628 on: December 10, 2020, 11:37:45 PM »
Speaking of Arizona, the legislature still hasn't declared their election contested, and it's not like they have the luxury of sitting on this explosive revelation for weeks or months when the inauguration is so close. Are you going to concede that you were wrong about this, Tom?
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« Reply #7629 on: December 11, 2020, 12:15:00 AM »
Speaking of Arizona, the legislature still hasn't declared their election contested, and it's not like they have the luxury of sitting on this explosive revelation for weeks or months when the inauguration is so close. Are you going to concede that you were wrong about this, Tom?

This is why I think it's particularly not worth arguing with him right now. Literally everything he's posted about since about a month before the election has fizzled away to nothing. It's not worth the frustration when reality is bound to pwn him sooner or later anyway.
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Re: Trump
« Reply #7630 on: December 11, 2020, 12:45:23 AM »
https://www.msnbc.com/rachel-maddow-show/trump-lawyers-switch-gears-claim-fraud-undetectable-n1250717

And the comedy of errors continues. We have massive evidence of fraud, so much we don't know what to do with it. But those nefarious Dems went and made it undetectable, so we just can't see it. But it's definitely there.   ::)
Dr. Frank is a physicist. He says it's impossible. So it's impossible.
My friends, please remember Tom said this the next time you fall into the trap of engaging him, and thank you. :)

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« Reply #7631 on: December 11, 2020, 12:48:46 AM »
https://www.msnbc.com/rachel-maddow-show/trump-lawyers-switch-gears-claim-fraud-undetectable-n1250717

And the comedy of errors continues. We have massive evidence of fraud, so much we don't know what to do with it. But those nefarious Dems went and made it undetectable, so we just can't see it. But it's definitely there.   ::)

That’s hilarious in a pathetic sort of way.

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« Reply #7632 on: December 11, 2020, 01:33:04 AM »
https://www.msnbc.com/rachel-maddow-show/trump-lawyers-switch-gears-claim-fraud-undetectable-n1250717

And the comedy of errors continues. We have massive evidence of fraud, so much we don't know what to do with it. But those nefarious Dems went and made it undetectable, so we just can't see it. But it's definitely there.   ::)

That’s hilarious in a pathetic sort of way.

No kidding

https://www.thegatewaypundit.com/2020/12/joe-biden-struggles-choreographed-remarks-video/

Joe Biden Struggles Through Choreographed Remarks… AGAIN (VIDEO)

Biden is literally brain dead and millions love a man who can't run a squirrel cage.
What kind of person would devote endless hours posting scientific facts trying to correct the few retards who believe in the FE? I slay shitty little demons.

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Re: Trump
« Reply #7633 on: December 11, 2020, 01:38:38 AM »
https://www.msnbc.com/rachel-maddow-show/trump-lawyers-switch-gears-claim-fraud-undetectable-n1250717

And the comedy of errors continues. We have massive evidence of fraud, so much we don't know what to do with it. But those nefarious Dems went and made it undetectable, so we just can't see it. But it's definitely there.   ::)

That’s hilarious in a pathetic sort of way.

No kidding

https://www.thegatewaypundit.com/2020/12/joe-biden-struggles-choreographed-remarks-video/

Joe Biden Struggles Through Choreographed Remarks… AGAIN (VIDEO)

Biden is literally brain dead and millions love a man who can't run a squirrel cage.

This is donnie's thread. Leave Joey nopulse out of it

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« Reply #7634 on: December 11, 2020, 02:14:25 AM »
Conservative...  what does that even mean anymore?

An actual conservative would not want the federal government remotely involved in telling states how they have to run their elections.

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Re: Trump
« Reply #7635 on: December 11, 2020, 10:46:56 AM »
Joe Biden Struggles Through Choreographed Remarks… AGAIN (VIDEO)

Biden is literally brain dead and millions love a man who can't run a squirrel cage.

I'd rather have a decent person (Biden, in case it isn't clear) who struggles a bit with his speech than an orange goblin (Trump, in case of any doubt) who doesn't give a sh*t for the lives of thousands.....
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« Reply #7636 on: December 11, 2020, 12:40:53 PM »
Conservative...  what does that even mean anymore?

An actual conservative would not want the federal government remotely involved in telling states how they have to run their elections.

But the people pressing this law suit will unironically call their detractors RINOs

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« Reply #7637 on: December 11, 2020, 01:48:03 PM »
Conservative...  what does that even mean anymore?

An actual conservative would not want the federal government remotely involved in telling states how they have to run their elections.

But the people pressing this law suit will unironically call their detractors RINOs

And in another layer of meta-irony, Trump is the fake conservative.

Everything about him is as fake as his orange tan.

He is not rich, he's almost a billion dollars in debt.
He is not successful, the majority of businesses he's been associated with have failed. The ones that didn't fail are now collateral to foreign banks.
He is not a conservative, he's a New York Democrat. He spent years supporting Hillary and helping her defeat conservatives in the Senate
He doesn't give a crap about gun rights, that pussy has probably never discharged a firearm in his life.
He doesn't give a crap about right to life. It was never an issue for him and Hillary.
He's not trying to reduce the influence of government. He's tried to control every element of the government, the courts and the media.

But the dumbasses who believe his bullshit will kill and die for this loser.
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Re: Trump
« Reply #7638 on: December 11, 2020, 02:54:59 PM »
https://www.businessinsider.com/donald-trump-loser-of-the-year-der-spiegel-magazine-time-2020-12

Parallel to Biden and Harris being named Person of the Year by Time, Europe's biggest business magazine has named Trump Loser of the Year.  :D
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Re: Trump
« Reply #7639 on: December 11, 2020, 06:03:55 PM »
https://www.businessinsider.com/donald-trump-loser-of-the-year-der-spiegel-magazine-time-2020-12

Parallel to Biden and Harris being named Person of the Year by Time, Europe's biggest business magazine has named Trump Loser of the Year.  :D

Hey, he's not the loser of the year...hes just the most biggly non- winner. Now get the man his damn cofefve!