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Philosophy, Religion & Society / Re: FL GOP are homophobic crybabies
« on: January 28, 2022, 06:56:22 PM »
Who said Ivermectin was "life saving"? And who said the scenario was an "emergency situation"?

That's the purpose of the case in the link to determine.

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You didn't answer the question. Who is "forcing" these physicians to do things that go against their conscience?

I'm not aware of any law forcing doctors to do things against their conscience. The bill upholds their current right to decline from providing services they believe is unethical. Rama Set disagrees with the bill and wants to force doctors to do things which go against their conscience. Can you tell me why he's right and why doctors should be compelled by the law to provide what they believe to be unethical services?

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Philosophy, Religion & Society / Re: FL GOP are homophobic crybabies
« on: January 28, 2022, 06:27:07 PM »
Why should they be forced by law to provide it...A curious contradiction...

Florida teacher at center of ivermectin lawsuit dies of COVID; husband says 'name a law after her'

Tamara Drock, 47, of Loxahatchee, Florida, died 12 weeks after being admitted to Palm Beach Gardens Medical Center for treatment. Her husband, Ryan Drock, sued the hospital last month in an attempt to require it to administer ivermectin, a drug approved by the FDA only to treat conditions caused by parasitic worms but not COVID-19.

I guess with a bill such as this, the hospital wouldn't get sued for not administering Ivermectin, or it would simply be dismissed. Right?

The bill is pretty clear that it doesn't apply to life threatening emergency situations, so if the court determines that the hospital is purposely denying life saving drugs to people they should be held accountable:

https://www.wesh.com/article/florida-bill-doctors-decline-service/38890098?fbclid=IwAR2Ab9VgHtfyOuBIFbbN5c-cL2KqS4jemL2xcb5_5sIegw4-9BJfIsnqhJ8#

    "If I went into an ER, and someone felt like they, for some reason, didn't want to provide me a service, because it went against their conscience, is that a possibility?" Hope asked.

    "Absolutely not. There's again, very clear guidance that talks about the duty for a health care provider to act in an emergency situation," Snyder said.

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In any case, who is forcing doctors to prescribe/administer euthanasia drugs, hormone therapy, puberty blockers, abortion pills, etc.?

The bill wants to uphold the right of the doctor to use their conscience to treat patients.

I've been asking Rama Set and others who disagree with the bill for the reasoning of forcing doctors to provide services they believe is unethical, but there is a resounding silence here.

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Philosophy, Religion & Society / Re: FL GOP are homophobic crybabies
« on: January 28, 2022, 11:26:00 AM »
Are you claiming that being against abortion is solely a personal choice and has no basis in medical science? Unless you are doing that, then you’re simply parroting GOP wedge issues and not engaging with what I said.

Okay, so you concede. You think that doctors shouldn't be forced to provide abortion drugs.

Now can you tell us why a doctor should be forced to prescribe anything they don't feel is ethical to prescribe? Why should the law force them to do anything?

Euthanasia drugs, hormone therapy, puberty blockers, drugs the doctor feels is inappropriate; why should they be forced by the law to provide it?

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You never answered the question.
What.  Should.  The.  Cashier.  Do?
Its a pretty simple question.  He either sells it, doesn't sell it, or quits his job.  Those are his choices.  And if you have moral issues selling alcohol... Why did you apply for a job that would require you to do it?

As for the clinic...
Did the clinic know before hand?  Is it a clinic that handles abortion based medical services?
Basically: is there a possibility that abortion pill prescription would come up at this clinic when said doctor applied for the job?

Also: if he doesn't do his job, the clinic should be allowed to fire him.  Just like every other job if someone refuses to do a legal part of it.

This scenario isn't analogous to this bill. Employees are generally hired at the discretion of the employer. The employer generally has the power of buying (hiring) what they like, just like you have the power of buying the things that you like. You have the power of going to another employer, like the employer has the power of hiring someone else. The employer can fire the worker refusing to sell alcohol, I agree. If the markets weren't free enough to where you didn't have the power of going to another employer, and we were all forced to work for Safeway and Costco, there might be enough support for a law against employers requiring workers to sell alcohol and other vices, and the company would have to make alcohol checkout lanes or sell it online.

In this case the bill was about the law forcing doctors to provide services that they didn't want to provide, which is different than the requirements of an employer in a free market.

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Philosophy, Religion & Society / Re: FL GOP are homophobic crybabies
« on: January 27, 2022, 10:39:38 AM »
And another thread derailed...
Really need to stop feeding this troll.

We're actually still talking about a GOP Florida bill. If you don't have anything to contribute to the thread I would suggest not posting.

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Philosophy, Religion & Society / Re: FL GOP are homophobic crybabies
« on: January 27, 2022, 10:32:50 AM »
Rama Set insists that doctors should be forced to provide medical services regardless of their conscientious or ethical beliefs. Why should a doctor be forced to provide abortion pills when they feel it goes against their oath as a doctor?

Nope. You’re showing your delusion again. I’ve never mentioned abortion, except referencing your pathetic trolls.

You posted an article called "Florida bill would allow doctors to decline services based on their conscience" and said "This is such an unbelievably stupid bill no matter your political leanings" as well as "A doctor putting their personal beliefs above the medical needs of a patient is not fulfilling their oath as a doctor. It’s simple." and "What I don’t want is a doctor not to treat someone based on a non-medical issue. "

But now you don't want to talk about doctors denying abortion pills based on their conscience.

How unsurprising that you can't defend examples of your bad argument.

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Philosophy, Religion & Society / Re: FL GOP are homophobic crybabies
« on: January 27, 2022, 06:46:05 AM »
Rama Set insists that doctors should be forced to provide medical services regardless of their conscientious or ethical beliefs. Why should a doctor be forced to provide abortion pills when they feel it goes against their oath as a doctor?

If a cashier at an alcohol shop feels its unethical to sell alcohol, what should they do?

I don't think the law should force anyone to sell alcohol if they don't want to. Nor should the alcohol store be obligated to hire them.

In this case the clinic is fine with hiring a doctor who won't prescribe abortion pills. The argument is whether the law should force doctors to provide medical services regardless of their personal beliefs. Why should the law get involved to force the doctor to provide abortion pills?

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Philosophy, Religion & Society / Re: FL GOP are homophobic crybabies
« on: January 27, 2022, 06:24:27 AM »
Rama Set insists that doctors should be forced to provide medical services regardless of their conscientious or ethical beliefs. Why should a doctor be forced to provide abortion pills when they feel it goes against their oath as a doctor?

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Philosophy, Religion & Society / Re: FL GOP are homophobic crybabies
« on: January 27, 2022, 05:21:11 AM »
There are clinics who provide more services than just giving out abortions and abortion pills.

https://www.wbur.org/news/2019/05/23/primary-care-abortion-medication-pills

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Dr. Kerry Pound, a Salem pediatrician on the board of Massachusetts Citizens for Life, says medication abortions may appeal to some doctors because they take effect in the privacy of a patient's home.

"But I do think, at the end of the day, most physicians are a little uncomfortable with abortion," she says, "because we go into medicine to really support life and patient health, and at the end of the day, there is a life that's being ended."

And for some, she says, it could be hard even to work in a practice where medication abortions are offered.

"I think I, myself, as a pro-life physician, that would be very difficult for me," she says. "To think that my patients may go over to another doctor in order to obtain an abortion would probably be a deal-breaker for me to work in that practice, to be honest."

Two doctors work in the same clinic. One hands out abortion pills and the other doesn't.

The one who doesn't says that she took an oath to protect life, etc.

Why should the law force doctors who don't want to provide abortion pills compromise their ethical beliefs as a doctor?

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Philosophy, Religion & Society / Re: FL GOP are homophobic crybabies
« on: January 27, 2022, 03:46:11 AM »
A doctor putting their personal beliefs above the medical needs of a patient is not fulfilling their oath as a doctor. It’s simple.

It's not a personal belief that fetuses are living. It's a medical fact. The doctor took an oath to protect life. The doctor refuses to give abortion pills. Why is he or she wrong?

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Philosophy, Religion & Society / Re: FL GOP are homophobic crybabies
« on: January 27, 2022, 02:41:33 AM »
If doctors can refuse service because of what they think is a chance at increased survability, then they can refuse service to provide abortion pills for increased survivability of what they think as a baby.

Please explain why you are not an utter hypocrite for thinking otherwise. You are picking and choosing which doctor can choose what services he wants to ethically provide.

Nice strawman. You brought up abortion, no one else.

The article you linked says that the bill is advocating for doctors to choose to provide service based on their conscience:

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But what about their conscience?

"Another way that conscience has been defined is that inner voice that someone uses to distinguish between right and wrong," Republican Florida House Rep. John Snyder said.

You say this is wrong. So you need to defend that.

Why shouldn't they be able to decline providing abortion pills if they can decline to provide heart transplants for the unvaccinated?

Why should doctors be forced to provide services to do something they think is unethical?

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Philosophy, Religion & Society / Re: FL GOP are homophobic crybabies
« on: January 27, 2022, 02:26:19 AM »
If doctors can refuse service because of what they think is a chance at increased survability, then they can refuse service to provide abortion pills for increased survivability of what they think as a baby.

Please explain why you are not an utter hypocrite for thinking otherwise. You are picking and choosing which doctor can choose what services he wants to ethically provide.

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Philosophy, Religion & Society / Re: FL GOP are homophobic crybabies
« on: January 27, 2022, 02:11:39 AM »
Anyway, what the fuck does this have to do with what I posted? Refusing transplants to unvaccinated people is normal since they have to take immunosuppressants and they want the organ to go to person who will survive.

So you want doctors to favor transplants based on what they think as increased organ recipient survivability, but you don't want them to favor what they think are babies for increased survivability.

How incredibly hypocritical and flawed.

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Philosophy, Religion & Society / Re: FL GOP are homophobic crybabies
« on: January 27, 2022, 01:55:09 AM »
I guess Florida hadn’t filled up that dumb shaped hole in their heart:

https://www.wesh.com/article/florida-bill-doctors-decline-service/38890098?fbclid=IwAR2Ab9VgHtfyOuBIFbbN5c-cL2KqS4jemL2xcb5_5sIegw4-9BJfIsnqhJ8#

This is such an unbelievably stupid bill no matter your political leanings.

 ::)

Yeah, here's over 10,000 liberals cheering on a hospital for refusing a heart transplant for an unvaccinated man.

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Philosophy, Religion & Society / Re: President Joe Biden
« on: January 25, 2022, 05:06:37 AM »
lol @ actually arguing that a bridge can have no weight restrictions. Incorrect.

Yeah, poor communication from Joe there, telling us that we just need to remove weight restriction on bridges to solve our supply chain woes.

I would say that it's also pretty funny that the leader of the nation thinks we need to fix bridge capacity when reading reports of empty store shelves and food shortages, but really it's pretty horrific.

I find that it's more likely that Biden is fulfilling his promise he made here of "I've done dumb things and I'll do dumb things again"


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Philosophy, Religion & Society / Re: President Joe Biden
« on: January 25, 2022, 04:04:57 AM »
So he thinks that a bridge can be upgraded to have no weight restrictions in the tweet I posted? Sounds pretty idiotic to me.

This what happens when you elect a senile old president who plagiarized coursework in law school, managing to graduate at the bottom of his class.

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Philosophy, Religion & Society / Re: President Joe Biden
« on: January 25, 2022, 12:16:00 AM »
The idiot Joe Biden thinks that bridges shouldn't have weight restrictions. His idea to solve supply chain issues is to bypass the bridge weight restrictions put in place by the engineers who designed the bridge.


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Philosophy, Religion & Society / Re: Coronavirus Vaccine and You
« on: January 24, 2022, 02:23:15 AM »
Yep. So what?

If you don't have anything to contribute please refrain from posting.

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Philosophy, Religion & Society / Re: Britain's Pedo Prince
« on: January 23, 2022, 11:21:44 PM »

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Philosophy, Religion & Society / Re: Coronavirus Vaccine and You
« on: January 23, 2022, 09:43:45 PM »
Dr. Fauci says you may need to get a fourth jab soon.


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