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Philosophy, Religion & Society / Re: President Joe Biden
« on: October 08, 2021, 10:26:19 AM »
You seriously think that the fact he's not actually having the booster in the White House (if that's what that is supposed to be) is a real zinger?

OK, dude...
The question is simple.

Why the set?

How on earth would you possibly know that isn't the White House?

Why wouldn't he get the booster in the White House?

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Philosophy, Religion & Society / Re: President Joe Biden
« on: October 08, 2021, 10:18:32 AM »
Remember the green screen presser outside? They are now just building sets.
Literally no idea what point you think you're making here.
Are you claiming they were trying to be deceptive? Pretty dumb to invite the press if so.
Did they show the area to be a set on TV when broadcasting the "booster shot?"

What do you think staged sets are for?

I am sure you have no idea as usual, but I think you would have been catching up somewhat in the past few years.

There is still hope.

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Philosophy, Religion & Society / Re: President Joe Biden
« on: October 08, 2021, 07:16:06 AM »
Remember the green screen presser outside? They are now just building sets. Joe Biden is not running the country.

Yeah, I remember...





And comedians making cracks about the Biden booster shot theatrics, definitely funny. Kind of a leap to say he's not running the country based upon comedy. Basically an odd illogical non sequitur on your part.
So, according to you, Joe demanded the set to be built for the photo op.

LMMFAO!

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Philosophy, Religion & Society / Re: President Joe Biden
« on: October 08, 2021, 05:04:47 AM »
Remember the green screen presser outside? They are now just building sets. Joe Biden is not running the country.

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Philosophy, Religion & Society / Re: Coronavirus Vaccine and You
« on: October 06, 2021, 03:49:07 PM »
In real news :

Another video by a different doctor regarding molnupiravir results:



@sandokhan

Does this video depict an accurate, detailed description of this antiviral?

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Suggestions & Concerns / Re: Can't log into wiki
« on: October 06, 2021, 12:17:28 PM »
You do not need to "log in" to the wiki.

The links are available to you.

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Philosophy, Religion & Society / Re: Coronavirus Vaccine and You
« on: October 06, 2021, 10:52:28 AM »
Here is a doctor speaking on the new antiviral and comparing it to ivermectin

Here is the link to the paper, along with the abstract:
https://austinpublishinggroup.com/pharmacology-therapeutics/fulltext/ajpt-v9-id1149.pdf
Abstract - The pharmacology of anti-SARS-CoV-2 drugs, Molnupiravir (M) and repurposed Ivermectin (IV) were compared. The IC50 for the inhibition of viral replication were 0.3µM for M and 2.8µM for IV. Both drugs have good oral absorption, with M achieving peak plasma concentrations by 2 hours and IV by 5 hours. The plasma half life were 7 hours for M and 81-91 hours for IV. M inhibits viral replication inducing viral mutagenesis in RdRp, causing viral error catastrophe and viral extinction. IV affects viral cell entry, nuclear transport and inhibits replication via RdRp. IV has additional effect to suppress cytokine production through STAT-3 inhibition. M is a more potent antiviral drug and IV has a longer residence in the body. Their effects on RdRp and cytokine inhibition are potentially complimentary for anti-COVID-19 activity. Both IV and M should be compared in randomized controlled clinical trials, and the possibility of their combination for anti-SARS-CoV-2 antiviral actions, explored further.

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Philosophy, Religion & Society / Re: Coronavirus Vaccine and You
« on: October 05, 2021, 05:05:32 PM »
I certainly concur with the relating of the snake and the tree of knowledge allegory.

That is, after all, where we derived the rod of Asclepius.

Also a depiction of DNA.

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Philosophy, Religion & Society / Re: Coronavirus Vaccine and You
« on: October 05, 2021, 11:58:17 AM »
Lethal antibodies: REGN10987 and B38

https://assets.researchsquare.com/files/rs-612103/v2_covered.pdf?c=1623875739

Pathogenic antibodies induced by spike proteins of
COVID-19 and SARS-CoV viruses

https://web.archive.org/web/20210901043025/https://www.theepochtimes.com/why-is-covid-so-severe_3970589.html

https://web.archive.org/web/20210901062152/https://www.nature.com/articles/d41586-021-00149-1 (rogue antibodies)

However, the immune system will also produce isomeric REGN10987 and B38 antibodies in response to the cmRNA vaccines.
Define "cmRNA," please.

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Philosophy, Religion & Society / Re: Coronavirus Vaccine and You
« on: October 05, 2021, 11:57:05 AM »
I'm positive you have the stats to support the statement that seatbelts did not reduce deaths
Look it up yourself.

Don't take my word for it.

The trendline for number of motor vehicle fatalities has remained relatively unchanged over the past 70 years.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Motor_vehicle_fatality_rate_in_U.S._by_year
Well, when you're right, you're right.
33,186 deaths in 1950, 36,56 in 2018.
Case closed!


...except of course you're ignoring that over that period car use went up 7 times and the population more than doubled.
And you're ignoring the big rise in deaths from 1950 to 1980 which has been going down ever since despite the continued increase in population and car usage. Are seatbelts solely responsible for that? No, cars have got safer in lot of other ways too with better design and testing. But it's undoubtably a factor

I can't tell if you're just being dishonest here or are terrible at analysing data.
I ignored nothing and was dishonest about nothing.

You, like the other, offer up some idiotic comparison between the legislated use of seatbelts and dictatorial mandates concerning medical treatment, as if it is somehow relevant.

It isn't somehow relevant, never will be somehow relevant, and I gave it the non-relevant treatment it deserved.

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Philosophy, Religion & Society / Re: Coronavirus Vaccine and You
« on: October 04, 2021, 05:24:34 PM »
Seatbelts did not reduce deaths.

That trendline has remained relatively steady over the past 70 years.

I'm positive you have the stats to support the statement that seatbelts did not reduce deaths
Look it up yourself.

Don't take my word for it.

The trendline for number of motor vehicle fatalities has remained relatively unchanged over the past 70 years.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Motor_vehicle_fatality_rate_in_U.S._by_year

https://www.statista.com/statistics/184607/deaths-by-motor-vehicle-related-injuries-in-the-us-since-1950/
No.
Also:
"From 1979 to 2005, the number of deaths per year decreased 14.97% while the number of deaths per capita decreased by 35.46%"

Its at this point that i see now that you are a waste of space on this forum.  If something as simple and universally agreed upon as seatbelts is beyond you, then what hope do you have at anything more complex like viruses and vaccines?  No... You can't be reasoned with.  Your mind is like a rock: impenetrable.  What is there can never be changed or removed.  You will never know anything more than what you knew before.  You will never change.   So off to ignore you go.
Great, terrific.

What I stated is fact.

The trendline for fatalities has remained consistent over 70 years.

Comparing seatblets to vaccination is just one big heaping dung pile of reasoning that is as idiotic as can be.

Per capita death rate is not necessarily attributable to seatbelt use.

Could just as well be less drug and alcohol use behind the wheel.

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Philosophy, Religion & Society / Re: Coronavirus Vaccine and You
« on: October 04, 2021, 05:11:13 PM »
I'm positive you have the stats to support the statement that seatbelts did not reduce deaths
Look it up yourself.

Don't take my word for it.

The trendline for number of motor vehicle fatalities has remained relatively unchanged over the past 70 years.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Motor_vehicle_fatality_rate_in_U.S._by_year

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Philosophy, Religion & Society / Re: Coronavirus Vaccine and You
« on: October 04, 2021, 03:47:59 PM »
Israel never got to 96%.  Their highest was like 75% of eligable people. ( So anyone under 18 is not counted)
In one hospital in Israel, it was 96 percent.

Do yourself and everybody else a huge freaking favor and just stop posting. You cannot even read for christ's sake.

Ah, you're right.  Appologies.

Which makes the post less concerning.  We know it was the delta varient.  We know people can still get sick.
But 16% transmission rate in a hospital is not bad for it.  30% for unvaxxed people tho.  Thats pretty big, no?  Double.
Demonstrating your fauz apology to be a faux apology is typical.

What part of "a difference that doesn’t reach statistical significance because the unvaccinated group is too small," eludes you?

No difference in viral load either.

Makes one wonder why the huge push for making this vaccine mandatory.

If you get it, it doesn't prevent you from catching the disease or spreading the virus.

If you get the virus, you will maintain the same viral load.
The answer is rather simple isn't it?
To reduce the risk of serious symptoms if you get it.  (PPE is to reduce the risk of getting it)

Lets say 2/100 people who get corona have to go to the hospital.  Of those 2, one requires a ventelator.  And half the time they die.
So you have a .5% chance of death. 
Your local hospital services 100,000 people(so 100k people live nearby) and has 10 beds for ventelator patients.

If 50% of people get sick, 25,000 people will be hospitalized.  12,500 will require ventelators.  6,250 will die.

Even if this happens over a year, that hospital is going to run out of ventelators.  People will die from lack of care.

But if we can reduce the hospitalization down 75% with the vaccine, we have a much better chance.  And thats the point.


To put it another way...

You sound like people who fought against seatbelts in the 70s.  Did they prevent all deaths?  No.  Did they cause issues like being trapped in your car?  Sometimes, yes.  Did it help reduce deaths?  Yes.  Add in crumple zones, air bags, and other safety features and deaths just keep dropping. 

And that is the point.
Seatbelts did not reduce deaths.

That trendline has remained relatively steady over the past 70 years.

Deaths do not keep on dropping.

If you really wanted to reduce fatalities in any form of accident, helmets would be made mandatory regardless of the method of travel.

Wearing a mask does not reduce the chances of getting the virus.

That is the biggest line of bullshit ever uttered here on this forum.

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Philosophy, Religion & Society / Re: Coronavirus Vaccine and You
« on: October 04, 2021, 12:01:32 PM »
Israel never got to 96%.  Their highest was like 75% of eligable people. ( So anyone under 18 is not counted)
In one hospital in Israel, it was 96 percent.

Do yourself and everybody else a huge freaking favor and just stop posting. You cannot even read for christ's sake.

Ah, you're right.  Appologies.

Which makes the post less concerning.  We know it was the delta varient.  We know people can still get sick.
But 16% transmission rate in a hospital is not bad for it.  30% for unvaxxed people tho.  Thats pretty big, no?  Double.
Demonstrating your fauz apology to be a faux apology is typical.

What part of "a difference that doesn’t reach statistical significance because the unvaccinated group is too small," eludes you?

No difference in viral load either.

Makes one wonder why the huge push for making this vaccine mandatory.

If you get it, it doesn't prevent you from catching the disease or spreading the virus.

If you get the virus, you will maintain the same viral load.

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Philosophy, Religion & Society / Re: Coronavirus Vaccine and You
« on: October 04, 2021, 10:00:20 AM »
Israel never got to 96%.  Their highest was like 75% of eligable people. ( So anyone under 18 is not counted)
In one hospital in Israel, it was 96 percent.

Do yourself and everybody else a huge freaking favor and just stop posting. You cannot even read for christ's sake.

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Philosophy, Religion & Society / Re: Coronavirus Vaccine and You
« on: October 03, 2021, 08:37:58 PM »
Whether you're vaccinated or not, you're gonna get the virus. Fauci admits there is no good answer as to why people with prior infection need the jab:

It's the same question for you and Tom over and over with no good answer. How fucked up would the world around you have to get before you would cooperate with and enforce public measures to curtail the spread of a threat? Aren't you really saying that nothing would ever make you submit to the socialist horror and subjugation of wearing a mask?

Generally, some have suggested enacting mandates based on local health care infrastructure capacity getting over run by a certain percent. Others (nobody round here) suggest mandates be enacted upon double digit mortality rates.

Just tell us, "I'll wear a mask when you put it on my cold dead body."
I'll wear a mask when manufacturers state on the packaging that wearing the mask is an effective measure in prevention and transmission of the virus.

All of your BS, and make no mistake for it's a HUGE amount, is worthless.

Name one expert that says we can vaccinate our way out of a pandemic.

Otherwise, all of your provisions here in this forum are as useful as a braying jackass.

Wait wait wait...
You want it on the package?  That's it?!
Geeze... you're easy to please. 

I mean, if it says its an certain level of protection, do you really need it to say "Is 99% effective at preventing the transmission of viruses when used properly"?  Like a condom says?  Becasue if so... I'm sure we can find a box.
Okay, find one.

Make sure it is also designed for common use areas and non-sterile environments.

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Philosophy, Religion & Society / Re: Coronavirus Vaccine and You
« on: October 03, 2021, 07:19:01 PM »
https://arstechnica.com/science/2021/10/meet-molnupiravir-mercks-thor-inspired-pill-that-hammers-covid/

Tom bishop, what's your opinion of this? I'm genuinely curious as to what an antivaxxer thinks of this new treatment.
If you want an anti-vaxxer opinion,  you should probably ask Roundy or AATW.

I think it's terrific.

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Philosophy, Religion & Society / Re: Coronavirus Vaccine and You
« on: October 03, 2021, 07:17:00 PM »
Whether you're vaccinated or not, you're gonna get the virus. Fauci admits there is no good answer as to why people with prior infection need the jab:

It's the same question for you and Tom over and over with no good answer. How fucked up would the world around you have to get before you would cooperate with and enforce public measures to curtail the spread of a threat? Aren't you really saying that nothing would ever make you submit to the socialist horror and subjugation of wearing a mask?

Generally, some have suggested enacting mandates based on local health care infrastructure capacity getting over run by a certain percent. Others (nobody round here) suggest mandates be enacted upon double digit mortality rates.

Just tell us, "I'll wear a mask when you put it on my cold dead body."
I'll wear a mask when manufacturers state on the packaging that wearing the mask is an effective measure in prevention and transmission of the virus.

All of your BS, and make no mistake for it's a HUGE amount, is worthless.

Name one expert that says we can vaccinate our way out of a pandemic.

Otherwise, all of your provisions here in this forum are as useful as a braying jackass.

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Philosophy, Religion & Society / Re: President Joe Biden
« on: October 02, 2021, 11:36:59 PM »
Mr. Popular!

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Philosophy, Religion & Society / Re: Coronavirus Vaccine and You
« on: October 02, 2021, 11:23:56 PM »
Whether you're vaccinated or not, you're gonna get the virus. Fauci admits there is no good answer as to why people with prior infection need the jab:

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