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Philosophy, Religion & Society / Re: Bye Bye Abortion
« on: Today at 12:33:28 PM »
The bolded bit of SB 1257 is interesting. Example, if a physician determines that a woman is suicidal because of her rape or incest derived pregnancy and believes she will attempt suicide because of the pregnancy and s/he performs an abortion based upon that, that physician will be charged with a Class C felony.
It seems to delineate the duties of a physician and a psychiatrist.

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Philosophy, Religion & Society / Re: Bye Bye Abortion
« on: August 07, 2022, 08:44:24 PM »
Abortion isn't even banned yet, is it?

Will be in Tennessee in a couple of weeks:

Abortion in Tennessee will be illegal from fertilization beginning August 25, 2022, thirty days after the Tennessee Attorney General notified the Tennessee Code Commission that Roe v. Wade was overturned on June 24, 2022,[1][2][3][4] a notification that occurred on July 26, 2022.
Oh, so the Indiana thing is just fake news, right?

And even then, abortion will not be banned or even illegal in Tennessee.

When does fertilization occur?

The Tennessee trigger law bans all abortions (Including rape and incest) with the exception of Dr. proven threat to life of the mother.

SECTION 2. Tennessee Code Annotated, Title 39, Chapter 15, Part 2, is amended by adding the following as a new section:
(2) "Fertilization" means that point in time when a male human sperm penetrates the zona pellucida of a female human ovum;


If you want to play semantics...

ban /ban/
noun
1: an official or legal prohibition.

prohibition /ˌprō(h)əˈbiSH(ə)n/
noun
1: the act of prohibiting by authority. 2 : an order to restrain or stop. 3 often capitalized : the forbidding by law of the manufacture, transportation, and sale of alcoholic liquors except for medicinal and sacramental purposes.


"Bans" can include "exceptions".
Abortion is not banned, however.

Neither is the sale of alcohol.

Performance of either is restricted, not banned.

Both have been and will continue to be.

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Philosophy, Religion & Society / Re: Bye Bye Abortion
« on: August 07, 2022, 08:40:18 PM »
The word ban does not = the term, "limited exceptions," does it?
Are you being pedantic or just trolling?  Either way, you aren't adding anything to the discussion (whatever it is by now).

BTW, I said abortion is banned with limited exceptions.
I am not being pedantic.

If one states, "There are limited exceptions allowing for abortions," that statement is clear and meaningful.

Adding the word "banned" is actually pedantic.

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Philosophy, Religion & Society / Re: Bye Bye Abortion
« on: August 07, 2022, 05:48:22 PM »
Abortion is not banned in the US, at all, period, end of sentence.
*sigh* Abortion is not banned at a federal level.  However, a number of states within the US do ban (legally forbid) abortion, with certain limited exceptions.  I'm not sure how you're unable (or, more likely, unwilling) to understand that.
The word ban does not = the term, "limited exceptions," does it?

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Philosophy, Religion & Society / Re: Bye Bye Abortion
« on: August 07, 2022, 04:54:04 PM »
Yes.  First after roe.
To put in simply... You can take a shit on Saturday, then on Monday say "this is my first shit since the new week began" while shitting in the morning.
The first is the first.

But thanks for confirming that Roe v Wade certainly did not deserve the "worship and adoration," it received from those "outraged," by its removal.
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And abortion is not banned.
Is in some places, yes.
Nah, not in the US.
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So, it isn't straight.

How is that hard to understand?
With the amount of mental gymnastics you do, I'm shocked you can't do a simple tumble.
No mental gymnastics here, just pointing out hyperbolic reporting and commentary.

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Philosophy, Religion & Society / Re: Bye Bye Abortion
« on: August 07, 2022, 04:02:32 PM »
Abortion isn't even banned yet, is it?
It has been in Ohio since 2019.
Abortion in Ohio is illegal after embryonic cardiac activity can be detected, which typically occurs around six weeks of pregnancy. On April 11, 2019, Ohio Governor Mike DeWine signed the Human Rights and Heartbeat Protection Act, which bans abortion in the state after an embryonic cardiac activity is detectable. On June 24, 2022, after the Supreme Court of the United States overturned Roe v. Wade, judge Michael R. Barrett lifted a preliminary injunction that had blocked state officials from enforcing the law against certain abortion providers, allowing the Human Rights and Heartbeat Protection Act to take full effect
I refer you back to the following:

The article you posted here in this post: https://forum.tfes.org/index.php?action=post;quote=269181;topic=19337.580;last_msg=269223

The definition of ban found here: https://www.merriam-webster.com/dictionary/ban

Abortion is not banned in the US, at all, period, end of sentence.

Also, if your claim was true, media is demonstrated to have no credibility, not worthy of respect.

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Philosophy, Religion & Society / Re: Bye Bye Abortion
« on: August 07, 2022, 09:05:04 AM »
Abortion isn't even banned yet, is it?

Will be in Tennessee in a couple of weeks:

Abortion in Tennessee will be illegal from fertilization beginning August 25, 2022, thirty days after the Tennessee Attorney General notified the Tennessee Code Commission that Roe v. Wade was overturned on June 24, 2022,[1][2][3][4] a notification that occurred on July 26, 2022.
Oh, so the Indiana thing is just fake news, right?

And even then, abortion will not be banned or even illegal in Tennessee.

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Philosophy, Religion & Society / Re: Bye Bye Abortion
« on: August 07, 2022, 09:03:50 AM »

And once again, you're wrong.

https://www.npr.org/2022/08/06/1116132623/indiana-becomes-1st-state-to-approve-abortion-ban-post-roe?t=1659802505593

To approve, post roe.  This means trigger laws put on the books prior as well as other restrictions, don't count.
Actually, I am right.
Oh my god!!!



Even the media cannot keep track of its narrative...
So, here the media was applying the word - BAN.

Yes.  It was a ban, passed as a trigger law in 2019.
Okay, thanks for confirming the media cannot get their story straight.

Its straight.
Laws were passed to ban abortion before and after the Roe reversal.  How is that hard to understand?
The word first is used when reporting.

And abortion is not banned.

So, it isn't straight.

How is that hard to understand?

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Philosophy, Religion & Society / Re: Bye Bye Abortion
« on: August 07, 2022, 04:59:19 AM »
Lackey has gone from this being the deep state reprogramming sheeple to complaining that the first ban passed after Roe v Wade was called the first ban after Roe v Wade. It’s a display of incompetence that may never be rivaled.
Labeling the obvious facts I share as incompetence is mildly humorous. Thanks for the chuckle.

I’m not labeling the facts you share as incompetence because that is nonsensical. I wonder what the next set of mental gymnastics you will attempt to perform to try and minimize the story of this girl, though. You’ve done a whole tumbling routine and fallen at every attempt.
Given the details of how the media has portrayed the issue, using hyperbole at every turn, it seems the tumbling routine comment is misdirected.

I am neither falling or failing here.

Abortion isn't even banned yet, is it?

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Philosophy, Religion & Society / Re: Bye Bye Abortion
« on: August 06, 2022, 08:18:32 PM »
Lackey has gone from this being the deep state reprogramming sheeple to complaining that the first ban passed after Roe v Wade was called the first ban after Roe v Wade. It’s a display of incompetence that may never be rivaled.
Labeling the obvious facts I share as incompetence is mildly humorous. Thanks for the chuckle.

You can only have one first.

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Philosophy, Religion & Society / Re: Bye Bye Abortion
« on: August 06, 2022, 06:52:18 PM »

And once again, you're wrong.

https://www.npr.org/2022/08/06/1116132623/indiana-becomes-1st-state-to-approve-abortion-ban-post-roe?t=1659802505593

To approve, post roe.  This means trigger laws put on the books prior as well as other restrictions, don't count.
Actually, I am right.
Oh my god!!!



Even the media cannot keep track of its narrative...
So, here the media was applying the word - BAN.

Yes.  It was a ban, passed as a trigger law in 2019.
Okay, thanks for confirming the media cannot get their story straight.


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Philosophy, Religion & Society / Re: Bye Bye Abortion
« on: August 06, 2022, 06:50:55 PM »
According to the media, Indiana is the first state to ban abortion, as of yesterday.

Meaning abortion wasn't banned in Ohio.
Because the Ohio heartbeat abortion law is vague enough that it was hard to know if the 10 year old would qualify for an exception.  The fact that Ohio looked at charging the Indiana doctor with a crime suggests that she probably would not have.
https://www.washingtonpost.com/politics/2022/07/14/what-ohio-law-says-about-10-year-old-rape-victim-abortion/
Posting an article that happens to quote the AG of Ohio stating the law is exactly the opposite of what you claim it to be really doesn't support your post.

In fact, it just lends further credence to the notion the whole story, to begin with, is just a pile of bull cookies, highlighting the fact there is no limit as to what the CIA/military/media/industrial complex will spew in an effort to achieve their idea of utopia.

But thanks anyway.
Even if it would have been legal in Ohio, what's the big deal about going to another state where abortion is still legal?
Yeah, what is the big deal?

Why did the media even put this report out if it is not that big of a deal?

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Philosophy, Religion & Society / Re: Bye Bye Abortion
« on: August 06, 2022, 04:33:58 PM »

And once again, you're wrong.

https://www.npr.org/2022/08/06/1116132623/indiana-becomes-1st-state-to-approve-abortion-ban-post-roe?t=1659802505593

To approve, post roe.  This means trigger laws put on the books prior as well as other restrictions, don't count.
Actually, I am right.
Oh my god!!!



Even the media cannot keep track of its narrative...
So, here the media was applying the word - BAN.

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Philosophy, Religion & Society / Re: Bye Bye Abortion
« on: August 06, 2022, 04:31:13 PM »
According to the media, Indiana is the first state to ban abortion, as of yesterday.

Meaning abortion wasn't banned in Ohio.
Because the Ohio heartbeat abortion law is vague enough that it was hard to know if the 10 year old would qualify for an exception.  The fact that Ohio looked at charging the Indiana doctor with a crime suggests that she probably would not have.
https://www.washingtonpost.com/politics/2022/07/14/what-ohio-law-says-about-10-year-old-rape-victim-abortion/
Posting an article that happens to quote the AG of Ohio stating the law is exactly the opposite of what you claim it to be really doesn't support your post.

In fact, it just lends further credence to the notion the whole story, to begin with, is just a pile of bull cookies, highlighting the fact there is no limit as to what the CIA/military/media/industrial complex will spew in an effort to achieve their idea of utopia.

But thanks anyway.

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Philosophy, Religion & Society / Re: Bye Bye Abortion
« on: August 06, 2022, 03:56:54 PM »
Aww did da bad word hurt your feelings?

I did watch your video by the way. It begs the question if you understand how time works or not. Please let us know.
Not at all.

Still refraining from profanity, the video actually begs the question as to whether or not you know how time works...

So, please, let us know.

Yeah. I gave you a timeline. Feel free to discuss it in detail. This law passing has no effect on the abortion done over a month before.

I take it back, maybe it’s entropy and not time that is giving you fits. So, just so you know, events in the present or future can not affect events in the past.
Now that you have posted the timeline, you can elucidate on how a person would or should travel from a state where, according to the media, abortion was not banned.

She travelled from Ohio to have an abortion in Indiana. You know that right?
According to the media, yes she did.

The question is why?

According to the media, Indiana is the first state to ban abortion, as of yesterday.

Meaning abortion wasn't banned in Ohio.

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Philosophy, Religion & Society / Re: Bye Bye Abortion
« on: August 06, 2022, 03:18:34 PM »
Aww did da bad word hurt your feelings?

I did watch your video by the way. It begs the question if you understand how time works or not. Please let us know.
Not at all.

Still refraining from profanity, the video actually begs the question as to whether or not you know how time works...

So, please, let us know.

Yeah. I gave you a timeline. Feel free to discuss it in detail. This law passing has no effect on the abortion done over a month before.

I take it back, maybe it’s entropy and not time that is giving you fits. So, just so you know, events in the present or future can not affect events in the past.
Now that you have posted the timeline, you can elucidate on how a person would or should travel from a state where, according to the media, abortion was not banned.

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Philosophy, Religion & Society / Re: Bye Bye Abortion
« on: August 06, 2022, 02:39:30 PM »
Aww did da bad word hurt your feelings?

I did watch your video by the way. It begs the question if you understand how time works or not. Please let us know.
Not at all.

Still refraining from profanity, the video actually begs the question as to whether or not you know how time works...

So, please, let us know.

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Philosophy, Religion & Society / Re: Bye Bye Abortion
« on: August 06, 2022, 11:58:16 AM »

One wonders why a 10-year old girl had to travel to Indiana from Ohio to have an abortion, if Indiana is the first state to ban abortion after Roe v Wade...

Segue to more defense of the obvious media spin...

Are you saying you don’t understand how time works?  Have you noticed the weeks separating her abortion and the passing of the law? Or did your YouTube overlord not tell you of the time-like separation of these events in space-time?

Just so you can’t deflect here is a brief timeline:

• an abortion performed on a ten year girl, victim of an alleged rape, was reported by the doctor on July 2nd, 2022
• For the next few weeks you made a series of poorly reasoned assertions attempting to poke holes in the story and failed
• August 6th, 2022 the Indiana legislature passed a law banning nearly all abortions.
• August 15th, 2022 the Indiana governor signs the law but even still, it does not come in to effect until September 15th, 2022.

So in short, what the fuck are you talking about?
Refraining from profanity (unlike you) and referring back to the post I made, dealing with how the media is treating and reporting on this topic.

Care to examine and comment, or not?

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Philosophy, Religion & Society / Re: Bye Bye Abortion
« on: August 06, 2022, 11:44:44 AM »
Oh my god!!!



Even the media cannot keep track of its narrative...

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Philosophy, Religion & Society / Re: Bye Bye Abortion
« on: August 06, 2022, 11:38:27 AM »

One wonders why a 10-year old girl had to travel to Indiana from Ohio to have an abortion, if Indiana is the first state to ban abortion after Roe v Wade...

Segue to more defense of the obvious media spin...

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