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Other Discussion Boards => Philosophy, Religion & Society => Topic started by: Action80 on June 10, 2023, 08:14:21 PM
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Given all we now know about the lies we were fed, why do we allow this bullcrap to continue?
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OLGsgVg5XoQ
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Never forget...
That the vaxxed damaged themselves for no reason.
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Never forget...
That the vaxxed damaged themselves for no reason.
Did we?
I feel fine. How am I damaged?
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Never forget...
That the vaxxed damaged themselves for no reason.
Did we?
I feel fine. How am I damaged?
All vaccines are subtle poisons. Which means they will affect every person differently.
But define "fine". Did/Do you feel like a million bucks every day since you took your injections?
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I feel immortal after my injections
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I feel immortal after my injections
You a slammer, huh?
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I feel a lot better than this anti vaxxer I know who almost died from covid. He's never been the same person.
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I feel a lot better than this anti vaxxer I know who almost died from covid. He's never been the same person.
Oh yea I'm sure you know Magufuli died from "covid" too.
All you have to do is believe it, facts don't matter.
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The vaccine was fine. We haven't been poisoned, sterilized, or harmed at all, and have fared far better against covid than the unvaxed. This isn't a "wait and see" thing. We've already waited and seen. You guys were wrong about the vaccine.
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The vaccine was fine. We haven't been poisoned, sterilized, or harmed at all, and have fared far better against covid than the unvaxed. This isn't a "wait and see" thing. We've already waited and seen. You guys were wrong about the vaccine.
Nope, I wasn't wrong because I was never behind the "wait and see" or the lethality argument (some people did die from it, though). I knew they were going to have plausible deniability in the eyes of the sheep just like with any vaccine.
If you think you haven't been "poisoned, sterilized, or harmed at all", that's your opinion. If you truly feel 100% and know that you are 100% fertile, you should be thankful because others weren't so lucky.
and have fared far better against covid than the unvaxed.
Just a lie.
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The vaccine was fine. We haven't been poisoned, sterilized, or harmed at all, and have fared far better against covid than the unvaxed. This isn't a "wait and see" thing. We've already waited and seen. You guys were wrong about the vaccine.
If you think you haven't been "poisoned, sterilized, or harmed at all", that's your opinion.
Not an opinion.
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Never forget...
That the vaxxed damaged themselves for no reason.
Did we?
I feel fine. How am I damaged?
All vaccines are subtle poisons. Which means they will affect every person differently.
But define "fine". Did/Do you feel like a million bucks every day since you took your injections?
I feel like an out of shape 40 year old.
Which is my definition of fine.
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The vaccine was fine. We haven't been poisoned, sterilized, or harmed at all, and have fared far better against covid than the unvaxed. This isn't a "wait and see" thing. We've already waited and seen. You guys were wrong about the vaccine.
Nope, I wasn't wrong because I was never behind the "wait and see" or the lethality argument. I knew they were going to have plausible deniability in the eyes of the sheep just like with any vaccine.
If you think you haven't been "poisoned, sterilized, or harmed at all", that's your opinion. If you truly feel 100% and know that you are 100% fertile, you should be thankful because others weren't so lucky.
and have fared far better against covid than the unvaxed.
Just a lie.
Fyi:
My wife and I are 100% fertile after the vaccine. I have a 1 month old to prove it.
The better question is: do you have someone who became i fertile without reason after the vaccine?
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The vaccine was fine. We haven't been poisoned, sterilized, or harmed at all, and have fared far better against covid than the unvaxed. This isn't a "wait and see" thing. We've already waited and seen. You guys were wrong about the vaccine.
If you think you haven't been "poisoned, sterilized, or harmed at all", that's your opinion.
Not an opinion.
Yes, it is an opinion, because if I get poisoned right now with anything, my body will react and it will get rid of the poison (or at least it will try). Therefore, if I didn't get harmed it's because my body did its job, not because I didn't get poisoned. That's also why vaccines are unneeded, even if they worked.
Fyi:
My wife and I are 100% fertile after the vaccine. I have a 1 month old to prove it.
The better question is: do you have someone who became i fertile without reason after the vaccine?
I didn't say infertile. 100% fertility is rare nowadays. There's a whole range between 0 and 100% fertility. The fact that you had a baby does not mean 100% fertility.
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The vaccine was fine. We haven't been poisoned, sterilized, or harmed at all, and have fared far better against covid than the unvaxed. This isn't a "wait and see" thing. We've already waited and seen. You guys were wrong about the vaccine.
If you think you haven't been "poisoned, sterilized, or harmed at all", that's your opinion.
Not an opinion.
Yes, it is an opinion, because if I get poisoned right now with anything, my body will react and it will get rid of the poison (or at least it will try). Therefore, if I didn't get harmed it's because my body did its job, not because I didn't get poisoned. That's also why vaccines are unneeded, even if they worked.
Whatever you want to think is fine, you can do what you want as far as I'm concerned, but what honk said was not an opinion. It was a statement of fact.
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Whatever you want to think is fine, you can do what you want as far as I'm concerned, but what honk said was not an opinion. It was a statement of fact.
Except it's not. That's why the pharmaceutical companies have literally paid billions over the years to vaccine-damaged people. For example through this program:
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/National_Vaccine_Injury_Compensation_Program
You thinking that your beliefs are factual is kinda cute. Especially considering all the info out there that contradicts your beliefs.
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Nobody claimed that all vaccines ever made have all been 100% safe and have never led to any adverse effects. Any common medical practice or procedure will occasionally result in adverse effects. That is not any kind of vindication for the conspiracy theorists who claimed that there was a sinister agenda behind the covid vaccine and that it would lead to widespread deaths, injuries, and sterility. It's been three years since the vaccine came out, and if it was supposed to do something bad to us, it would have taken effect by now, and on such a scale that it would be impossible not to recognize. Nothing of the sort happened. We're fine. Whatever bad thing the government might be planning for us, the covid vaccine simply wasn't it.
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The vaccine was fine. We haven't been poisoned, sterilized, or harmed at all, and have fared far better against covid than the unvaxed. This isn't a "wait and see" thing. We've already waited and seen. You guys were wrong about the vaccine.
If you think you haven't been "poisoned, sterilized, or harmed at all", that's your opinion.
Not an opinion.
Yes, it is an opinion, because if I get poisoned right now with anything, my body will react and it will get rid of the poison (or at least it will try). Therefore, if I didn't get harmed it's because my body did its job, not because I didn't get poisoned. That's also why vaccines are unneeded, even if they worked.
Fyi:
My wife and I are 100% fertile after the vaccine. I have a 1 month old to prove it.
The better question is: do you have someone who became i fertile without reason after the vaccine?
I didn't say infertile. 100% fertility is rare nowadays. There's a whole range between 0 and 100% fertility. The fact that you had a baby does not mean 100% fertility.
Ok you're gonna have to explain how one can be 50% fertile. What, is half my sperm dead or something?
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Nobody claimed that all vaccines ever made have all been 100% safe and have never led to any adverse effects. Any common medical practice or procedure will occasionally result in adverse effects. That is not any kind of vindication for the conspiracy theorists who claimed that there was a sinister agenda behind the covid vaccine and that it would lead to widespread deaths, injuries, and sterility. It's been three years since the vaccine came out, and if it was supposed to do something bad to us, we would have taken effect by now, and on such a scale that it would be impossible not to recognize. Nothing of the sort happened. We're fine. Whatever bad thing the government might be planning for us, the covid vaccine simply wasn't it.
So vaccines are not 100% safe, but miraculously all the COVID-related ones are? I am claiming that no vaccine is safe and I stand by that claim. Believing there is a 100% safe vaccine out there is hopeful ignorance, and also unscientific.
And, you are dead wrong that they did no damage. But people are largely in denial that it was the vaccines that caused their medical problems (or death of loved ones, in some cases) and blame anything else instead, including COVID. Not everybody, though, which means you are unaware of what's going on.
Ok you're gonna have to explain how one can be 50% fertile. What, is half my sperm dead or something?
You're gonna have to do a sperm count test to know that one. It's also supposed to analyze the quality and not just the quantity.
Also, probably unrelated to fertility, but I would check for blood clots if I were you. Not medical advice, though.
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So vaccines are not 100% safe, but miraculously all the COVID-related ones are?
No, there have been some rare side effects, iirc the most common was myocarditis, although the conspiracy theorists seem to really focus on the much rarer and less serious VTE/blood clots, which also occur at abnormal rates after going through COVID itself. Why did they focus on blood clots instead of the more obvious side effect? Who knows? Presumably the propagandists thought it was scarier/easier to spread FUD around.
I am claiming that no vaccine is safe and I stand by that claim. Believing there is a 100% safe vaccine out there is hopeful ignorance, and also unscientific.
I'm not sure you'll find anyone arguing for vaccines being 100% safe. They are simply, on the balance of probabilties, much safer than the diseases they mitigate. And when things do go wrong, the medical industry have a duty to provide appropriate compensation, thus providing them with an added incentive not to fuck up.
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Ok you're gonna have to explain how one can be 50% fertile. What, is half my sperm dead or something?
You're gonna have to do a sperm count test to know that one. It's also supposed to analyze the quality and not just the quantity.
Also, probably unrelated to fertility, but I would check for blood clots if I were you. Not medical advice, though.
1. Since I didn't get a sperm count pre-vaccine, this would be useless data. Not sure how you'd check my wife's fertility tho....
2. I'm hoping to bring it down to 0 in a year or less.
3. My doctor will check for clots if I develop symptoms. Also, blood clots exist pre-vaccine. FYI.
4. I'm not genetically at risk for covid blood clots. Those that are have a 1% chance of dying id they get covid after the vaccine and a 5% chance without the vaccine.
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They are simply, on the balance of probabilties, much safer than the diseases they mitigate.
You might want to start by reading this little book:
(https://i.imgur.com/Zj4FuyM.png)
You and any of the other vaxx believers here.
Also, blood clots exist pre-vaccine. FYI.
As did all the COVID symptoms pre-COVID. FYI.
I literally watched the flu disappear in real time in 2020 as it got relabeled COVID (no, I'm not saying that the COVID label = the flu. It includes other so-called diseases as well). The weird thing is when COVID believers like you ignore that.
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You might want to start by reading this little book:
Or...you might not.
https://www.psiram.com/en/index.php?title=Eleanor_McBean&mobileaction=toggle_view_mobile
Eleanor McBean (also Eleanora McBean and pseudonym Elben; September 12, 1905, California, USA - June 6, 1989, Los Angeles, California, USA) was an outspoken anti-vaxxer and author of several anti-vaccinist publications. Being a layperson, McBean's perspective on health and medical topics must be considered non-professional
According to McBean, the Spanish Flu Epidemic of 1918 was caused by vaccinations as well as subsequently administered medications which only extended the duration of infections. She meant to prove this with the contention that she survived the Spanish Flu as a child because her family did not receive any of the vaccinations in use at that time. However, no vaccine against influenza existed in 1918, and the cause of influenza was still unidentified.
Like all conspiracy theorists you're a mess of confirmation bias. You read stuff like this book and because it confirms your world view you lap it up.
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You might want to start by reading this little book:
Or...you might not.
https://www.psiram.com/en/index.php?title=Eleanor_McBean&mobileaction=toggle_view_mobile
Eleanor McBean (also Eleanora McBean and pseudonym Elben; September 12, 1905, California, USA - June 6, 1989, Los Angeles, California, USA) was an outspoken anti-vaxxer and author of several anti-vaccinist publications. Being a layperson, McBean's perspective on health and medical topics must be considered non-professional
According to McBean, the Spanish Flu Epidemic of 1918 was caused by vaccinations as well as subsequently administered medications which only extended the duration of infections. She meant to prove this with the contention that she survived the Spanish Flu as a child because her family did not receive any of the vaccinations in use at that time. However, no vaccine against influenza existed in 1918, and the cause of influenza was still unidentified.
Like all conspiracy theorists you're a mess of confirmation bias. You read stuff like this book and because it confirms your world view you lap it up.
Oh wow, you debunked a 400 page book in 5 minutes without reading it. :o
You're a true genius! ;D
Have you ever considered that confirmation bias is exactly what you're doing with "research" and comments like that?
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Oh wow, you debunked a 400 page book in 5 minutes without reading it. :o
Well. The author wasn't a medical doctor and claimed that the Spanish Flu Epidemic of 1918 was caused by vaccinations which...didn't exist at that time.
So it's not exactly filling me with confidence that this book is worth reading.
In related news, I had a look at Measles deaths over time. In the US they drop off a cliff in the late 60s.
Would you like to hazard a guess when the measles vaccine was introduced?
Have you ever considered that confirmation bias is exactly what you're doing with "research" and comments like that?
Well yes. I always consider whether I'm just believing stuff because it says what I want to believe. None of us are immune to these psychological effects and some introspection is important in order to combat them. But from what I've read so far this book isn't by a subject matter expert and she made wild claims that can't possibly be correct.
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Oh wow, you debunked a 400 page book in 5 minutes without reading it. :o
Well. The author wasn't a medical doctor and claimed that the Spanish Flu Epidemic of 1918 was caused by vaccinations which...didn't exist at that time.
So it's not exactly filling me with confidence that this book is worth reading.
In related news, I had a look at Measles deaths over time. In the US they drop off a cliff in the late 60s.
Would you like to hazard a guess when the measles vaccine was introduced?
Have you ever considered that confirmation bias is exactly what you're doing with "research" and comments like that?
Well yes. I always consider whether I'm just believing stuff because it says what I want to believe. None of us are immune to these psychological effects and some introspection is important in order to combat them. But from what I've read so far this book isn't by a subject matter expert and she made wild claims that can't possibly be correct.
The book has 4 authors which you can clearly see in the cover, so you're already lying.
Where's your quote of her saying that (not someone interpreting that's what she said) and how does that debunk the entire book? And what makes you think that I agree with said claim (assuming it's real) or with everything that's in the book, or everything these people have said in their entire lifetimes? Do you think I'm a brainless zombie like you who does 5 minutes of Google "research" to debunk an entire subject?
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The book has 4 authors which you can clearly see in the cover, so you're already lying.
Well, I'm not lying. But I did admittedly focus on the person who came first. But OK, let's have a look at the second one, Sue Martson.
Couldn't find that much about her directly but this made me laugh, in the foreword to another of her publications about vaccines:
"The author of this booklet has two important credentials which entitle her to write it. First, she is not a doctor. The fact she is a lay person is what qualifies her"
https://peopleforreason.org/the_vaccination_connection.pdf
I'd note that's a website which has a...certain agenda.
And no, my other posts don't debunk the entire book. But now I've found that the first two authors have no relevant qualifications in the subject they're writing about it doesn't exactly fill me with confidence that this is worth my or anyone else's time.
Do you think I'm a brainless zombie like you who does 5 minutes of Google "research" to debunk an entire subject?
No, I think you're a conspiracy theorist who reads and things they agree with and ignores everything they don't.
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Do you think I'm a brainless zombie like you who does 5 minutes of Google "research" to debunk an entire subject?
No, I think you're a conspiracy theorist who reads and things they agree with and ignores everything they don't.
That's a nice 2ยข strawman hypothesis but that ignores the fact that I used to believe all the crap you believe now, including that "vaxx is good for you".
Also, giving you names of medical doctors who are anti-vaxx would be wasted on you. You've already shown time and time again that you're not here with pure intentions, just another clown debunker with his 5 minutes of Google searches. You're not even good at it, I would suggest retiring from your "job".
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I used to believe all the crap you believe now, including that "vaxx is good for you".
I'd be interested to hear what changed your mind. Although I note you ignored my comment on measles - the death rate before and after the measles vaccine was rolled out.
Also, giving you names of medical doctors who are anti-vaxx would be wasted on you.
Well, possibly. There are millions of doctors, it seems unlikely to think they'd all have the exact same opinion about this. I'd certainly be more willing to listen to a doctor - even if his opinion is an outlier - than people who from what I've read so far make wild claims and have no qualifications in the subject they're writing about.
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Also, blood clots exist pre-vaccine. FYI.
As did all the COVID symptoms pre-COVID. FYI.
I literally watched the flu disappear in real time in 2020 as it got relabeled COVID (no, I'm not saying that the COVID label = the flu. It includes other so-called diseases as well). The weird thing is when COVID believers like you ignore that.
Well... Yeah. The covid strains (i think all the way back to covid 06) are in the same family as the flu virus. So, yeah, they have similar symptoms. Not sure what your point is. Why should we focus on something everyone should already know?
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Anyone who doesn't get a vax should be turned over to the "proper authorities."
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Whatever you want to think is fine, you can do what you want as far as I'm concerned, but what honk said was not an opinion. It was a statement of fact.
Except it's not. That's why the pharmaceutical companies have literally paid billions over the years to vaccine-damaged people.
We're not talking about past vaccines. You should try to focus on the topic better.
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Anyone who doesn't get a vax should be turned over to the "proper authorities."
Why? You'll be gunned down via facebook tracking drone.
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Whatever you want to think is fine, you can do what you want as far as I'm concerned, but what honk said was not an opinion. It was a statement of fact.
Except it's not. That's why the pharmaceutical companies have literally paid billions over the years to vaccine-damaged people.
We're not talking about past vaccines. You should try to focus on the topic better.
I am talking about that, and we are talking about that because a lot of the COVID vaccines are traditional vaccines made using traditional methods, they're not new.