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Re: The Elder Scrolls Online/General Elder Scrolls Discussion
« Reply #880 on: August 09, 2014, 08:03:08 PM »
Snow Elves are just another name for Falmer. Like how Dark Elves is another name for Dunmer.

No. While I think Snow Elves were originally called Flamer, they were very different from the Falmer shown in Skyrim. Falmer are the degenerate offspring of the Snow Elves. Snupes is correct.

Centuries of Dwemer slavery underground turned Snow Elves into Falmer. True Snow Elves, even though originally called Flamer, prefer the term Snow Elves over Falmer because they are distinctly different now.

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« Reply #881 on: August 09, 2014, 08:13:01 PM »
What makes you think I don't know this?
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« Reply #882 on: August 09, 2014, 08:15:25 PM »
It seemed like you were implying that the Snow Elves and Falmer from Skyrim are the same, when they are not. Maybe I misunderstood.

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« Reply #883 on: August 09, 2014, 08:23:40 PM »
The Dwemer were no shorter than Humans or the Chimer.

Here's a Dwemer ghost. Even though he's standing slightly hunched over and with bent knees, he's still taller than the Bosmer next to him. Bosmers are short yes, but not as short as typical Dwarves.

I don't recall saying anything about the height of Dwarves. Not sure why you think this is relevant.

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« Reply #884 on: August 09, 2014, 08:25:58 PM »
Sorry. What I ment to say was:
Falmers were Falmers.
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« Reply #885 on: August 09, 2014, 08:26:37 PM »
The Dwemer were no shorter than Humans or the Chimer.

Here's a Dwemer ghost. Even though he's standing slightly hunched over and with bent knees, he's still taller than the Bosmer next to him. Bosmers are short yes, but not as short as typical Dwarves.

I don't recall saying anything about the height of Dwarves. Not sure why you think this is relevant.

When are Dwarves ever tall?
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« Reply #886 on: August 09, 2014, 08:26:38 PM »
Sorry. What I ment to say was:
Falmers were Falmers.

Everything is so clear now.

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« Reply #887 on: August 09, 2014, 08:27:03 PM »
Sorry. What I ment to say was:
Falmers were Falmers.

Everything is so clear now.
I hope so.
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« Reply #888 on: August 09, 2014, 08:29:26 PM »
When are Dwarves ever tall?

In TES, apparently. I'm still waiting for you to unveil how this is all relevant to my discussion with Saddam, if you even plan to do so.

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« Reply #889 on: August 09, 2014, 08:29:47 PM »
When are Dwarves ever tall?

In TES, apparently. I'm still waiting for you to unveil how this is all relevant to my discussion with Saddam, if you even plan to do so.

But TES doesn't have dwarves.

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« Reply #890 on: August 09, 2014, 08:30:39 PM »
But TES doesn't have dwarves.

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« Reply #891 on: August 09, 2014, 08:32:51 PM »
Dwemer were obviously inspired by dwarves. The giants in ES lore even called them dwarves. Just because they change the name from "dwarf" to "dwemer" doesn't change the fact that 90% of their existence is comprised of dwarf stereotypes.

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« Reply #892 on: August 09, 2014, 08:34:52 PM »
The Dwemer were obviously remnants of the early Aldmer who came from Aldmeris and first settled Summerset Isles and later migrated to Cyrodiil. They were most definitely Mer/Elves.
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« Reply #893 on: August 09, 2014, 08:35:50 PM »
Dwemer were obviously inspired by dwarves. The giants in ES lore even called them dwarves. Just because they change the name from "dwarf" to "dwemer" doesn't change the fact that 90% of their existence is comprised of dwarf stereotypes.

But we've just established that they're literally not dwarves.

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« Reply #894 on: August 09, 2014, 08:38:43 PM »
Dwemer were obviously inspired by dwarves. The giants in ES lore even called them dwarves. Just because they change the name from "dwarf" to "dwemer" doesn't change the fact that 90% of their existence is comprised of dwarf stereotypes.

But we've just established that they're literally not dwarves.

In name and background lore only. Who cares if they are mer? They are based on fucking dwarves. Underground? Check. Technologically advanced? Check. Beards? Check. Pompous better than other races attitude? Check.

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« Reply #895 on: August 09, 2014, 08:39:12 PM »
The Dwemer were obviously remnants of the early Aldmer who came from Aldmeris and first settled Summerset Isles and later migrated to northern Cyrodiil. They were most definitely Mer/Elves.

A rose by any other name would smell as sweet.


Sorry, but renaming something doesn't change what it is. I can't reinvent the wheel simply by renaming it. Unless, you think I can. I would gladly sell you a new wooden "goaroundandaround" for $2000.

But we've just established that they're literally not dwarves.

Really? Where?

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« Reply #896 on: August 09, 2014, 08:40:49 PM »
Dwemer were obviously inspired by dwarves. The giants in ES lore even called them dwarves. Just because they change the name from "dwarf" to "dwemer" doesn't change the fact that 90% of their existence is comprised of dwarf stereotypes.

But we've just established that they're literally not dwarves.

In name and background lore only. Who cares if they are mer? They are based on fucking dwarves. Underground? Check. Technologically advanced? Check. Beards? Check. Pompous better than other races attitude? Check.

Based on that, it seems they're stereotypically closer to humans more than anything.

Also, what do you mean by underground? The vast majority of Dwemer settlements are above ground level.
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« Reply #897 on: August 09, 2014, 08:41:16 PM »
The fucking lore has fucking established that the fucking Dwemers were fucking Elves.
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« Reply #898 on: August 09, 2014, 08:43:26 PM »
Based on that, it seems they're stereotypically closer to humans more than anything.

That's probably because dwarves are based on Norse mythology, which is based on humans.

The fucking lore has fucking established that the fucking Dwemers were fucking Elves.

No, it definitely calls them dwarves all the time. Even their armor is called "dwarven armor." Their attribution to elves is most likely an error by countless cultures that came after them, since they've been dead for so long.

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Re: The Elder Scrolls Online/General Elder Scrolls Discussion
« Reply #899 on: August 09, 2014, 08:45:54 PM »
Trolling confirmed.
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