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Other Discussion Boards => Philosophy, Religion & Society => Topic started by: Shane on December 13, 2013, 06:39:30 PM
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This conversation has been had on the other site, but it's always fun. Anyway, adults shouldn't be prohibited from using recreational drugs.
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Or, you could get a job and stop being such a slacker.
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This conversation has been had on the other site, but it's always fun. Anyway, adults shouldn't be prohibited from using recreational drugs.
What about when they are driving?
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Do you disagree with my statement, junker? I'd actually enjoy real responses.
This conversation has been had on the other site, but it's always fun. Anyway, adults shouldn't be prohibited from using recreational drugs.
What about when they are driving?
Okay, obviously there are exceptions. If a drug impairs your ability to drive, then no.
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Do you disagree with my statement, junker? I'd actually enjoy real responses.
This conversation has been had on the other site, but it's always fun. Anyway, adults shouldn't be prohibited from using recreational drugs.
What about when they are driving?
Okay, obviously there are exceptions. If a drug impairs your ability to drive, then no.
What about if they are taking care of a small child/baby?
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Making something legal does exempt someone from liability for their actions or negligence.
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Do you disagree with my statement, junker? I'd actually enjoy real responses.
I am fine with it, as long as there are similar laws that pertain to alcohol, etc. Although those laws don't stop people from drinking and driving. Really, it is happening anyway, not like drugs being illegal is changing that. Make it legal, regulate it, tax it, enjoy it. It would put some drug dealers out of business and free up some prison space for actual criminals.
I used to have an affinity for some Rx stuff, though it has been a long time and I won't go back so the whole topic doesn't pertain to me from the standpoint that I care about doing drugs.
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That is a different issue entirely, Thork. endangering or neglecting a child should be prohibited. however drug use wouldn't necessarily cause this. I could smoke marijuana, for instance, and still feel comfortable with taking care of someone.
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That is a different issue entirely, Thork. endangering or neglecting a child should be prohibited. however drug use wouldn't necessarily cause this. I could smoke marijuana, for instance, and still feel comfortable with taking care of someone.
Although I endorse smoking marijuana, I would not endorse taking care of children high. If something happens you could very harshly punished.
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That is a different issue entirely, Thork. endangering or neglecting a child should be prohibited. however drug use wouldn't necessarily cause this. I could smoke marijuana, for instance, and still feel comfortable with taking care of someone.
You feeling like you are comfortable with taking care of someone does not equal you being able to take care of something. This is the problem with people driving drunk. They feel confident that they can do it, but are not always successful.
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I think it can be used in a responsible way. Drinking while you have children is generally accepted as appropriate behavior.
Also, jroa no. Everyone knows it is wrong, justifying an action they know us irresponsible.
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Well pot does not have the same judgement impairing effect as alcohol does, but overall a fair statement.
I think it can be used I'm a responsible way. Drinking while you have children is generally accepted as appropriate behavior.
Drinking is, getting drunk is not. The thing with pot is you go from sober to high much quicker than alcohol.
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Note: i don't think it's okay to get stoned all the time and take care of children. When i said "take care of" i was thinking more along the lines of "having kids" meaning more that being a marijuana smoker wouldn't necessarily makea bad parent the same way daddy going out with his friends once in a while doesn't make him a bad parent
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That is a different issue entirely, Thork. endangering or neglecting a child should be prohibited. however drug use wouldn't necessarily cause this. I could smoke marijuana, for instance, and still feel comfortable with taking care of someone.
Could you take heroine and feel confortable taking care of a 3 month old baby?
No one cares if you take drugs and scramble your own brains. The law is there to protect other people from your actions under the influence of drugs. That covers everything from you attacking people to you stealing from them to fund your habit.
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Endangering a child should be prohibited.
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Then, why are you arguing the opposite?
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I'm not. I realize i didn't portray my views well, and i did correct myself. By your argument any parent who drinks is a bad parent. I don't think an occasional marijuana smoker is automatically a bad parent.
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I'm not. I realize i didn't portray my views well, and i did correct myself. By your argument any parent who drinks is a bad parent. I don't think an occasional marijuana smoker is automatically a bad parent.
Then you should have written "Marujuana should be legal". Not "Drugs should be legal".
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I'm not. I realize i didn't portray my views well, and i did correct myself. By your argument any parent who drinks is a bad parent. I don't think an occasional marijuana smoker is automatically a bad parent.
No, endangering a child is wrong. A responsible person can have a drink and not be impaired enough to endanger a child. I don't smoke any more, but it is the same, except that with smoking weed, you are pretty much either sober or wasted. At least with alcohol, you can slow down or speed up, regulating your intoxication.
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I'm not. I realize i didn't portray my views well, and i did correct myself. By your argument any parent who drinks is a bad parent. I don't think an occasional marijuana smoker is automatically a bad parent.
Then you should have written "Marujuana should be legal". Not "Drugs should be legal".
Endangering a child is illegal. Your argument is bad. It has nothing to do with drugs, you can endanger a child in many, many ways. That does not mean anything that could in some circumstances lead to child endangerment should me illegal.
I'm not. I realize i didn't portray my views well, and i did correct myself. By your argument any parent who drinks is a bad parent. I don't think an occasional marijuana smoker is automatically a bad parent.
No, endangering a child is wrong. A responsible person can have a drink and not be impaired enough to endanger a child. I don't smoke any more, but it is the same, except that with smoking weed, you are pretty much either sober or wasted. At least with alcohol, you can slow down or speed up, regulating your intoxication.
My dad once in a while left the kids at home (mommy was home dont worry) and went out and got drunk. Not regularly, but it did happen once in a while. I still think he was a fine parent. What if a parent could have a smoke when they're not immediately caring for children, or after the kids go to bed, and so on?
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Why should the existence of children affect the legality of drugs? If parents aren't able to care for children while impaired then they shouldn't partake. Child care is independent of the legality of drugs.
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except that with smoking weed, you are pretty much either sober or wasted.
Based on my extensive research, this is not true.
But yes, there is no valid reason for drugs to be illegal for adults.
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except that with smoking weed, you are pretty much either sober or wasted.
Based on my extensive research, this is not true.
But yes, there is no valid reason for drugs to be illegal for adults.
That depends on the drug. There's no problem with weed, but ones like meth that are highly addictive to the point that people spend all they have on the drug, and then go attack/rob others for drug money, should probably be illegal.
Also any that pose serious health risks should be illegal too.
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Alcohol and cigarettes pose serious health risks as well as being addictive. Regulations can help limit the exposure of the more dangerous drugs and addiction help would probably be more readily available to them. The supply would also be regulated and the product would then be safer than it currently is since they would have to meet a specific standard to be commercially sold.
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Alcohol and cigarettes pose serious health risks as well as being addictive. Regulations can help limit the exposure of the more dangerous drugs and addiction help would probably be more readily available to them. The supply would also be regulated and the product would then be safer than it currently is since they would have to meet a specific standard to be commercially sold.
This is especially true for amphetamines, where pharmaceutical grade drugs have relatively few long term negative health effects when compared to the street versions.
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Let's not bicker over the details. Let's just agree that Sean is a horrible person.
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I very much agree with Junker, Sean and DuckDodgers in this thread. The same debate on the .org site changed me from a pretty radical "all drugs are horrible" standpoint to a "all drugs should be legal and regulated" one. In the countries in which they've decriminalized all drugs, that's where drugs usage and crime and deaths have gone down, and regulating them would only help that further. Part of why people die from heroin and that sort of drug is because it's made in the streets unprofessionally, often with bad strains that cause much worse effects than they should. Whereas them being professionally researched and created they could be made much, much safer.
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No to mention the massive drop in crime related to drugs.
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The billions of dollars the government is spending, at least I'm the USA, could be better spent.
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Drugs should be illegal to sell, but not illegal to use.
Anybody who disagrees is wrong.
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I personally would never use drugs, but hey, I'm okay with their legalization. Drug companies are the easiest to invest in because their customers are addicted to their products. It's like a business on easy mode.
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I can't do drugs for mental reasons, but there shouldn't be laws about what I put into my own body. And if there are, they should be consistent. If some smokes pot every day for a year and another person eats nothing by Taco Bell every day for a year, the one eating Taco Bell is going to be significantly more fucked up, most likely. So why should pot be illegal when fast food isn't?
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This conversation has been had on the other site, but it's always fun. Anyway, adults shouldn't be prohibited from using recreational drugs.
Reley?!! Are you kiding me??!!! Why he heck should drugs be legel they KILL you and cause canser and stuff!!! Also how could you posibley in any way be a good parent and be a horible drug adik at the same time its just full of inconsistencys and is a stupit idea in generel!
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11 orthographic errors. I don't know. I figure, pot seems alot safer than alcohol & Tobacco, both of which are legal. I love my weekly cigar. I used to get high on pot, but my fiancee asked me to stop. I don't drink since I can't seem to behave when I do. But @ least pot, legalise it, regulate it, & tax it!
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Pot, and all the other drugs.
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I'm not convinced about the others. Having known some meth addicts, I think the social disruption is too great.
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Can you elaborate on the "social disruption" aspect?
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I can try. The meth addicts I've known have nearly destroyed their lives w/ it. It became their whole reason to exist. One stole over $4000 from her employer. I've heard of other girls whoring for the money. I personally knew a crack whore. I just think that legalising such drugs, the addictive power of which is so great, is basically the State saying to people, 'Fuck you, your life isn't worth anything.' & EJ is right in that many drugs do indeed kill & maim people for life. For the State to accept that as a fait accompli just seems cold.
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Actually, that should not happen. In fact, it should happen less.
This report assumes that legalized prices for marijuana would be 50% of current prices. For cocaine, available evidence suggests that prices might fall to 20% of the current level; for heroin, the evidence suggests it might fall to 5% of the current level. For other drugs, this report assumes that prices fall to 5% of the current level.
As you see, evidence suggests (Feel free to read the study) prices should fall quite dramatically, which makes sense, as produces would no longer have to take on the risk associated, and would be able to produce in larger quantities at a time. That means users would not as often find it necessary to steal to fund their addiction.
Also, in Portugal, the decriminalization of drugs was a success.
Many of these innovative treatment procedures would not have emerged if addicts had continued to be arrested and locked up rather than treated by medical experts and psychologists. Currently 40,000 people in Portugal are being treated for drug abuse. This is a far cheaper, far more humane way to tackle the problem. Rather than locking up 100,000 criminals, the Portuguese are working to cure 40,000 patients and fine-tuning a whole new canon of drug treatment knowledge at the same time.
http://www.businessinsider.com/portugal-drug-policy-decriminalization-works-2012-7
with legalization the government saves billions of dollars, and also collects millions if not billions more in taxes. This money, I would propose, be spent on drug education and rehabilitation. It is clear that people are not helped by being thrown in jail, and without the stigma attached to these "junkies" many may be more inclined to get help rather than being forced to stay in the shadows.
We could see a reduction in violent crime, and gang violence, in the US and abroad. Gangs and drug cartels would lose much influence, as most of their funding is from illicit drug trade.
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Just curious, is it possible to get high from a blunt's second-hand smoke?
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Sean, that is very interesting, & worth looking into. Alchemist, I've heard that for someone w/ no tolerance level, it is, but I'm not certain.
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Alchemist: Possible, maybe. Unlikely, however. Anyone who claims to have experienced it probably experienced a placebo effect.
Sean, that is very interesting, & worth looking into. Alchemist, I've heard that for someone w/ no tolerance level, it is, but I'm not certain.
I find this stuff to be interesting too. And the more I look into these things, the more I believe in drug decriminalization and legalization.
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Just curious, is it possible to get high from a blunt's second-hand smoke?
Technically? Sure. Realistically? Probably not. If you hotbox a car or a small room bad enough it might be enough to get someone high on its own, but that much smoke would get uncomfortable fast.
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11 orthographic errors. I don't know. I figure, pot seems alot safer than alcohol & Tobacco, both of which are legal. I love my weekly cigar. I used to get high on pot, but my fiancee asked me to stop. I don't drink since I can't seem to behave when I do. But @ least pot, legalise it, regulate it, & tax it!
*sigh* Pot kills you to!! It is a drug like the rest of them and will get you adikted and ruin your life!!!!!!!!! Plus youll get canser and overdose MILIONS of people die evereyday cuz of drugs!!! And by the way I also beleive alchahol and smoking should be ilegel to alchahol is the devils drink and smoking KILLS you. If I were you I would stop smoking right away or enter rehab!!!
Pot, and all the other drugs.
Oh grete idea (sarcasim). Not only legelise pot but also legelise other drugs like marajuana cocane crack crack cocane weed herone yeah...great idea there buddey ::)
I can try. The meth addicts I've known have nearly destroyed their lives w/ it. It became their whole reason to exist. One stole over $4000 from her employer. I've heard of other girls whoring for the money. I personally knew a crack whore. I just think that legalising such drugs, the addictive power of which is so great, is basically the State saying to people, 'Fuck you, your life isn't worth anything.' & EJ is right in that many drugs do indeed kill & maim people for life. For the State to accept that as a fait accompli just seems cold.
Of corse im right as usuel. Thats the hole nature of drugs: to KILL PEOPLE!!!!!!!!!!
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I'm not the most informed person about this, but from what I can tell, pot is a whole lot less dangerous than nicotine or alcohol. If the growing movement to legalize drugs gains more support, I still wouldn't support anything except pot, which is the only thing most people are campaigning for anyway. As far as it ruining people's life, there are plenty of legal things that already do that (alcohol, cigarettes, gambling), so I don't really see that as a valid reason against it.
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Please ignore EJ in this thread unless he backs up a claim even a little. :'(
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Please ignore EJ in all threads unless he backs up a claim a little.
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MILIONS of people die evereyday cuz of drugs!!!
prove it
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Please ignore any user in any thread unless he/she backs up his/her claim a little.
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I am the only one who has. Someone please disagree with me and post evidence. This is the one debate I know I will win. LET ME HAVE THIS.
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I am the only one who has. Someone please disagree with me and post evidence. This is the one debate I know I will win. LET ME HAVE THIS.
Meth should be illegal and punishment for it should be increased dramatically.
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Full credit to Sean on this, he has backed up his claims. I'm still not sure how I feel about the matter, but he has aquitted himself quite well on the facts of the matter.
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Even if we assume for the moment that all drugs are bad for you, why does that mean they should be illegal? Eating McDonald's is pretty bad for you, should we outlaw fast food?
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Eating McDonald's is pretty bad for you, should we outlaw fast food?
I weigh 10stone and at one point (in my late 20's) I was eating two McDonalds a week (plus a KFC and a subway) so I'd question exactly how bad it is.
I've never weighed over 10stone and never felt any ill effects.
Anecdotal I know but It does raise questions about whether there've ever been any controlled studies looking at the health issues with eating a normal amount of McDonalods, as oppose to blitzing your recommended calorific intake combined with an overly sedentary lifestyle.
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Eating McDonald's is pretty bad for you, should we outlaw fast food?
I weigh 10stone and at one point (in my late 20's) I was eating two McDonalds a week (plus a KFC and a subway) so I'd question exactly how bad it is.
I've never weighed over 10stone and never felt any ill effects.
Anecdotal I know but It does raise questions about whether there've ever been any controlled studies looking at the health issues with eating a normal amount of McDonalods, as oppose to blitzing your recommended calorific intake combined with an overly sedentary lifestyle.
There have been plenty of studies about hugh fat, high sugar, high salt diets and MacDonald's definitely qualifies as that.
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There have been plenty of studies about hugh fat, high sugar, high salt diets and MacDonald's definitely qualifies as that.
The other factor is that you can eat McDonalds recreationally but not all the time and have no ill effects, not quite the same with drugs.
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There have been plenty of studies about hugh fat, high sugar, high salt diets and MacDonald's definitely qualifies as that.
The other factor is that you can eat McDonalds recreationally but not all the time and have no ill effects, not quite the same with drugs.
You can definitely use some drugs occasionally and have no ill effects; alcohol and marijuana for sure. Cocaine, nicotine, mushrooms, LSD and MDMA as well, although for me, not as frequently as marijuana or alcohol. This is excluding metabolic sensitivities or predisposition to addiction.
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There have been plenty of studies about hugh fat, high sugar, high salt diets and MacDonald's definitely qualifies as that.
The other factor is that you can eat McDonalds recreationally but not all the time and have no ill effects, not quite the same with drugs.
I disagree.
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There have been plenty of studies about hugh fat, high sugar, high salt diets and MacDonald's definitely qualifies as that.
The other factor is that you can eat McDonalds recreationally but not all the time and have no ill effects, not quite the same with drugs.
I disagree.
what i mean is it's not a lottery like drugs are.
Your first Mcdonalds is harmless, your first experience with drugs is just PROBABLY harmless.
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That may not be the case if drugs were legalized and their production were regulated.
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That may not be the case if drugs were legalized and their production were regulated.
Good point.
I think generally I come down on the should be legalised side, but not on the should be legalised tomorrow, more should be first studied properly then legalised and controlled.
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They have been doing studies. Haven't you heard that marijuana is the greatest evil on Earth and that if it were legalized the crime rate would sky rocket and productivity would approach 0?
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They have been doing studies. Haven't you heard that marijuana is the greatest evil on Earth and that if it were legalized the crime rate would sky rocket and productivity would approach 0?
thats not so much a study as retarded scaremongering
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They have been doing studies. Haven't you heard that marijuana is the greatest evil on Earth and that if it were legalized the crime rate would sky rocket and productivity would approach 0?
thats not so much a study as retarded scaremongering
The truth is scary.
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They have been doing studies. Haven't you heard that marijuana is the greatest evil on Earth and that if it were legalized the crime rate would sky rocket and productivity would approach 0?
thats not so much a study as retarded scaremongering
so are horror stories.
The truth is scary.
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I'm not the most informed person about this, but from what I can tell, pot is a whole lot less dangerous than nicotine or alcohol. If the growing movement to legalize drugs gains more support, I still wouldn't support anything except pot, which is the only thing most people are campaigning for anyway. As far as it ruining people's life, there are plenty of legal things that already do that (alcohol, cigarettes, gambling), so I don't really see that as a valid reason against it.
Is this a joke? Pot like cocane KILLS YOU and overdose and im pretey sure that you smoke pot (or it was weed or marajuana im not reley sure wich 1) which would give you CANSER!!!!!!!!!!! And im vary consistint in this mater as I think alcahol and smoking should be ilegel to maybe even gambeling
Please ignore EJ in this thread unless he backs up a claim even a little. :'(
I can back up my claims (I prefer to call them truths and facts) fuley thank you vary much !
Please ignore EJ in all threads unless he backs up a claim a little.
*sigh*
MILIONS of people die evereyday cuz of drugs!!!
prove it
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Millions die every day?
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bang a bang?
That doesn't show anything. That merely shows the % of people of different ages who die of drug overdoses. That could be from a sample of 100, 1000 or 10,000
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Drugs ruined my mental health, I was borderline addicted to LSD and was taking it nearly daily about 10 years ago. I smoked pot for nearly half my life. But I don't even drink caffeine any more.
However I support the legalisation of harder drugs. They can be regulated and taxed. General health rates will rise and drug quality would be better. If addicts could be prescribed certain drugs it will stop the use of methadone, which is no better for the user, but it is safer. Needle exchange points do already exist in the UK but more can be done. If clean safe drugs were given to addicts it will put most dealers out of business and the crime rates will drop as the user can get what they need through a doctor.
I don't know about soft drugs like pot though. I cant see why it cant be sold over the counter and I don't mean like the way its done in the US. that system is a joke anyway.
Our governments are missing out of millions in tax, just when we need it most. Ironically we are loosing drug centers and homeless shelters right now due to budget cuts. Our crime and homeless rates are due to rise over the next 5 years. This could be avoided right now if they were to control drug use in the UK.
as for killing you... What doesn't? It is the users choice. I once heard that tax on tobacco pays for the NHS alone.
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We should just make anything that is potentially harmful illegal.
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Demolition Man
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Even if we assume for the moment that all drugs are bad for you, why does that mean they should be illegal? Eating McDonald's is pretty bad for you, should we outlaw fast food?
Does McDonald's impair your ability to operate dangerous machinery?
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Demolition Man
But do you know how to use the three seashells?
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Even if we assume for the moment that all drugs are bad for you, why does that mean they should be illegal? Eating McDonald's is pretty bad for you, should we outlaw fast food?
Does McDonald's impair your ability to operate dangerous machinery?
Irrelevant.
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Even if we assume for the moment that all drugs are bad for you, why does that mean they should be illegal? Eating McDonald's is pretty bad for you, should we outlaw fast food?
Does McDonald's impair your ability to operate dangerous machinery?
Yes. Have you tried eating while driving?
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Demolition Man
But do you know how to use the three seashells?
How old is that film? Yet that question comes to my mind too lol. I hear fuck you was a good method.
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Even if we assume for the moment that all drugs are bad for you, why does that mean they should be illegal? Eating McDonald's is pretty bad for you, should we outlaw fast food?
Does McDonald's impair your ability to operate dangerous machinery?
Yes. Have you tried eating while driving?
yes, I can even manage the chips while riding a motorbike.
The burger is trickier without a flip up helmet though.
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Like bath salts?
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bang a bang?
That doesn't show anything. That merely shows the % of people of different ages who die of drug overdoses. That could be from a sample of 100, 1000 or 10,000
Actually, that chart shows # of deaths per 100,000. So for every 100,000 people aged 45-54, a whopping 25 people die. However what is missing is the time frame. Is this an annual death rate, a daily death rate, hourly death rate? We cannot tell from this graph.
If this is an daily death rate, then 91.8 people die from drugs per 600,000. (I know i am messing up by combining the age groups, I am assuming that all age groups have equal numbers of people in them, however the census data I found doesn't split the age groups up the same way as this graph) according to the 2010 census data, there were 308,745,538 people in the US. Now if we take the death rate of 91.8 deaths per 600,000 people and multiply it by the number of people, we will then get the daily deaths.
(91.8/600,000)*308,745,538=47238
So if this rate were a daily rate, worst case scenario (unless you want to make it an hourly death rate), you have just over 47,000 deaths per day from drugs. A far cry from the millions that EJ claimed.
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The chat shows a year, 2010, I think it's safe to assume it's yearly. It also doesn't mention of it's illegal drug only, prescription drug only, or a combination. All of this is irrelevant considering who posted it.
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>>That is a different issue entirely<<, Thork. endangering or neglecting a child should be prohibited. however drug use wouldn't necessarily cause this. I could smoke marijuana, for instance, and still feel comfortable with taking care of someone.
Unless you're so high that you neglect your actions even when kids are around you. Like someone strips down naked in public because of drugs. And there's of course the second-hand smoke. And what about the lung cancer issue? The tooth decay? The impairment of your senses while operating machinery? The accelerated deterioration of your muscles? You could even die from and overdose leaving your kids parentless or half-parentless which would then put your kids into a depression that if not tendered could result in them thinking about taking their own lives when they become teenagers or older.. These are among reasons why I don't do drugs because I love my family and I don't need something artificial to make me happy. Drugs should only be for medicinal purposes. But if you want to legalize drugs, who am I to stop you? At least it'll give WTFIWWY some new material every week.
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All of that can happen without drugs and there are things, like cigarettes, which are proven to be harmful and cause cancer which are legal. Why is the impact of your own life on others a grounds for illegality (outside of dependent neglect)?
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>>That is a different issue entirely<<, Thork. endangering or neglecting a child should be prohibited. however drug use wouldn't necessarily cause this. I could smoke marijuana, for instance, and still feel comfortable with taking care of someone.
Unless you're so high that you neglect your actions even when kids are around you. Like someone strips down naked in public because of drugs. And there's of course the second-hand smoke. And what about the lung cancer issue? The tooth decay? The impairment of your senses while operating machinery? The accelerated deterioration of your muscles? You could even die from and overdose leaving your kids parentless or half-parentless which would then put your kids into a depression that if not tendered could result in them thinking about taking their own lives when they become teenagers or older.. These are among reasons why I don't do drugs because I love my family and I don't need something artificial to make me happy. Drugs should only be for medicinal purposes. But if you want to legalize drugs, who am I to stop you? At least it'll give WTFIWWY some new material every week.
Similar stuff happens with alcohol. Why is that legal and pot not?
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The chat shows a year, 2010, I think it's safe to assume it's yearly. It also doesn't mention of it's illegal drug only, prescription drug only, or a combination. All of this is irrelevant considering who posted it.
I know it is most likely annual. However, I calculated for worst case and it didn't even come close to the claimed millions.
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Bj, let me again refer you to my statement that any analyses of that chat is irrelevant because of the poster it came from.
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He also did not provide a source.
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Millions die every day?
You bet ya !
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bang a bang?
That doesn't show anything. That merely shows the % of people of different ages who die of drug overdoses. That could be from a sample of 100, 1000 or 10,000
Bj alredey disproved and humilated you
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bang a bang?
That doesn't show anything. That merely shows the % of people of different ages who die of drug overdoses. That could be from a sample of 100, 1000 or 10,000
Actually, that chart shows # of deaths per 100,000. So for every 100,000 people aged 45-54, a whopping 25 people die. However what is missing is the time frame. Is this an annual death rate, a daily death rate, hourly death rate? We cannot tell from this graph.
If this is an daily death rate, then 91.8 people die from drugs per 600,000. (I know i am messing up by combining the age groups, I am assuming that all age groups have equal numbers of people in them, however the census data I found doesn't split the age groups up the same way as this graph) according to the 2010 census data, there were 308,745,538 people in the US. Now if we take the death rate of 91.8 deaths per 600,000 people and multiply it by the number of people, we will then get the daily deaths.
(91.8/600,000)*308,745,538=47238
So if this rate were a daily rate, worst case scenario (unless you want to make it an hourly death rate), you have just over 47,000 deaths per day from drugs. A far cry from the millions that EJ claimed.
It doesn't mater. Ether way it shows the evils of drugs and how the only thing they do is KILL!!!
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EJ has convinced me. I retract my previous argument in this thread.
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EJ has convinced me. I retract my previous argument in this thread.
Well im glad you have come to your senses rather than embracing ignorence spoon. You obvousley relize that it is idiotic idea to legelise things that KILL you!
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Indeed. EJ is wise beyond all years. Possession of drugs should be punishable by death. After all, how else might we protect our drug-affected cousins save by ruining them? How might those knaves learn to lead an honest life save by incarceration? It is not enough to simply teach that drugs do wrong. We must ourselves do as much wrong as the drug if we are to protect our society. For indeed narcotics truly are demons incarnate, and the souls of those possessed thereby must be smited in order to be saved. If thy right hand offend thee, cut it off, and cast it from thee: for it is profitable for thee that one of thy members should perish, and not that thy whole body should be cast into hell; by extension, we may learn that if thine cousin doest offend thee, he ought to be himself cast off, and by this protect our very civilization from being thus.
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Indeed. EJ is wise beyond all years. Possession of drugs should be punishable by death. After all, how else might we protect our drug-affected cousins save by ruining them? How might those knaves learn to lead an honest life save by incarceration? It is not enough to simply teach that drugs do wrong. We must ourselves do as much wrong as the drug if we are to protect our society. For indeed narcotics truly are demons incarnate, and the souls of those possessed thereby must be smited in order to be saved. If thy right hand offend thee, cut it off, and cast it from thee: for it is profitable for thee that one of thy members should perish, and not that thy whole body should be cast into hell; by extension, we may learn that if thine cousin doest offend thee, he ought to be himself cast off, and by this protect our very civilization from being thus.
QFT
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Bj alredey disproved and humilated you
Actually He didn't.
It's a terrible chart but whilst I was wrong about exactly what it shows I was 100% correct that it simply doesn't show anything close to millions of deaths per day.
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Similar stuff happens with alcohol. Why is that legal and pot not?
I don't know why alcohol is legal to drink either. But regardless, I don't need artificial substances to be happy and content.
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Similar stuff happens with alcohol. Why is that legal and pot not?
I don't know why alcohol is legal to drink either. But regardless, I don't need artificial substances to be happy and content.
I bet if we examined your life there is some element analagous to drug use in it... I betcha!!!
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Indeed. EJ is wise beyond all years. Possession of drugs should be punishable by death. After all, how else might we protect our drug-affected cousins save by ruining them? How might those knaves learn to lead an honest life save by incarceration? It is not enough to simply teach that drugs do wrong. We must ourselves do as much wrong as the drug if we are to protect our society. For indeed narcotics truly are demons incarnate, and the souls of those possessed thereby must be smited in order to be saved. If thy right hand offend thee, cut it off, and cast it from thee: for it is profitable for thee that one of thy members should perish, and not that thy whole body should be cast into hell; by extension, we may learn that if thine cousin doest offend thee, he ought to be himself cast off, and by this protect our very civilization from being thus.
*round of aplase* Beatiful tsunami I couldent agree more. Drugs are nothing but pure evil and this is the truley anti drug antham. The devil is trying to kill us with drugs but we shall stay away from them!!! :D i am moved gretley :)
Indeed. EJ is wise beyond all years. Possession of drugs should be punishable by death. After all, how else might we protect our drug-affected cousins save by ruining them? How might those knaves learn to lead an honest life save by incarceration? It is not enough to simply teach that drugs do wrong. We must ourselves do as much wrong as the drug if we are to protect our society. For indeed narcotics truly are demons incarnate, and the souls of those possessed thereby must be smited in order to be saved. If thy right hand offend thee, cut it off, and cast it from thee: for it is profitable for thee that one of thy members should perish, and not that thy whole body should be cast into hell; by extension, we may learn that if thine cousin doest offend thee, he ought to be himself cast off, and by this protect our very civilization from being thus.
QFT
Most indeed spoon. Glad to see you are wise as well!!! :)
Bj alredey disproved and humilated you
Actually He didn't.
It's a terrible chart but whilst I was wrong about exactly what it shows I was 100% correct that it simply doesn't show anything close to millions of deaths per day.
Well you know what I mean ether way DRUGS KILL!!!!!!!!!!!
Similar stuff happens with alcohol. Why is that legal and pot not?
I don't know why alcohol is legal to drink either. But regardless, I don't need artificial substances to be happy and content.
Ikr alcahol should also be ilegel it is the devils drink. And I dont beleive I have seen you before Hello and Welcome to FES!
Similar stuff happens with alcohol. Why is that legal and pot not?
I don't know why alcohol is legal to drink either. But regardless, I don't need artificial substances to be happy and content.
I bet if we examined your life there is some element analagous to drug use in it... I betcha!!!
Drugs is artificiel hapines and KILLS YOU tho
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Next time you are ill and need medication. Don't take it.
Stop drinking caffeine. That includes cola and chocolate.
Stop eating non-organic meat and dairy.
No more honey for you.
Leave your tap water alone (sorry but that includes almost all food types).
You can't avoid taking drugs. They will kill all 7 billion of us in the end ::)
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Next time you are ill and need medication. Don't take it.
Stop drinking caffeine. That includes cola and chocolate.
Stop eating non-organic meat and dairy.
No more honey for you.
Leave your tap water alone (sorry but that includes almost all food types).
You can't avoid taking drugs. They will kill all 7 billion of us in the end ::)
And at MILLIONS a day, we only have less than 20 years left!!!!!!
1 million per day * 365 days per year = 365 million per year
365 million per year * 20 years = 7.3 billion!!!!!
We are all dead!!!!! :o
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Next time you are ill and need medication. Don't take it.
Stop drinking caffeine. That includes cola and chocolate.
Stop eating non-organic meat and dairy.
No more honey for you.
Leave your tap water alone (sorry but that includes almost all food types).
You can't avoid taking drugs. They will kill all 7 billion of us in the end ::)
Thats not wat I ment i ment like things that get you high like marahuana and weed and alcahol and stuff. And I dont use cafine ether. I drink cofe and soda but they are obvz decaf cuz I dont get high
Next time you are ill and need medication. Don't take it.
Stop drinking caffeine. That includes cola and chocolate.
Stop eating non-organic meat and dairy.
No more honey for you.
Leave your tap water alone (sorry but that includes almost all food types).
You can't avoid taking drugs. They will kill all 7 billion of us in the end ::)
And at MILLIONS a day, we only have less than 20 years left!!!!!!
1 million per day * 365 days per year = 365 million per year
365 million per year * 20 years = 7.3 billion!!!!!
We are all dead!!!!! :o
You know what I flippin mean!!!!!! ::)
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Next time you are ill and need medication. Don't take it.
Stop drinking caffeine. That includes cola and chocolate.
Stop eating non-organic meat and dairy.
No more honey for you.
Leave your tap water alone (sorry but that includes almost all food types).
You can't avoid taking drugs. They will kill all 7 billion of us in the end ::)
Thats not wat I ment i ment like things that get you high like marahuana and weed and alcahol and stuff. And I dont use cafine ether. I drink cofe and soda but they are obvz decaf cuz I dont get high
Next time you are ill and need medication. Don't take it.
Stop drinking caffeine. That includes cola and chocolate.
Stop eating non-organic meat and dairy.
No more honey for you.
Leave your tap water alone (sorry but that includes almost all food types).
You can't avoid taking drugs. They will kill all 7 billion of us in the end ::)
And at MILLIONS a day, we only have less than 20 years left!!!!!!
1 million per day * 365 days per year = 365 million per year
365 million per year * 20 years = 7.3 billion!!!!!
We are all dead!!!!! :o
You know what I flippin mean!!!!!! ::)
Well, then say what you mean. I am not a mind reader. I can only go by what you write. You wrote that millions of people die a day from drugs. I can only assume that that is what you mean.
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So because something gets you high means its bad for you? Best lay off the sugar then. Watch out the next time you stand up too
fast, it might kill you.
In relation to the whole range of problems which can happen to those who use drugs, death is by far the least likely outcome, but one which, not surprisingly, attracts most attention and causes most concern. Like all data about illegal drug use, information about deaths comes from a variety of sources that combine to present a patchy and incomplete picture. Hence this is a highly simplified overview of what we know about deaths from drug use and how these compare to deaths caused by alcohol and tobacco.
http://www.drugscope.org.uk/resources/faqs/faqpages/how-many-people-die-from-drugs
Psychoactive substances implicated in np-SAD deaths, England, 2011 [6]
Total - 1,172
Alcohol in combination 325
Amphetamines 43
Anti-depressants 287
Anti-epileptics 5
Anti-Parkinson's 5
Anti-psychotics 66
Cannabis 23
Cocaine 122
Ecstasy-type drugs 20
GHB/GBL 10
Heroin/morphine 355
Hypnotics/sedatives 286
Methadone 327
Other opiates / opioid analgesics 328
Note the items in bold, these are the only illegal drugs here, the others are controlled drugs.
Reported Road Casualties in Great Britain, 2012
Killed 1,754
Seriously Injured 23,039
Slightly Injured 193,784
All 195,723
http://www.rospa.com/faqs/detail.aspx?faq=296
Another interesting fact is that 1 in 11 deaths in the uk are caused by obesity.
Aprox 0.033% of deaths were caused by illegal drugs in 2011.
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I'm curious of the 23 cannabis deaths. Short of trying to eat a bunch of weed and choking on it, I'm skeptical it's possible to die from weed.
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The was only 6 directly related to it. 23 were caused by it. The probably chocked on a roach or something :P
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Or they got sooo high they fell asleep with a lit cigarette, and burned their house down.
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I have a feeling it's from car accidents where the driver was high.
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It's official. Cannabis makes you shoot people. The crazy liberals from Colorado have nowhere to hide now.
http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/worldnews/northamerica/usa/10773592/Husband-shoots-dead-wife-after-eating-cannabis-in-Colorado.html
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It's official. Cannabis makes you shoot people. The crazy liberals from Colorado have nowhere to hide now.
http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/worldnews/northamerica/usa/10773592/Husband-shoots-dead-wife-after-eating-cannabis-in-Colorado.html
Obviously it was the cannabis and not a preexisting mental condition.
This article is biased. The last few paragraphs are scaremongering, no wait... the whole article is scaremongering.
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It's official. Cannabis makes you shoot people. The crazy liberals from Colorado have nowhere to hide now.
http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/worldnews/northamerica/usa/10773592/Husband-shoots-dead-wife-after-eating-cannabis-in-Colorado.html
correlation causation robble robble robble
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correlation causation robble robble robble
Are you suggesting the judiciary didn't take that into account in their assessment of the situation? Why would you do such a thing?
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Why would you do such a thing?
Because America.
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Cannabis gives you mental conditions. Allegedly.
But I'm going to call bullshit on this story. They're making out like he "experimented" with cannabis candy and went batty. I'm going to go further and say it's a prompt by the local PD who for some reason are against legalisation of weeeeed.
I want to know how high you can get on these candies. Never heard of them before.
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I want to know how high you can get on these candies. Never heard of them before.
I've never heard of weed candy, but I think the article says "cookies".
"A coroner listed “marijuana intoxication” as a contributory factor, the first time since legalization that use of the drug had been linked to a death in Colorado." Coincidence? I feel like there's an anti-cannabis agenda here.
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All you weed addicts are just upset because you've been conclusively proven wrong. Marijuana makes you violent (http://www.mmyvofficial.org/) and will never be legalised at a federal level, thus always remaining a criminalised substance.
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I want to know how high you can get on these candies. Never heard of them before.
I've never heard of weed candy, but I think the article says "cookies".
"A coroner listed “marijuana intoxication” as a contributory factor, the first time since legalization that use of the drug had been linked to a death in Colorado." Coincidence? I feel like there's an anti-cannabis agenda here.
I read a bit and you can get hard candy sweets that have THC in them.
Eg: http://www.denverrelief.com/medical-cannabis-edibles.php
They're for cancer patients ALLEGEDLY and can get you pretty stoked. So stoked that you want to shoot people. And not stoked that you just want to sit in a comfy chair and watch videos of cats. That is another drug.
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Having been known to get higher than a kite on occasion in my past, though I don't indulge now, I have to wonder if the man had other, possibly undiagnosed mental issues that clashed w/ weed. I've known my fair share of potheads, & gotten high myself, & can't imagine violence being a result of its use unless there was something else going on as well.
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Can't you read?!?!?! QUESTIONS HAVE BEEN RAISED!!!!
(Even though there's no evidence whatsoever that this was the cause)
QUESTIONS HAVE BEEN RAISED!!!!
Normal God Fearing, Baby Loving, Hard Working Father + Drugs = Sykokilla
QUESTIONS HAVE BEEN RAISED!!!!
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https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dJ6fjGS1lRg
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http://www.nydailynews.com/news/crime/phoenix-mom-high-drove-baby-car-roof-probation-article-1.1756526
Drug abusers continue to amuse with how responsible they are, and how they're totally not a danger to society. At least she feels remorse and will perhaps feel twice before toking again.
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If only she'd been drinking instead. :( :( :(
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They need to start putting contraceptives in the water supply.
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htp://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/worldnews/northamerica/usa/10773592/Husband-shoots-dead-wife-after-eating-cannabis-in-Colorado.html
Only a pothead would shoot somebody who was already dead. What a bunch of idiots.
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They need to start putting contraceptives in the weed supply.
Fixed for Endlösung
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It's official. Cannabis makes you shoot people. The crazy liberals from Colorado have nowhere to hide now.
http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/worldnews/northamerica/usa/10773592/Husband-shoots-dead-wife-after-eating-cannabis-in-Colorado.html
This would never have happened if he'd never been allowed to own a gun in the first place.
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This would never have happened if he'd never been allowed to own a gun in the first place.
Nonsense. Guns don't kill people. Drugs kill people.
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It's official. Cannabis makes you shoot people. The crazy liberals from Colorado have nowhere to hide now.
http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/worldnews/northamerica/usa/10773592/Husband-shoots-dead-wife-after-eating-cannabis-in-Colorado.html
This would never have happened if he'd never been allowed to own a gun in the first place.
Nonsense. This never would have happened if the wife had been allowed to carry a concealed automatic machine gun.
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http://time.com/61940/recreational-pot-use-harmful-to-young-peoples-brains/
The evidence just keeps piling up. Marijuana is a dangerous drug and everyone should stay away from it.
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I want to put the "Cocaine" back in "Coca Cola."
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http://time.com/61940/recreational-pot-use-harmful-to-young-peoples-brains/
The evidence just keeps piling up. Marijuana is a dangerous drug and everyone should stay away from it.
The research indicates that people who smoke pot will never find pleasure in anything. And probably can't tell right from wrong. Although they only ran tests on 20 people its pretty clear that massive generalisations can be made.
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http://www.independent.co.uk/news/uk/home-news/cocaine-use-in-britain-so-high-it-has-contaminated-our-drinking-water-report-shows-9350477.html
The UK took my earlier advice and went above and beyond in their endeavor to bring legal cocaine to the world.
The research indicates that people who smoke pot will never find pleasure in anything. And probably can't tell right from wrong. Although they only ran tests on 20 people its pretty clear that massive generalisations can be made.
I've seen this pretty often with potsmokers, but I never could tell if it was the pot or the person was just like that to begin with.
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I resent that, Rushy.
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It's official. Cannabis makes you shoot people. The crazy liberals from Colorado have nowhere to hide now.
http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/worldnews/northamerica/usa/10773592/Husband-shoots-dead-wife-after-eating-cannabis-in-Colorado.html
This would never have happened if he'd never been allowed to own a gun in the first place.
Nonsense. This never would have happened if the wife had been allowed to carry a concealed automatic machine gun.
Concealed? This would never have happened if both of them kept fully automatic weapons on a hair-trigger away from killing one another at all times.
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https://news.vice.com/article/legal-pot-in-the-us-is-crippling-mexican-cartels
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https://news.vice.com/article/legal-pot-in-the-us-is-crippling-mexican-cartels
They'll just switch over to cocaine.
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Why should LSD be illegal?
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Why should LSD be illegal?
You ask this as if an objective and easily defined answer exists.
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A subjective and difficult to define answer would also be acceptable.
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Humans cannot function on LSD. Walls melt and basic tasks become long tormenting excursions in unfruitfulness. If LSD was legal and easily obtainable everyone would become a dirty hippy.
And the only good hippy is a dead one.
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Humans cannot function on LSD. Walls melt and basic tasks become long tormenting excursions in unfruitfulness. If LSD was legal and easily obtainable everyone would become a dirty hippy.
And the only good hippy is a dead one.
I'll just play double's advocate and pretend that you're serious. Even if humans "couldn't function" on LSD, why would that be justification for its criminalization?
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It could possibly have a negative effect on society as a whole if enough people started showing signs of radical hippyism.
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You need to be more specific.
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But, drugs are legal. ???
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It seems that the The World Health Organization agrees.
http://www.tdpf.org.uk/blog/world-health-organization-calls-decriminalisation-drug-use
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Countries only do what the UN says if the UN says it after the countries are already doing it. They are an organization torn between Captain Obvious (sanctions) or a kid on a soapbox whom everyone ignores (this).
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Yeah, that article makes far too much sense to be of any interest to politicians.
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Nobody gave any reasons. Consider LSD legalized.
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It could possibly have a negative effect on society as a whole if enough people started showing signs of radical hippyism.
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That doesn't mean anything.
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I just took some drugs. I will be posting my experiences in this thread.
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I just took some drugs. I will be posting my experiences in this thread.
RIP