IRC

jroa · « **on:** April 21, 2015, 02:23:44 PM »

I think there should be a separate chat room for TFES and for general chatting. People come to IRC to chat with flat Earthers, because that is what the Home Page invites them to do, only to be chased off by people proclaiming that, "we don't discuss the shape of the Earth here." Does this not seem counter productive to anyone else? Should not the people who just want to bull shit be in a different room from the noobs who come to IRC to ask FE questions live? Is it just me?

Blanko · « **Reply #1 on:** April 21, 2015, 02:44:21 PM »

We already have another chat room, #antichtone. Nobody's using it because nobody wants to a) follow two separate channels, or b) have to migrate just so the main channel can be dedicated for humouring noobs. Nothing will change either way, because we don't get any flat earth experts on IRC.

My proposal is to not make IRC the landing page for noobs to interact with the society, because they inevitably either come to troll or are unwilling to check out the forums despite our insistence that they should. So perhaps the webchat link should be removed from the front page. Out of all the noobs we've gotten since webchat was introduced, none of them have seemingly registered on the forums. And frankly, I don't want to deal with this shit every day:

[17:32:37] <kljlj> the earth is round
[17:32:42] <kljlj> the earth is round
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[17:32:47] <Pongo> If you want real answers, http://forum.tfes.org/index.php is really the best place to go.
[17:32:52] <kljlj> the earth is round
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[17:33:13] <kljlj> v
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[17:33:23] <Pongo> Neat. Well, have fun with this everyone. I'm going to a meeting.
[17:33:29] <kljlj> the earth is round
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[17:33:56] <jroa> Blanko
[17:33:57] <kljlj> the earth is round
[17:33:58] <kljlj> the earth is round
[17:34:04] <kljlj> the earth is round
[17:34:05] <kljlj> the earth is round
[17:34:06] <jroa> kill him
[17:34:06] <kljlj> the earth is round
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[17:34:13] <kljlj> the earth is round
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[17:34:16] <jroa> kill him
[17:34:17] <kljlj> the earth is round
[17:34:17] <kljlj> the earth is round
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[17:34:19] <kljlj> the earth is round
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[17:34:22] <kljlj> the earth is round
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[17:34:39] <beerdo> point taken
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Saddam Hussein · « **Reply #2 on:** April 21, 2015, 02:49:13 PM »

We ought to just get rid of the link on the home page. IRC simply isn't suited to debating FET, or doing anything other than light chatting, for that matter.

(what Blanko said)

Thork · « **Reply #3 on:** April 21, 2015, 02:59:37 PM »

You want to make it your secret club just for you and your friends. It was obvious from the outset.

In which case it should never have been made public. FE IRC has always been about a group of nervous young men making comments about everyone else behind their backs. Never was there an intention to use it to allow more access and make the society more accessible to people.

So keep it as your treehouse and put a sign on it "No adults allowed". And get all the links to it off of the website.

Rushy · « **Reply #4 on:** April 21, 2015, 03:00:40 PM »

Thork once again shows undue concern that IRC is used to talk shit about him behind his back, despite the fact that we do it to his face everyday.

Thork · « **Reply #5 on:** April 21, 2015, 03:01:36 PM »

I don't care what you say about me. But I suspect there are others who do. It doesn't create a very nice atmosphere.

Blanko · « **Reply #6 on:** April 21, 2015, 03:04:49 PM »

Quote from: Dr David Thork on April 21, 2015, 03:01:36 PM

I don't care what you say about me. But I suspect there are others who do. It doesn't create a very nice atmosphere.

No worries, we only talk shit about you.

Thork · « **Reply #7 on:** April 21, 2015, 03:06:29 PM »

I don't care. But newcomers shouldn't come to the site and have you shooing them away for interacting with you.

Pete Svarrior · « **Reply #8 on:** April 21, 2015, 03:08:29 PM »

Quote from: Blanko on April 21, 2015, 02:44:21 PM

And frankly, I don't want to deal with this shit every day:

[17:32:37] <kljlj> the earth is round
[...]

This coming from an op in the channel, it seems to me like you missed a fairly obvious solution to the problem there.

Quote from: Saddam Hussein on April 21, 2015, 02:49:13 PM

We ought to just get rid of the link on the home page. IRC simply isn't suited to debating FET, or doing anything other than light chatting, for that matter.

There seems to be overwhelming support for this position. As much as it saddens me to lose a potentially great source of newcomers, we clearly do not have the resources to properly redirect people. Let's remove the link and consider including it somewhere deeper within the forum.

Quote from: Dr David Thork on April 21, 2015, 03:06:29 PM

I don't care. But newcomers shouldn't come to the site and have you shooing them away for interacting with you.

Please stop already. Shouting loudly is not going to make your positions any less unpopular.

Blanko · « **Reply #9 on:** April 21, 2015, 03:11:56 PM »

Quote from: pizaaplanet on April 21, 2015, 03:08:29 PM

This coming from an op in the channel, it seems to me like you missed a fairly obvious solution to the problem there.

I wasn't active at that particular time, and there weren't any other ops active at the time either. Mind you that I don't even have ops on Blanko, only on Blankodroid.

Pongo · « **Reply #10 on:** April 21, 2015, 03:25:44 PM »

Quote from: pizaaplanet on April 21, 2015, 03:08:29 PM

Quote from: Blanko on April 21, 2015, 02:44:21 PM
And frankly, I don't want to deal with this shit every day:

[17:32:37] <kljlj> the earth is round
[...]
This coming from an op in the channel, it seems to me like you missed a fairly obvious solution to the problem there.

Quote from: Saddam Hussein on April 21, 2015, 02:49:13 PM
We ought to just get rid of the link on the home page. IRC simply isn't suited to debating FET, or doing anything other than light chatting, for that matter.
There seems to be overwhelming support for this position. As much as it saddens me to lose a potentially great source of newcomers, we clearly do not have the resources to properly redirect people. Let's remove the link and consider including it somewhere deeper within the forum.

Quote from: Dr David Thork on April 21, 2015, 03:06:29 PM
I don't care. But newcomers shouldn't come to the site and have you shooing them away for interacting with you.
Please stop already. Shouting loudly is not going to make your positions any less unpopular.

What about the bot idea you had? Where does that idea stand?

juner · « **Reply #11 on:** April 21, 2015, 03:28:28 PM »

Quote from: Dr David Thork on April 21, 2015, 02:59:37 PM

You want to make it your secret club just for you and your friends. It was obvious from the outset.

In which case it should never have been made public. FE IRC has always been about a group of nervous young men making comments about everyone else behind their backs. Never was there an intention to use it to allow more access and make the society more accessible to people.

So keep it as your treehouse and put a sign on it "No adults allowed". And get all the links to it off of the website.

I know I shouldn't do this, but I can't help but reply when Thork is being even more wrong than usual.

This is an asinine stance from someone who doesn't even use the FES IRC channel. I am not on as frequently as some, but I am typically there several hours a week. I have never seen people just talk bad about others who weren't there because it is some big secret super fun thing to do. The link was literally posted in as public of a place as possible and Parsifal made it incredibly easy for anyone to access. Claiming that it is a "secret club" is beyond moronic, which I am sure you know, but for some reason you want to keep shouting this opinion because maybe the more times you say it, the more true it will become. It isn't true, and you are being incredibly obtuse.

Pete Svarrior · « **Reply #12 on:** April 21, 2015, 03:39:05 PM »

Quote from: Pongo on April 21, 2015, 03:25:44 PM

What about the bot idea you had? Where does that idea stand?

I'd still like to do or at least consider that, but I'm currently too busy to give it the time it needs, and there is clearly a lot of dissatisfaction with the current situation. I think hiding the link is a good immediate remedy. We can see how to proceed after that.

Blanko · « **Reply #13 on:** April 21, 2015, 04:40:05 PM »

Meanwhile, we got raided by /b/ and made some French guy very upset. Good times.

jroa · « **Reply #14 on:** April 21, 2015, 04:41:11 PM »

The French people seem to be very touchy about their crappy country and shitty food. Who would have known?

Snupes · « **Reply #15 on:** April 21, 2015, 06:53:45 PM »

We should just use #theflatearthsociety as we currently do and make a channel called #flatearthdiscussion or something similar, so that rather than trying to get people to leave their current channel and move to a new one, we can let people who actually want to discuss the shape of the earth move to that channel instead. Then put #theflatearthsociety somewhere that's still easily accessible to forumites who want to use it and have #flatearthdiscussion on the front page.

Pongo · « **Reply #16 on:** April 21, 2015, 07:07:35 PM »

I think that the idea of two separate channels -- one for flat-earth discussions and one for other things -- sounds good on paper, but in practicality it would not work. Everyone would just go to the "everything else" channel and the newcomers would find an empty place to discuss/spam about the shape of the earth. They will either simply switch to the other channel and voice their views there or just leave. Which I must assume defeats the entire purpose of a newcomers channel.

xasop · « **Reply #17 on:** April 21, 2015, 08:18:36 PM »

Quote from: pizaaplanet on April 21, 2015, 03:08:29 PM

There seems to be overwhelming support for this position. As much as it saddens me to lose a potentially great source of newcomers, we clearly do not have the resources to properly redirect people. Let's remove the link and consider including it somewhere deeper within the forum.

We already have such a link on the forum. My current situation with power makes it difficult to deploy changes, to put it mildly, but feel free to make the change live if it's causing big problems before I get power back.

Particle Person · « **Reply #18 on:** April 21, 2015, 09:57:05 PM »

Quote from: Dr David Thork on April 21, 2015, 02:59:37 PM

In which case it should never have been made public. FE IRC has always been about a group of nervous young men making comments about everyone else behind their backs. Never was there an intention to use it to allow more access and make the society more accessible to people.

What specifically led you to believe this?

Pete Svarrior · « **Reply #19 on:** April 21, 2015, 11:29:03 PM »

Quote from: Parsifal on April 21, 2015, 08:18:36 PM

My current situation with power makes it difficult to deploy changes, to put it mildly

D'oh, of course, I forgot about that. I'll erase that line from production for the time being as an immediate remedy. Meanwhile, let's continue brainstorming long-term ideas and thoughts.