The Flat Earth Society
Flat Earth Discussion Boards => Flat Earth Community => Topic started by: onehearttwosouls on September 12, 2017, 04:16:29 PM
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I have just started my research into flat earth.... I honestly want to know as much as I can. If the Earth is flat, what is below the Earth? What is above etc....? Is it as above so below? Sorry if this is an easy question to answer... like I stated before I am a newbie. Thanks :)
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No one knows. It is one of the great mysteries for FES.
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Some say that underneath the petri dish earth is a giant desk, the desk is in a giant laboratory, and the laboratory is in a giant petri dish earth, sort of like Russian dolls.
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If the Earth is flat, what is below the Earth?
Morlocks.
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Sorry you had to put up with these guys.
I am attaching a picture worth a thousand words.
First - you know we have a clear dome firmament above our heads. This is to keep out the water.
There is water underneath too.
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Sorry you had to put up with these guys.
I am attaching a picture worth a thousand words.
First - you know we have a clear dome firmament above our heads. This is to keep out the water.
There is water underneath too.
If it is clear, why can't we see the water?? LOL, do you guys even think about what you're posting?
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to Stinky
We do. That's why the sky is blue on a clear day. LOL ;D
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Sorry you had to put up with these guys.
I am attaching a picture worth a thousand words.
First - you know we have a clear dome firmament above our heads. This is to keep out the water.
There is water underneath too.
If it is clear, why can't we see the water?? LOL, do you guys even think about what you're posting?
The Russians were only able to bore a hole down a little over 7 miles (Kola Superdeep) and too their surprise the granite was fractured with a whole lot of water, yes water.
Globers spew the BS
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Sorry you had to put up with these guys.
I am attaching a picture worth a thousand words.
First - you know we have a clear dome firmament above our heads. This is to keep out the water.
There is water underneath too.
If it is clear, why can't we see the water?? LOL, do you guys even think about what you're posting?
The Russians were only able to bore a hole down a little over 7 miles (Kola Superdeep) and too their surprise the granite was fractured with a whole lot of water, yes water.
Globers spew the BS
I mean the water above the clear dome. I never argued with there being ground water. We all know it exists. (though it was a surprise to find it so deep)
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Does that mean your god is a fish or a squid?
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Does that mean your god is a fish or a squid?
I think that's well-established:
(https://i.pinimg.com/originals/1b/c4/55/1bc455ab81c687860e175b5a8a91a45e.jpg)
All hail Cthulhu! (But do it quietly - we don't want to wake Him from His eternal slumber).
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to Stinky..
Look at the attachment above. I am not talking about ground water where you dig a well.
We know the firmament holds back water. We don't know how far that water extends. I always assumed the water beneath was the same.... It could be 200,000 miles deep?????? It could be one mile. But it is not ground water.
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First, love the Cthulhu pic, 3D!
Terry, you said "First - you know we have a clear dome firmament above our heads. This is to keep out the water."
I asked why we can't see the water. As in, the water above our heads being held back by this clear dome.
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What's beneath the flat earth? You'll find out when you die.
Before your family buries you, remember to tell them to leave a coin underneath your tongue.
It's for Charon, the ferryman, newlydeads need to pay a tole for him to take them across the river Styx to Hades, the land of the dead.
(https://ferrebeekeeper.files.wordpress.com/2014/01/jose-benlliure-gi-l-la-barca-de-caronte-1919.jpg)
And underneath Hades is Atlas, who literally carries the weight of the world on his shoulders...but others say it's a tortoise.
(https://i2.wp.com/i19.servimg.com/u/f19/15/63/66/42/discwo10.jpg)
Here's what the Norse thought:
(http://www.germanicmythology.com/original/images/NorseComologyFrancisMellville.jpg)
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to Stinky-
Maybe it was a different post. I said --- we can see the water above our heads. :D That is why the sky is blue. It hasn't been polluted. I'm looking out the window. I can see the water from here. Who needs beach property? ;D
Multiple nations as a team tried blowing a hole in the firmament with atomic bombs in 1948. It didn't work. :o These other guys recently sent a privately owned rocket straight up. They had cameras on it. Once it hit a certain mile high, it ran into an invisible wall and exploded. Back in Admiral Byrd's day, airplanes tried flying over what they thought was a continent. The airplanes went so far and then crashed into an invisible shield. There are movies of it.
I don't care if I convince you or not. FYI People are so nuts... ??? they voted for a person who was selling plutonium to the Russians and then they claim Trump is a Russian spy. ;D And they cried when she lost. Listen, man. Jesus is coming back. I'm hoping we have 10 more years. Europe is going down. The people in Sweden think it is normal to get raped now.. WOW..... Merkle is like Obama was to the US. Germany will be filled with riots and the globalists will get the population reduced the way they want. The Georgia Stones. They engrave it in stone... and the people still don't believe it is true. ::)
Hey, Stinky, have you tried deodorant? ha ha
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to Stinky-
Maybe it was a different post. I said --- we can see the water above our heads. :D That is why the sky is blue. It hasn't been polluted. I'm looking out the window. I can see the water from here. Who needs beach property? ;D
Multiple nations as a team tried blowing a hole in the firmament with atomic bombs in 1948. It didn't work. :o These other guys recently sent a privately owned rocket straight up. They had cameras on it. Once it hit a certain mile high, it ran into an invisible wall and exploded. Back in Admiral Byrd's day, airplanes tried flying over what they thought was a continent. The airplanes went so far and then crashed into an invisible shield. There are movies of it.
I don't care if I convince you or not. FYI People are so nuts... ??? they voted for a person who was selling plutonium to the Russians and then they claim Trump is a Russian spy. ;D And they cried when she lost. Listen, man. Jesus is coming back. I'm hoping we have 10 more years. Europe is going down. The people in Sweden think it is normal to get raped now.. WOW..... Merkle is like Obama was to the US. Germany will be filled with riots and the globalists will get the population reduced the way they want. The Georgia Stones. They engrave it in stone... and the people still don't believe it is true. ::)
Hey, Stinky, have you tried deodorant? ha ha
Ooookkkkkkk.....the sky is blue because of a magic dome hold water back. Good luck with that delusion. Adios.
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to Stinky
Wow.. You never heard of the dome? :o
It was on the Simpsons and on SNL with Bruce Willis !
I thought every body knew. 8)
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Does that mean your god is a fiiSorry you had to put up with these guys.
I am attaching a picture worth a thousand words.
First - you know we have a clear dome firmament above our heads. This is to keep out the water.
There is water underneath too.
If it is clear, why can't we see the water?? LOL, do you guys even think about what you're posting?
The Russians were only able to bore a hole down a little over 7 miles (Kola Superdeep) and too their surprise the granite was fractured with a whole lot of water, yes water.
Globers spew the BS
Some say that underneath the petri dish earth is a giant desk, the desk is in a giant laboratory, and the laboratory is in a giant petri dish earth, sort of like Russian dolls.
h or a squid?
[/quotto Stinky
Wow.. You never heard of the dome? :o
It was on the Simpsons and on SNL with Bruce Willis !
I thought every body knew. 8)
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to Robert Warren
You're only hope is to have fire extinguishers put in your coffin. ;D :D 8)
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to: oneheartwosouls :)
since you are a newbie- check out my video on you tube https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QTy8zOIduXo
The second part which starts at 1:50 has the proof. The first part is all about the map.
also, see attachment :-B
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Check out this random video on found on the youtubes, guys. It proves the Earth is flat. Totally legit - look at the proof, irrefutable.
I swear some people don't have a flipping clue. We've been making maps for centuries and they all look more or less the same. They've been used to guide all travel and commerce. The distances DO NOT WORK on a flat map. They can't. That is why the smarter FEers like Tom say there is no current FE map. Better to say you don't know than to admit you're wrong.
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Check out this random video on found on the youtubes, guys. It proves the Earth is flat. Totally legit - look at the proof, irrefutable.
I swear some people don't have a flipping clue. We've been making maps for centuries and they all look more or less the same. They've been used to guide all travel and commerce. The distances DO NOT WORK on a flat map. They can't. That is why the smarter FEers like Tom say there is no current FE map. Better to say you don't know than to admit you're wrong.
No cartography work was ever put into that monopole flat earth map you are referencing. I'm not sure why you are expecting to use it.
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Check out this random video on found on the youtubes, guys. It proves the Earth is flat. Totally legit - look at the proof, irrefutable.
I swear some people don't have a flipping clue. We've been making maps for centuries and they all look more or less the same. They've been used to guide all travel and commerce. The distances DO NOT WORK on a flat map. They can't. That is why the smarter FEers like Tom say there is no current FE map. Better to say you don't know than to admit you're wrong.
No cartography work was ever put into that monopole flat earth map you are referencing. I'm not sure why you are expecting to use it.
you might want to update the wiki then.
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Check out this random video on found on the youtubes, guys. It proves the Earth is flat. Totally legit - look at the proof, irrefutable.
I swear some people don't have a flipping clue. We've been making maps for centuries and they all look more or less the same. They've been used to guide all travel and commerce. The distances DO NOT WORK on a flat map. They can't. That is why the smarter FEers like Tom say there is no current FE map. Better to say you don't know than to admit you're wrong.
No cartography work was ever put into that monopole flat earth map you are referencing. I'm not sure why you are expecting to use it.
Has there been ANY flat Earth cartography work??
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Check out this random video on found on the youtubes, guys. It proves the Earth is flat. Totally legit - look at the proof, irrefutable.
I swear some people don't have a flipping clue. We've been making maps for centuries and they all look more or less the same. They've been used to guide all travel and commerce. The distances DO NOT WORK on a flat map. They can't. That is why the smarter FEers like Tom say there is no current FE map. Better to say you don't know than to admit you're wrong.
No cartography work was ever put into that monopole flat earth map you are referencing. I'm not sure why you are expecting to use it.
Has there been ANY flat Earth cartography work??
Nope, only denial of any distance given, and refusal to give any "correct" distances. I'm shocked they've left the sun height distance up there as it relies on distances that Tom at least refused to acknowledge as even close to accurate.
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to Squirell :D
you said - they've left the sun height distance up there
What is the sun distance ? :-B
I saw a video where a pilot was flying above the sun.
No way it is 93 million miles.
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to Squirell :D
you said - they've left the sun height distance up there
What is the sun distance ? :-B
I saw a video where a pilot was flying above the sun.
No way it is 93 million miles.
Oh yeah, sure you've seen that. Believed it too huh? What is with you guys and believing random ass YouTube videos?
The wiki claims the sun is approx 3000 miles or maybe only 700 miles. Rowbotham is in the 700 boat, but others have used the 3000 mile distance.
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to squirel
Do you remember - I'll believe it when I see it? Thomas said I have to see it.
The video is like you are right there in the cockpit looking out the window.
I work with video - I know green screen when I see it.
I'm glad you said 3,000 miles
The plane was flying about 31,000 mile.
It isn't like the video is gone.... you can check it out..
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5VJOl67RhpU
well, the pharisees stood right there and witnessed Jesus miracles; but then they said Jesus did it by the power of the devil=
so I'm not going to try to convince you. :)
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to squirel
Do you remember - I'll believe it when I see it? Thomas said I have to see it.
The video is like you are right there in the cockpit looking out the window.
I work with video - I know green screen when I see it.
I'm glad you said 3,000 miles
The plane was flying about 31,000 mile.
It isn't like the video is gone.... you can check it out..
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5VJOl67RhpU
well, the pharisees stood right there and witnessed Jesus miracles; but then they said Jesus did it by the power of the devil=
so I'm not going to try to convince you. :)
HAHAHAHAHA, HOLY FUCKING SHIT GUYS, GET A LOAD OF THIS! FE DEBUNKED BY AN FE'ER!
Ahem, sorry. First of all, as shown at the start of the video, he's flying at 28,000 FEET not miles. Regular planes don't (indeed can't) fly that high. Second of all, what you're seeing is the sun visible beneath the clouds, DUE TO THE CURVATURE OF THE EARTH! This is the exact same effect we are discussing over in the debate thread talking about sunlight hitting clouds from below. This is an effect that CANNOT happen on a FE. Period. Thank you for the wonderful proof demonstration. I'm gonna go post it in that thread right now actually and credit you with such an amazing video that you yourself have stated isn't green screen as someone who 'works with video - I know green screen when I see it'.
Congratulations Terry50, you just played yourself.
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I'm glad you said 3,000 miles
The plane was flying about 31,000 mile.
I think you may want to take a step back and review your last couple of posts in this thread, they are like crack for forum signatures.
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to squirel
Yep, the only thing HOLY which you will be experiencing some day is what you said sh*t
to Psychotropic - you are right - I put in an extra zero.. It should have been 3200 miles not 31,000 miles
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to Psychotropic - you are right - I put in an extra zero.. It should have been 3200 miles not 31,000 miles
I.. I... don't think that helps your cause.
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to Pyscho
Enjoy your crack ;D ::)
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to Pyscho
Enjoy your crack ;D ::)
I will and always do, but know I was just trying to help you not get completely obliterated by both FE and RE for your claims.
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to Pyscho
Nobody gets obliterated around here because everybody is so stubborn - they don't believe you when you hit them with the truth right between their eyes. >o<
I am sssooooooooo humble, (stretching the imagination) that only "I" have the power around here to see my mistakes when pointed out. I remember the last time that happened about 30 years ago.....
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As was mentioned, this is fantastic proof for a round Earth. Everyone who understands the Earth is a globe that orbits the sun knows that the sun rises from below the horizon. This is an early morning flight and the sun is still low in the sky. There is no possible way the sun is less than 5 miles above the Earth. The daylight area would be very small and the sun would appear VERY low in the sky for anyone not directly below it. For the love of God, use the brain He gave you. Youtube videos are NOT NOT NOT scientific and can be made to show just about anything.
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to Psychotropic - you are right - I put in an extra zero.. It should have been 3200 miles not 31,000 miles
I.. I... don't think that helps your cause.
Doubly so considering his instrument that he shows at the start is quite clearly indicating 28,000 something. Most will understand he means 28,000 feet, but not our dear Terry here.
Terry,
You DO understand that both RE and FE agree there's a limit to the height of the atmo above Earth and it's well below what you claim this plane is flying at right? In fact at 3,200 miles he would be well into what most would call 'space' under both models from my understanding. It's telling your only reply is to point out how 'filthy' I am. I think I can safely put you with J-Man in the group of people who have a religious basis for their FE belief, and thus I have no reason to attempt to engage with. You have a wonderful life, and may God grant you humility, understanding, and empathy.
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This thread is jokes
Cool opinion. Warned.
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No one knows. It is one of the great mysteries for FES.
Why would what is below be any different from what is above it?
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Before your family buries you, remember to tell them to leave a coin underneath your tongue.
It's for Charon, the ferryman, newlydeads need to pay a tole for him to take them across the river Styx to Hades, the land of the dead.
Is there a preferred currency, will he take a check, paypal or Amex?
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to squirel 8)
Thanks for the "dear" :P
Yea, I got the miles and feet mixed up..
Look back at the forum on Sept 8, 2017.
I plainly asked how high is the sun because I didn't know. If you look at that post today there are 184 views and not one reply.. It's like nobody else knows either. ;D
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proof of flat earth :o
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=luiTlYy0KZk
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Hello Everyone,
Recently i came across a movie named
"Polaris Star-World Transformer Brahmasta"
which talks about the confluence of Science & Spirituality and opens up secrets behind many mysteries like
1.) Flat Earth
2.) The Bermuda Triangle
3.) Dinosaurs
4.) God and His role
6.) World Transformation
7.) Heaven on Earth
Watch this movie
here's the link
video
Please stop spamming this all over the fora. If you want to start a discussion topic, then you are welcome to do so, but there is no reason to repeatedly post the same video when it has no bearing on the thread you are posting it in. Consider this a warning. Continued spamming will result in a ban.
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If the earth could be infinitely long, then it could be infinitely deep, and so there might be no below it.
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If it is infinitely deep, perhaps matter gets more and more compressed, dense, hard and solid the lower you get.
On the other hand, the continents could be cancellous and floating on liquids or even gases denser than water and air.
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But if we live in a divinely created cosmos, maybe there's a literal hell below us, where Satan, his demons and collection of damned souls dwell.
If that's the case, could we drill a hole to hell?
Might there already be holes to hell in existence?
Does Satan and his minions use them to physically travel between the underworld and ours?
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While I appreciate your thought and opinion on the topic, there is an edit button. No need to triple post, you can succinctly provide your opinion in one post.
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to 80
the soviets drilled a hole as deep as they could.
They dropped a mike down and heard screaming. You can hear it on You Tube
Demons have their own special gate way to hell. They are like funnels.
Their is a hell in earth but it is not infinite. They are making it bigger so they can fit more people in
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To 80
Portal to hell inside earth proof
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GHoJxcnaNxI
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to 80
the soviets drilled a hole as deep as they could.
They dropped a mike down and heard screaming. You can hear it on You Tube
Demons have their own special gate way to hell. They are like funnels.
Their is a hell in earth but it is not infinite. They are making it bigger so they can fit more people in
Dude, this is an old urban legend. Do you just believe anything you are told?
http://www.snopes.com/religion/wellhell.asp (http://www.snopes.com/religion/wellhell.asp)
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stinky
If people are screaming - I don't want to go there. :o
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stinky
If people are screaming - I don't want to go there. :o
I would agree with you, but what you posted is fake.
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Terry, pay attention.
If a man comes up and offers you 3 magic beans for your cow, it's a good idea to say no, okay?
Not because they aren't magic, it's just, you won't cope.
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proof of flat earth :o
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=luiTlYy0KZk
This video is very good. Give one a great perspective of being super high and the horizon rising. Obviously the earth is flat as a pancake. Boy are people gullible as too a spinning ball where water or peeps never fly off.
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proof of flat earth :o
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=luiTlYy0KZk
This video is very good. Give one a great perspective of being super high and the horizon rising. Obviously the earth is flat as a pancake. Boy are people gullible as too a spinning ball where water or peeps never fly off.
??? Pause the video and hold a piece of paper up to the screen. Definite curve. Not dramatic because of the field of view, but clearly not flat. The power of the mind to see what it wants, I guess.
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Look at this line :o
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Definite curve. Clearly not flat. The power of the mind to see what it wants, I guess. ;D
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proof of flat earth :o
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=luiTlYy0KZk
This video is very good. Give one a great perspective of being super high and the horizon rising. Obviously the earth is flat as a pancake. Boy are people gullible as too a spinning ball where water or peeps never fly off.
??? Pause the video and hold a piece of paper up to the screen. Definite curve. Not dramatic because of the field of view, but clearly not flat. The power of the mind to see what it wants, I guess.
Did you see it Stinker? That rocket went straight up, not like the NASA toys that go so high than tip over to dump in the oceans. Great vid all around. There's a few more recent ones now on da tube, amateurs are beginning to expose the deception quite nicely.
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proof of flat earth :o
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=luiTlYy0KZk
This video is very good. Give one a great perspective of being super high and the horizon rising. Obviously the earth is flat as a pancake. Boy are people gullible as too a spinning ball where water or peeps never fly off.
??? Pause the video and hold a piece of paper up to the screen. Definite curve. Not dramatic because of the field of view, but clearly not flat. The power of the mind to see what it wants, I guess.
Did you see it Stinker? That rocket went straight up, not like the NASA toys that go so high than tip over to dump in the oceans. Great vid all around. There's a few more recent ones now on da tube, amateurs are beginning to expose the deception quite nicely.
Yes, most amateur rockets go straight up. It isn't on a ballistic trajectory, nor is it attempting to go into orbit. You should probably learn more about rocketry before attempting to comment. The things you say show a woeful ignorance. The amateurs are showing the Earth is round, just like in this video. (hint: what goes up must come down. Being hundreds of miles downrange makes for a dangerous return and difficult recovery)
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Stinky said
Yes, most amateur rockets go straight up. It isn't on a ballistic trajectory, nor is it attempting to go into orbit.
Next time Nasa goes to the moon, they should try to go on a straight up trajectory instead of turning. Maybe they can call up a few amateurs and figure out how to do that. The astronnots don't have to worry about return entry since they are in a movie studio in the first place. ha ha
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Stinky said
Yes, most amateur rockets go straight up. It isn't on a ballistic trajectory, nor is it attempting to go into orbit.
Next time Nasa goes to the moon, they should try to go on a straight up trajectory instead of turning. Maybe they can call up a few amateurs and figure out how to do that. The astronnots don't have to worry about return entry since they are in a movie studio in the first place. ha ha
No, because they orbit the Earth while gaining speed. (gravity assist) You have to reach a certain velocity to break free of Earth's gravity. But hey, don't let pesky facts or science get in the way of your goofy ideas. (like planes flying above the sun...)
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Stinky said
Yes, most amateur rockets go straight up. It isn't on a ballistic trajectory, nor is it attempting to go into orbit.
Next time Nasa goes to the moon, they should try to go on a straight up trajectory instead of turning. Maybe they can call up a few amateurs and figure out how to do that. The astronnots don't have to worry about return entry since they are in a movie studio in the first place. ha ha
No, because they orbit the Earth while gaining speed. (gravity assist) You have to reach a certain velocity to break free of Earth's gravity. But hey, don't let pesky facts or science get in the way of your goofy ideas. (like planes flying above the sun...)
Dude you don't even know what gravity is. Pear Head
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Efh4bu4rcbs
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to stinkey 8)
Why is it that the pilot who was flying along side and a little higher than the sun has perfect camera clarity and.....
in Nasa they had colored film in side the capsule but black and white on the moon with clarity worse than my grandmother's brownie camera ? :o
you say
They had to transmit the footage through the radiation belt and that screwed it up----
I say
well why don't they show the footage now without transmitting through the radiation belt
you say
because the radiation belt still screwed up the film.
I say
How could the film get screwed up and the radiation didn't adversely effect the astronots. Because the astronots never went through the radiation belt. You know what ? I would hate to live my entire life living a lie saying I went to the moon so I could get my nasa pension check. ::)
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to J man
Yes... I know what gravity is. It's a myth. :D
Look up Nikola Tesla..
it's science fiction :-X
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to stinkey 8)
Why is it that the pilot who was flying along side and a little higher than the sun has perfect camera clarity and.....
in Nasa they had colored film in side the capsule but black and white on the moon with clarity worse than my grandmother's brownie camera ? :o
you say
They had to transmit the footage through the radiation belt and that screwed it up----
I say
well why don't they show the footage now without transmitting through the radiation belt
you say
because the radiation belt still screwed up the film.
I say
How could the film get screwed up and the radiation didn't adversely effect the astronots. Because the astronots never went through the radiation belt. You know what ? I would hate to live my entire life living a lie saying I went to the moon so I could get my nasa pension check. ::)
What do planes need to generate lift? Air. Even in a flat Earth, how high is the sun. 3000 miles. The plane was flying at 28K feet. Even my 5th grader could tell you that a plane flying at 28K feet can't be above an object 3000 miles up.
You believe garbage posted on youtube, but don't use the brain the good Lord gave you to figure out that planes CAN'T FLY OVER THE SUN! You're mind is so blind to the real world around you, it is just sad. You can still believe in God and understand that planes aren't flying around at 3000 miles. Think of how long it would take just to reach that altitude. lol (hint, even the most capable fighter jets can't do more than about 10 miles per minute vertical speed)
I've commented on the NASA film imagery and radiation exposure in the past. Seek and you shall find.
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to stinky
how do you explain the video?
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to stinky
how do you explain the video?
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It is called sunrise (or set). You may have seen it - it happens everyday. Is your mind so confused by conspiracy that you have to make up planes that can magically fly 3000 miles up to explain a very simple phenomenon. Were you home schooled by any chance?
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to stinky
Good explanatioin.. Next Question.
Why do airplanes fly 500 miles off the straight path to refuel? (according to the globe)
Why is it when there is an emergency landing that the airplane goes 500 miles farther than it has too? (to reach an island)
But when you look at a flat map; they are refueling or emergency landing right in line with their destination?
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to stinky
Good explanatioin.. Next Question.
Why do airplanes fly 500 miles off the straight path to refuel? (according to the globe)
Why is it when there is an emergency landing that the airplane goes 500 miles farther than it has too? (to reach an island)
But when you look at a flat map; they are refueling or emergency landing right in line with their destination?
Give an example please. It's impossible to answer such a general question.
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if you have studied this topic the way you want people to think you have, you should know of many examples. Pick one. :)
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if you have studied this topic the way you want people to think you have, you should know of many examples. Pick one. :)
You're the one making the claim, you provide the evidence. That's the way things work.
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to stinky
Good explanatioin.. Next Question.
Why do airplanes fly 500 miles off the straight path to refuel? (according to the globe)
Why is it when there is an emergency landing that the airplane goes 500 miles farther than it has too? (to reach an island)
But when you look at a flat map; they are refueling or emergency landing right in line with their destination?
Planes don't fly in straight paths to their destinations. The Earth is a globe. They fly paths according to what is known as the great circle. It is the shortest distance between 2 points on a globe. Flat Earth theory can't explain why planes fly these routes. As for the emergency landing, I'm not sure what you are referring to, but the first thing that comes to mind is runway length. Not all runways are long enough for all aircraft. If it was over the ocean, it was likely a larger plane(747/A380), which require long runways. Can't land just anywhere.
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Is there any other operation that mathematically uses "The Great Circle"? besides airplanes
Also, on that pilot flying over the sun video --- if it was a sunset or sunrise, the sun would be smaller.. Right? the further away something is the smaller it appears.
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Is there any other operation that mathematically uses "The Great Circle"? besides airplanes
Also, on that pilot flying over the sun video --- if it was a sunset or sunrise, the sun would be smaller.. Right? the further away something is the smaller it appears.
Maybe boats to some degree upon the larger oceans. But there's not much that moves in between continents other than airplanes, so there's not much that would need to make use of such routes.
The sun is not any farther from the Earth in the RE model during sunset/rise. So the size of it doesn't change at all. FE usually has something like 'atmoplanic lensing' that magnifies the sun just right so that it remains the same size throughout the day. See: https://wiki.tfes.org/Magnification_of_the_Sun_at_Sunset
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Is there any other operation that mathematically uses "The Great Circle"? besides airplanes
Also, on that pilot flying over the sun video --- if it was a sunset or sunrise, the sun would be smaller.. Right? the further away something is the smaller it appears.
Your comment about the sun's size inadvertently proved my point about the Earth being round/sun being far away. If the sun was only 32 miles across and 3000 miles away, it would get larger and smaller as the day went on. The fact that is doesn't is a clue that it is massive and very far away.
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How is it that there are pictures of the sun being large and pictures of the sun being small? :-\
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How is it that there are pictures of the sun being large and pictures of the sun being small? :-\
Because the field of view is different. You shouldn't really rely on pics unless you know the camera setup. I can make the sun look large or small with the same lens on my camera. Just depends how much I zoom in. Using the same camera/same setup with pics throughout the day, the sun is very stable in size.
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Is there any other operation that mathematically uses "The Great Circle"? besides airplanes
Sure! Ships, submarines, the cables that carry phone, TV and internet services between continents.
Also, on that pilot flying over the sun video --- if it was a sunset or sunrise, the sun would be smaller.. Right? the further away something is the smaller it appears.
If the earth was flat - then yes. But in Round Earth, the sun is so insanely far away, that it always appears more or less the same size (give or take a couple of percent due to the Earth's orbit not being a perfect circle).
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How is it that there are pictures of the sun being large and pictures of the sun being small? :-\
Because the field of view is different. You shouldn't really rely on pics unless you know the camera setup. I can make the sun look large or small with the same lens on my camera. Just depends how much I zoom in. Using the same camera/same setup with pics throughout the day, the sun is very stable in size.
I have also seen some pics that claim the sun does get smaller just before sunset. They show pics with the sun 5-10 degrees above the horizon, then at the horizon. Then they draw lines along the side of each and measure them. But what they don't recognize, or admit, is that in the supposed larger sun pic, the glare is much stronger, so that measurement is really of the glare of the sun, compared to a sun with no, or lessor, glare. I think that to really prove it to yourself, you would need to use a consistent camera and lens focal length as 3Dgeek mentioned. But also a solar filter so you are getting a clear view of the actual surface of the sun.
I went to see the totality of the recent eclipse and saw a few people with solar filters made for a standard camera lens. Until then, I thought the filters only existed for telescopes.
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to 3Dgeek :D
Notice how all the examples you gave involve explaining "why crows don't fly straight sometimes".
I meant give me an example in math or any technology where the earth is not involved.
My hypothesis is that the only time the GREAT CIRCLE comes into play with scientists is when things look perfect on a flat map and awkward on a globe map. That's when they drag out the great circle; but nowhere else in science or mathematics. :'(
Yea, give me non-earth examples.
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To Terry, Definition;
To redefine stupidity, one sentence at a time.
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to 3Dgeek :D
Notice how all the examples you gave involve explaining "why crows don't fly straight sometimes".
I meant give me an example in math or any technology where the earth is not involved.
My hypothesis is that the only time the GREAT CIRCLE comes into play with scientists is when things look perfect on a flat map and awkward on a globe map. That's when they drag out the great circle; but nowhere else in science or mathematics. :'(
Yea, give me non-earth examples.
Terry, you really could do a little of this leg work yourself. It is the shortest distance between two point on a sphere and can be used in any situation that is important. The math is below.
The great circle distance is then
d=acos^(-1)[cosdelta_1cosdelta_2cos(lambda_1-lambda_2)+sindelta_1sindelta_2].
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Definition of stupidity: Jura-Glenlivet ;D ;D ;D
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to 3Dgeek :D
Notice how all the examples you gave involve explaining "why crows don't fly straight sometimes".
I meant give me an example in math or any technology where the earth is not involved.
My hypothesis is that the only time the GREAT CIRCLE comes into play with scientists is when things look perfect on a flat map and awkward on a globe map. That's when they drag out the great circle; but nowhere else in science or mathematics. :'(
Yea, give me non-earth examples.
Sure: Take a nice large ball...a basketball, or a bowling ball will do nicely. Mark two points on it...put them a good distance apart. Now, take a length of thread, tape one end to the first mark and the other end to the second mark. If the thread is tight, it will follow a "Great Circle" path across the ball...because that is the shortest path (if it wasn't the shortest path, then you'd be able to pull the thread tighter).
Do this with a globe (a three-dimensional map of the Round Earth) - and look where the thread lies...notice the path it takes across the oceans and continents. Stretch your thread between two large cities and compare it to the maps that the airlines put out showing the routes their long distance flights take. Mostly - they follow the same path that your piece of thread takes - because the shortest distance between two points on a sphere is a "great circle". Sometimes airlines cannot take the great circle route because of political or air traffic control considerations - US airlines don't over-fly North Korea these days - but long distance flights over oceans are almost always great circles.
The reason great circle routes confuse people is this:
When you try to flatten a sphere out into a flat paper map - there are GUARANTEED to be some distortions - some parts of the map are stretched and other parts are squished.
When you distort a "great circle" path onto a flat map, the result is some weird curve (which exact shape depends on which "projection" was used to flatten out the map).
So when you look on a flat map, great circle routes LOOK very inefficient. They aren't the shortest paths across the map...but the problem isn't with the route - the problem is with the map itself.
Are "great circles" used in other ways? Presumably. Every time anyone needs the shortest distance across a sphere. It's hard to come up with examples though. We use spheres often enough...we make balls for sports, balls for kids to play with, ball bearings...but I'm having a hard time thinking of other things. Does anyone really care about the distance over a ball bearing or a basketball? I guess not.
Just because you can't come up with another example of something doesn't make it untrue.
(https://i.pinimg.com/736x/08/37/66/083766784bd69e042271e0f6c3b41aa9--yarn-ball-lights-yarn-lanterns.jpg)
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did you see the article where the guy was flying from New York to London. :)
In the middle of the flight he saw snow. The lady said - oh, that's because we are flying over Greenland. :o
On a flat map, you go straight over greenland to get to London. But when you draw that route on a globe you go off 100's of miles. >o<
Great circle or no great circle, the plane was supposedly flying hundreds of miles off route. And you know what made me a believer in flat earth is - Follow the Money. :-B The airlines are not going to waste all that fuel for nothing. They fly the straightest path possible.
The mother of all Great Circles is Linus's Great Pumpkin. Some people may as well believe in It also. ha ha ;D
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did you see the article where the guy was flying from New York to London. :)
In the middle of the flight he saw snow. The lady said - oh, that's because we are flying over Greenland. :o
On a flat map, you go straight over greenland to get to London. But when you draw that route on a globe you go off 100's of miles. >o<
Great circle or no great circle, the plane was supposedly flying hundreds of miles off route. And you know what made me a believer in flat earth is - Follow the Money. :-B The airlines are not going to waste all that fuel for nothing. They fly the straightest path possible.
actually the difference is in the order of 2-300 miles, (ca 10% of the total) and my supposition would be that it would be amply offset by the safety of flying over or near land, instead of over the ocean.
But that's actually moot, because in no FE map I've ever seen the route from London to New York would fly you over Greenland. Do you have a different FE map you would want to submit?
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did you see the article where the guy was flying from New York to London. :)
In the middle of the flight he saw snow. The lady said - oh, that's because we are flying over Greenland. :o
On a flat map, you go straight over greenland to get to London. But when you draw that route on a globe you go off 100's of miles. >o<
Great circle or no great circle, the plane was supposedly flying hundreds of miles off route. And you know what made me a believer in flat earth is - Follow the Money. :-B The airlines are not going to waste all that fuel for nothing. They fly the straightest path possible.
The mother of all Great Circles is Linus's Great Pumpkin. Some people may as well believe in It also. ha ha ;D
It must be said, that your powers of scrutiny re the veracity of what you read and post is not impressive, having said that at the moment there are currently 2 hurricanes (Maria & Lee 26th sept 2017) heading North and North-east across the Atlantic, come the weekend they will be level with Newfoundland, as such any airliner will be doing its best to avoid the remnants of these weather systems (probably post tropical storms by then) and will almost definitely going out of their way to do this, where do you think such aircraft may go?
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On a flat map, you go straight over greenland to get to London. But when you draw that route on a globe you go off 100's of miles. >o<
False. No model shows the shortest path straight over greenland.
(https://www.mytrexinc.com/g/fe/london1.png)
(https://www.mytrexinc.com/g/fe/london2.png)
(https://sites.google.com/site/citespace101/_/rsrc/1438612219692/7-interactive-visualization/7-5-generate-google-earth-maps/earth.png)
Follow the Money. :-B The airlines are not going to waste all that fuel for nothing. They fly the straightest path possible.
True. Excellent logic.
And you know what made me a believer in flat earth is - Follow the Money. :-B
Confused. This should make you a round earth believer. Perhaps the initial false premise is throwing you off.
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To Terry, Definition;
To redefine stupidity, one sentence at a time.
We need a like button
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To Terry, Definition;
To redefine stupidity, one sentence at a time.
We need a like button
I can't tell you the number of times I have deleted unkind comments towards Terry. He seems to take anything flat Earthy as 100% true without putting any thought into it. Planes flying over the sun, FFS. Even in his dome, that can't happen.
Terry, what a woman says on a flight doesn't make it true. They were probably over New Foundland since most routes don't cross Greenland.
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to Pyscho
Nobody gets obliterated around here because everybody is so stubborn - they don't believe you when you hit them with the truth right between their eyes. >o<
I am sssooooooooo humble, (stretching the imagination) that only "I" have the power around here to see my mistakes when pointed out. I remember the last time that happened about 30 years ago.....
The problem here lies in the reasonability of evidence and the use of logic to arrive at a conclusion. Nobody can prove that there is not a pink teapot somewhere in the universe that created everything and we should all be hailing to a pink teapot. However it is very highly improbable therefore not reasonable or logical given other evidence.
If you go to sleep in your house and wake up to see snow on the ground outside do you automatically assume someone must of used a snow machine and cover the ground to fool you? Probably not because it's reasonable to assume that it snowed while you were sleeping.