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Flat Earth Theory / Re: Why should the Earth be flat?
« on: January 21, 2019, 01:45:05 AM »
What kind of information, known and unknown variables etc should we post with our image?

As much as we feel is relevant.  The more the better, but for a bare minimum I would say is location (as specific as one feels comfortable sharing), and time the photos were taken.
Other details you can include can be the photo metadata, such as ISO, exposure time, focal length, etc.

My 100mm lens is pretty fast, but my 500mm is super slow and would probably suck tonight.  It also happens to be -32c outside right now, so I hope my camera doesn't just crap out on me.

And if you happen to notice a dark planet, mysterious celestial object, or obsidian monolith of sorts, include that as well.  We can play ominous music while viewing them.

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Flat Earth Investigations / 2019 Total Lunar Eclipse
« on: January 21, 2019, 01:24:05 AM »
In 4 hours, the blood moon eclipse will reach totality in NA, SA, Greenland, Iceland, and the UK.  If you're in one of these locations, let's try to take photos if we have a clear sky above us.

It will begin around 11:41 p.m. ET on Jan. 20 and peak around 12:16 a.m. ET on Jan. 21.

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Flat Earth Theory / Re: Why should the Earth be flat?
« on: January 21, 2019, 01:19:13 AM »
In just 4 hours there will be a blood moon eclipse whose totality will be visible simultaneously by all in North America, South America, Greenland, Ireland, UK.  It is not possible for a flat object to look spherical from all of these observation points simultaneously.

sandokhan, how would you explain this to be possible?

I urge everyone RE and FE located on one of the aforementioned bodies of land to go outside and observe (and photograph if possible) this event so we can post the results.

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Flat Earth Theory / Re: Why should the Earth be flat?
« on: January 20, 2019, 08:17:47 PM »
Oh goody.  More from your monologue.  The ripples did not exhibit the behaviour consistent with ripples on a liquid surface.

But since you're here, are you the only one here that believes the sun, moon, and other celestial bodies are flat?  Is the wiki, and every other flat earther here wrong?

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Flat Earth Theory / Re: The Coriolis Effect
« on: January 20, 2019, 08:02:53 PM »
Its more like RET is claiming something without evidence.

Just looking at Wikipedia, I see a number of examples of its effect listed.  Are you suggesting that everything there is false and every one of those references listed on the wiki is incorrect?

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Flat Earth Theory / Re: Why should the Earth be flat?
« on: January 20, 2019, 06:41:58 PM »
It is acknowledged by FET through observation that the Sun and Moon and planets are all round.  So my question to you then quite simply is why should the Earth be flat?

Recently, sandokhan claimed that the sun, moon, and planets are flat.

If the Sun has a discoidal shape, then so must all of the other planets (including Jupiter).

While the flat earthers are so quick to bark at the slightest errors in RE posts, they completely ignored this statement by sandokhan, which contradicts the wiki as well as statements made by other flat earthers here.

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Flat Earth Theory / Re: Evidence for Universal Accelerator force
« on: January 19, 2019, 01:33:49 AM »
"The Universal Accelerator answers this long-standing mystery, which has baffled generations of scientists, by positing that the earth is accelerating upwards. "

Which scientists, if any, have accepted this assumption as fact?

I also find it interesting that the wiki quotes Professor Cox.  Here's an interesting quote from him, too.  Perhaps this can also be added to the wiki:

"If I pick up a snowball, it's not spherical - it's kind of an irregular shape.
"But as I start adding mass to it, the gravitational pull becomes bigger.
"So I'll get to a point where this snowball will be so massive that the gravitational pull on its surface will be so strong that it will start to squash the material out of which it's made - in this case, snow. Or in the case of a planet or moon - the rock."


One more nice quote from the wiki:
"Why should something that is allegedly all around us be undetectable by all of science?"

A quick answer to this is that we haven't advanced that far scientifically.  You can go back in time in the early 1800s and ask the same question of radiation.  It doesn't make it any less real.

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Philosophy, Religion & Society / Re: Trump
« on: January 18, 2019, 08:44:58 PM »
https://www.buzzfeednews.com/article/jasonleopold/trump-russia-cohen-moscow-tower-mueller-investigation

whoops.
Why would the feds disclose such critical information to Buzzfeed and not, I dunno, Congress?
One of two ways to look at it...

The feds already know the good people elected to Congress are already so full of shit the feds are seeking to spare them the ignominy of digesting any more...

Or its just bullshit...

Trump has the goods on all these filthy POS...

MSM is merely spoonfeeding the daily dose of fake drama to keep people on the edge of their seat...

Meanwhile:

Unemployment at historically low numbers, especially among blacks and hispanics.

GDP at levels not seen in over 30 years...

The US is now the leading oil producing/exporting nation...

Yeah, this really helps Russia, our sworn enemy (according to libtards)...

ALL HAIL OUR ILLUSTRIOUS AND BELOVED LEADER!!!


I wonder when libtards will give a good reason for why Russia so badly wants the US to have great unemployment and a strong economy that they'd plant an agent in the WH.

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Flat Earth Community / Re: Samuel Birley aka Rowbotham
« on: January 18, 2019, 04:31:12 PM »
Placebos don't cure chronic diseases overnight. Please point out a placebo that cured a disease.
Nor do medicines. You again show in this post you don't understand what a double blind medical trial is and why it's important.

If there is a body of research and knowledge on the matter, on what happens to people with a chronic illnesses when you give them nothing or something non-effective, then you already have that research, and conducing that full study is not actually necessary. There are many studies which refer to previous literature as their control.

In a previous example, phosphorous cured a hopeless case of disease. Did that doctor need to give someone a placebo and sentence them to death before reporting his successful result? No.

Quote from: Bad Puppy link=topic=11825.msg179935#mAsg179935AC
Are you having trouble comprehending my question?  Let me make this simple..... Choose A, or B.  A single letter response would suffice.

Definition of clinical study:

A) A controlled study is mainly needed when you don't know about the disease.
B) A clinical study that includes a comparison (control) group. The comparison group receives a placebo, another treatment, or no treatment at all.

None of that is needed. The doctors know what a hopeless case is, and the doctors know what a chronic disease is.

You are being difficult because you have no evidence to contradict the links given, and really have no standing argument on the matter.

If you don't understand what a clinical study actually is, it means you can't understand their relevance.  And if you can't understand that, then you're clearly not qualified to argue for the validity of his phosphorus treatments.

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Flat Earth Community / Re: Samuel Birley aka Rowbotham
« on: January 18, 2019, 04:15:24 PM »
I'll add this to the list of things Tom doesn't understand.

A controlled double-blind study is always preferable as it eliminates factors such as the placebo effect which can be quite powerful - if people are told that they're being given something which will make them feel better then they often do even if the medicine itself has no effect. That's pretty much how homeopathy works. A double blind study with a control eliminates that factor.

Placebos don't cure chronic diseases overnight. Please point out a placebo that cured a disease.

I am requesting that you clarify why your claimed definition of the term that you used "controlled study" is not consistent with the definitions I have seen on medical sites on the internet, and what your source is for your definition.

You are clearly misinformed on the matter. A great number of the controlled studies just refer to previous literature and cases on the disease as their control group. It's not actually necessary to continuously repeat the action of not treating people and causing them to suffer.

Are you having trouble comprehending my question?  Let me make this simple..... Choose A, or B.  A single letter response would suffice.

Definition of clinical study:

A) A controlled study is mainly needed when you don't know about the disease.
B) A clinical study that includes a comparison (control) group. The comparison group receives a placebo, another treatment, or no treatment at all.

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Flat Earth Community / Re: Samuel Birley aka Rowbotham
« on: January 18, 2019, 03:42:00 PM »
When a disease is known, controlled studies with some people receiving placebos is unnecessary and unethical. People with stage 4 cancer don't just spontaneously cure themselves, for example. It would be unethical to give one person medicine that may help them, and withhold it from another patient with the same affliction, "just to see what will happen". The doctor knows what will happen, and that doctor knew that those people would continue to be in pain.

I won't be drawn into a pointless debate about the ethics or necessity of controlled studies.

I am requesting that you clarify why your claimed definition of the term that you used "controlled study" is not consistent with the definitions I have seen on medical sites on the internet, and what your source is for your definition.

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Flat Earth Community / Re: Samuel Birley aka Rowbotham
« on: January 18, 2019, 03:28:16 PM »
Where are the evidence-based studies showing phosphorus to be effective? All you've done is given us a list of 35 patients who were treated by phosphorus in the year 1875. That is a tiny sample size to base the efficacy of phosphorus on. We don't even know whether they got the same treatment.

You have given us zero case studies on phosphorous. The fact that the issues were resolved for those people in a very short amount of time upon taking phosphorous is evidence enough. Where is your evidence that it is faked, the doctors were slipping in opium or whatever, and that these doctors, and Rowbotham, are shams?

Tom, your evidence isn't perfect, it doesn't even approach a controlled, rigorous study. There could have been a placebo effect at play. Some lurking variables like lifestyle, age, etc. could have also had an effect. Indeed, if you actually looked at the tables, only 16 patients reported a cure, 1 a partial cure, 9 relief, 1 improvement, 2 temporary improvement, 5 no improvement, and one case actually worsened with the phosphorus! Even better, take a look at this table, from your own source:

That's a lot of diseases reported from the patients, some patients having multiple nervous ailments, are you now going to claim phosphorus as some neuralgia panacea? How do you interpret the results now? Just because a majority of the patients reported an improvement or cure doesn't make it good evidence. There are too many loose ends in the evidence you've provided to make a conclusion without more data, which you haven't provided. I'm not calling the doctors liars, it's just disingenuous of you to present a list as a study , and call it evidence.

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Evidence-based medical studies? Maybe if you looked at your own evidence you'd find it's just a list of cases where phosphorus was used. Don't know how you get a medical study out of that. Was there a randomization of the experimental units (i.e. the patients). Was there a control group? Was a placebo used? Was the same treatment even used for all the patients in your list? Phosphorus treatment is a rather vague and general term. What levels of dosage were tested with the treatments? And most importantly, has your "evidence-based medical study" ever been replicated? Don't just throw around words without knowing what they mean.

Dosage is discussed in the texts.

If you can't contradict the claims of the doctors with evidence of equal or greater power, then you have no evidence. Your speculation is not evidence. I would suggest learning what evidence is. It is not speculation. It's nice that you are skeptical. But you have no evidence to base your accusations on. No evidence. None. Once you can show evidence, you may suggest that all of these doctors are liars.

Speculation? You claimed your data was an evidence-based medical study. I said your data was merely a list of patients and I gave you the criteria of what a study is and isn't. Out of that barrage of questions, you were only able to address one, so here they are a little more clearer.

How were the experimental units organized in the experiment, by randomization, blocking, or matched pairs?

Was there a control group?

Was a placebo used?

Was the same treatment even used for all the patients given the variation of treatments from your own sources, from solutions of phosphoric acid to a mixture of phosphoric acid and tea, to pills.

Was your "evidence-based medical study" ever replicated?

Bonus Question: Was any form of blinding used?

If you can't answer those questions, then it's not a medical study. In fact, if you read the title of the page of of your "evidence-based medical study," it says
"Tabulated List of cases Treated with Free Phosphorus," nowhere do I see the word study.

I never claimed my questions based on the definition of a study, or what you call speculation was evidence, I'm merely questioning your evidence, and frankly, your evidence is rather weak to support your claims. You're claiming phosphorus has curative properties towards neuralgia. Now, a general rule of thumb in writing research is finding sources relative to your claims, for example, if you write an art paper about cubism, a lot of your sources might be art critics in the 20's. What you're saying is phosphorus can cure people of nerve ailments, medicine is a very dynamic field, yet your source is 124 years old, is not even a study, and does not have any studies corroborating its claims, not then, nor now, nor any time in between. Your source is not proportional to your claims.

A controlled study is mainly needed when you don't know about the disease. Do you think the doctors involved didn't know anything about the disease they were treating, and that it was perfectly normal for those diseases to cure rapidly on its own own after taking a new prescription, or that deliberating pain just goes away on its own with anything prescribed to the patient? That's ludicrous.

Evidence was provided, and you were not able to contradict it.

If you google "controlled study" you'll quickly find that's not what it means. 

Here are a few definitions which came up...

- "A clinical trial in which a test agent is compared to a standard treatment with known effects. The control group may receive no treatment, active treatment, placebo or dose comparison concurrent control." https://medical-dictionary.thefreedictionary.com/controlled+study

- "An experiment or clinical trial in which two groups are used for comparison purpose." https://www.greenfacts.org/glossary/abc/controlled-study.htm

- "A clinical study that includes a comparison (control) group. The comparison group receives a placebo, another treatment, or no treatment at all." https://www.cancer.gov/publications/dictionaries/cancer-terms/def/controlled-clinical-trial

From all the definitions I've seen, which essentially the same as above but in different words, not a single one said anything even remotely close to "A controlled study is mainly needed when you don't know about the disease."

Where did you pull your definition from?  Cite the source, too.

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Even though I am a round earther, that is some damn good artwork. (I am also an artist. I run a graphics design business on the side).

I agree.  It is a very nice piece.  Certainly easier to hang on a wall than a globe.

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Flat Earth Theory / Re: Jupiter
« on: January 17, 2019, 01:41:27 AM »
I would imagine there's a fair amount of discussion and validation of the claims of astronomy in any university astronomy and astrophysics classroom.  Do you really think they're just a bunch of sheep that will take what's fed to them without any critical thinking?

Have you taken a course in astronomy in college? That's exactly how it works. Questioning is not encouraged.

What's that supposed to mean?  It's up to the student to be proactive and ask questions.  Are you suggesting that they actively discourage questioning in astronomy classes?  Did you take an astronomy course and had your questions denied?  Or did you just not like the answers because they went against your beliefs?


And again, your view on Jupiter.....flat or not?  Simple question.  I'll start.  I think it's round.

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Flat Earth Theory / Re: Jupiter
« on: January 17, 2019, 01:24:20 AM »
I don't see any similar independent validation and checks for the claims of astronomy. It appears that you guys don't care about validation or inquiry at all.

How many astronomers, astrophysicists, cosmologists and similar folk do you think there are in the world, Tom?

Certainly far more than the number of Flat Earthers. The number of amateur astronomers boasts in the hundreds of thousands to 1 million+, in fact  Yet none appear interested in discussion or validation of the claims of astronomy. Look at the dancing around of the issue that the methods of triangulation in astronomy are invalid in this thread, for example.

I would imagine there's a fair amount of discussion and validation of the claims of astronomy in any university astronomy and astrophysics classroom.  Do you really think they're just a bunch of sheep that will take what's fed to them without any critical thinking?

And how about Jupiter's discoid shape, Tom?  Do you agree or disagree with Sandokhan that Jupiter is discoid?

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Flat Earth Theory / Re: Jupiter
« on: January 17, 2019, 12:24:25 AM »
Yeah, I got one of those, too.




Regarding Jupiter, which one is it, guys?  You can't seem to agree on planets.  Who will concede?  Sandokhan, or the others?

Quote from: From the FAQ
If the planets are round, why isn't the Earth?
The 2007 retrograde of Mars. Retrograde motion occurs from the fact that the planets are revolving around the sun while the sun itself moves around the hub of the earth. This particular path the planets take makes it appear as if several of them make a loop along their journeys across the night sky.

Planets (from Ancient Greek ἀστὴρ πλανήτης [astēr planētēs, "wandering star"], or just πλανήτης [planḗtēs, "wanderer"]) are orbiting astronomical objects. The Earth is not a planet by definition, as it sits at the center of our solar system above which the planets and the Sun revolve. The earths uniqueness, fundamental differences and centrality makes any comparison to other nearby celestial bodies insufficient - Like comparing basketballs to the court on which they bounce.

Other planets/moons are not flat

Here is an answer to that question:

Q. If the planets are round, why isn't the earth?

A. The earth is not a planet. The earth very large and unlike the characteristics of the wandering stars called "planets" in numerous ways. This is like asking why basketballs are round, but not the basketball court. The basketball court is a fundamentally different kind of entity than the small balls which may bounce upon its surface.

Jupiter has the same diameter as that of the Moon, Sun, Black Sun, Shadow Moon.

Its shape is discoidal, it is the layers of clouds which rotate above its surface.

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Flat Earth Theory / Re: Jupiter
« on: January 17, 2019, 12:04:42 AM »
What truth would that be then?

The continual validation and revalidation of astronomy. Astronomy is alleged to be a science. Yet you admit to astronomers being uninterested in  discussion, validation, and checks of basic knowledge.

That's a bit ironic considering how your flawless source of everything flat-earth is a book that's almost 140 years old. 

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Flat Earth Theory / Re: Jupiter
« on: January 16, 2019, 05:46:43 PM »
How do I know Jupiter is rotating?  Because I have seen it rotating through my telescopes.  I take it you don't have a telescope then otherwise you would be able to see the same thing I do.  I can send you images of the red spot moving across the disk if you wish.  Not a problem for me.  Images that I took by the way with my own equipment with no funding (sadly!) from NASA.
You see a red spot on the surface of any object and come to the conclusion that because you see the red spot moving the object must be moving?

I find this conclusion to be highly dubious.

I have observed Jupiter through a telescope in my astronomy class while in college. I wasn't able to ascertain any rotation.

Further, I doubt you are in possession of a 30K USD instrument of any form and fashion.

How are you coming to the conclusion that shootingstar doesn't have access to a 30K USD instrument of any form and fashion?  In my field of work (which has nothing to do with astronomy) I am in possession of equipment worth well over $300K USD.  But, it seems par for the course to be making conclusions without knowing the facts first.

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Flat Earth Theory / Re: Jupiter
« on: January 16, 2019, 05:38:39 PM »
Find a book that will tell you that the earth is round and stop bothering us.

Would you accept a single book that shows that the earth is round?

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Flat Earth Community / Re: Newbie
« on: January 16, 2019, 04:31:22 AM »
I'd have no reason to doubt their success.  It's just the moon, and not a trip to the heliopause.  I don't see why there would be any need to fake it.  As for the image that has the giant white line - I'd imagine that anyone sending out fake footage of a moon landing would make sure it's as convincing as possible before releasing it.  It would seem counter intuitive to spend all that time making a convincing video only to screw up on the photo with an obvious mistake that everyone can see plainly.

So, I don't think it's faked.  I also believe that there's no space travel conspiracy, and that the Earth, Sun, Moon, and other planets in our solar system are spheroid in nature.

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