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Re: The Zetetic Council
« Reply #40 on: January 18, 2014, 07:24:10 PM »
As I said, I was expecting more people to actually give some input on the council. I'd like to have a more concrete idea of our role, responsibilities, rights, etc. before saying something official.
To my understanding, writing a constitution was supposed to be the first task of the Council, but this is being ignored for some reason.

That reason is that I'm waiting on input from you and others. I feel that the Council shouldn't make its own constitution in a forum where non-council members can't even post. If you'd rather we just do it and trust us not to screw up, I'd be happy to.

EDIT: apparently we're doing it. Alrighty then.
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« Reply #41 on: January 18, 2014, 09:15:09 PM »
You can't just wait for input forever. Make a draft and show it to others for discussion.
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Re: The Zetetic Council
« Reply #42 on: January 18, 2014, 09:29:12 PM »
You can't just wait for input forever. Make a draft and show it to others for discussion.

Way ahead of you
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Re: The Zetetic Council
« Reply #43 on: January 20, 2014, 08:22:28 PM »
Re-post from this thread, seemed more relevant here:  http://forum.tfes.org/index.php?topic=866.0

The text of Earth Not a Globe is public domain.  Several small independent publishers have re-released it in paperback and Kindle editions are numerous.

What if we, as a society, put together a definitive, annotated edition of Earth Not a Globe and self-published?  It's pretty easy to do, and we have the minds here to produce a pretty complete work.  FES branded, with our 21st century take on the 19th century text, sold here on the site, with proceeds going to... a charity of some sort?

Thoughts?

This is probably Zetetic Council territory, so I leave the idea to them.  I've done book layouts and cover designs before, so as far as the electronic side of things I could handle that, and as far as printing, self-publishing is super easy now with tools like https://www.createspace.com/.  Printing is done on demand as the books are ordered, so there's no need to stockpile inventory or print a large run at the outset.

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Re: The Zetetic Council
« Reply #44 on: January 20, 2014, 11:22:52 PM »
My input on the Constitution and council:

Am I allowed to post on this forum so long as I don't act like a dick?
If yes then I don't care about anything else.
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« Reply #45 on: January 20, 2014, 11:29:28 PM »
My input on the Constitution and council:

Am I allowed to post on this forum so long as I don't act like a dick?
If yes then I don't care about anything else.
That's our remit, not theirs. The answer, however, is yes.
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« Reply #46 on: January 20, 2014, 11:31:32 PM »
My input on the Constitution and council:

Am I allowed to post on this forum so long as I don't act like a dick?
If yes then I don't care about anything else.
That's our remit, not theirs. The answer, however, is yes.
If the council isn't going to(or able to) restrict the forum's access then I suspect that most people on this forum aren't interested in what the council does.
If you are going to DebOOonK an expert then you have to at least provide a source with credentials of equal or greater relevance. Even then, it merely shows that some experts disagree with each other.

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« Reply #47 on: January 20, 2014, 11:58:48 PM »
The council is about the society itself. We're happy to leave the running of the forum to the admins and the mods. It seems to work better that way. We're more in charge of things like the FAQ and the Wiki

Re-post from this thread, seemed more relevant here:  http://forum.tfes.org/index.php?topic=866.0

The text of Earth Not a Globe is public domain.  Several small independent publishers have re-released it in paperback and Kindle editions are numerous.

What if we, as a society, put together a definitive, annotated edition of Earth Not a Globe and self-published?  It's pretty easy to do, and we have the minds here to produce a pretty complete work.  FES branded, with our 21st century take on the 19th century text, sold here on the site, with proceeds going to... a charity of some sort?

Thoughts?

This is probably Zetetic Council territory, so I leave the idea to them.  I've done book layouts and cover designs before, so as far as the electronic side of things I could handle that, and as far as printing, self-publishing is super easy now with tools like https://www.createspace.com/.  Printing is done on demand as the books are ordered, so there's no need to stockpile inventory or print a large run at the outset.

I quite like this idea.
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Re: The Zetetic Council
« Reply #48 on: January 21, 2014, 12:35:19 AM »
Haha the FAQ and the wiki eh? Then what was the council even for? Any muppet can do that.

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« Reply #49 on: January 21, 2014, 01:04:20 AM »
Haha the FAQ and the wiki eh? Then what was the council even for? Any muppet can do that.
Well, what did you expect? It has been clear since the beginning of the idea of the Council that forum staff would be in charge of the technical stuff. You seem extremely bitter about very simple facts, and yet you offer no alternative, or anything of use, really.
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Re: The Zetetic Council
« Reply #50 on: January 21, 2014, 01:07:23 AM »
The council is about the society itself. We're happy to leave the running of the forum to the admins and the mods. It seems to work better that way. We're more in charge of things like the FAQ and the Wiki

The forum is the single most representative presence this society has.  Yes there are some minor groups in various places but this is where everyone goes.  This is where they talk to leaders and learn about the society.  This is where they meet their first flat earther.

If the council doesn't control the forum, does it have any real power?
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Re: The Zetetic Council
« Reply #51 on: January 21, 2014, 01:18:40 AM »
The council is about the society itself. We're happy to leave the running of the forum to the admins and the mods. It seems to work better that way. We're more in charge of things like the FAQ and the Wiki

The forum is the single most representative presence this society has.  Yes there are some minor groups in various places but this is where everyone goes.  This is where they talk to leaders and learn about the society.  This is where they meet their first flat earther.

If the council doesn't control the forum, does it have any real power?

The council doesn't need to control the forum's members - moderators are more than capable of doing that.  The council has the more important task of overseeing the forum's content.  Essentially, they're the public face of not only the society, but of Flat Earth Theory as a concept.  If I were visiting a time-traveling web forum on scientists of the early 20th century, I would rather Albert Einstein, Max Planck, and Madam Curie focus on ongoing discussion, debate, and fact sharing, not policing alts and trolls.  To make a rather obtuse analogy.

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« Reply #52 on: January 21, 2014, 01:29:33 AM »
Haha the FAQ and the wiki eh? Then what was the council even for? Any muppet can do that.
If nothing else, the council can (theoretically) provide an authoritative voice to the FAQ and wiki.  Just keep Tom away from the BoP article.
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« Reply #53 on: January 21, 2014, 01:30:57 AM »
The council is about the society itself. We're happy to leave the running of the forum to the admins and the mods. It seems to work better that way. We're more in charge of things like the FAQ and the Wiki

The forum is the single most representative presence this society has.  Yes there are some minor groups in various places but this is where everyone goes.  This is where they talk to leaders and learn about the society.  This is where they meet their first flat earther.

If the council doesn't control the forum, does it have any real power?

What, exactly, do you expect us to do with the forum?
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« Reply #54 on: January 21, 2014, 01:34:56 AM »
What, exactly, do you expect us to do with the forum?
Use it as a medium to further research FET, perhaps?
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« Reply #55 on: January 21, 2014, 02:15:51 AM »
What, exactly, do you expect us to do with the forum?
Use it as a medium to further research FET, perhaps?

That wouldn't be controlling the forum in any way, shape, or form. Thank you for your input.
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« Reply #56 on: January 21, 2014, 02:33:28 AM »
The council is about the society itself. We're happy to leave the running of the forum to the admins and the mods. It seems to work better that way. We're more in charge of things like the FAQ and the Wiki

The forum is the single most representative presence this society has.  Yes there are some minor groups in various places but this is where everyone goes.  This is where they talk to leaders and learn about the society.  This is where they meet their first flat earther.

If the council doesn't control the forum, does it have any real power?

What, exactly, do you expect us to do with the forum?
Ensure it is policed properly.
Organize the forum's discussions.
Promote events.
Debate FET.
Pick visual themes.
Request add-ons to enhance the forum's ability to discuss FET.
Elevate members to positions of authority or just rewarded titles.

Plenty of things.
If you are going to DebOOonK an expert then you have to at least provide a source with credentials of equal or greater relevance. Even then, it merely shows that some experts disagree with each other.

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« Reply #57 on: January 21, 2014, 02:37:05 AM »
The council is about the society itself. We're happy to leave the running of the forum to the admins and the mods. It seems to work better that way. We're more in charge of things like the FAQ and the Wiki

The forum is the single most representative presence this society has.  Yes there are some minor groups in various places but this is where everyone goes.  This is where they talk to leaders and learn about the society.  This is where they meet their first flat earther.

If the council doesn't control the forum, does it have any real power?

What, exactly, do you expect us to do with the forum?
Ensure it is policed properly.
Organize the forum's discussions.
Promote events.
Debate FET.
Pick visual themes.
Request add-ons to enhance the forum's ability to discuss FET.
Elevate members to positions of authority or just rewarded titles.

Plenty of things.

Some of those things are really the job of the admins or the mods. There's no reason for us to get all up in their grill, yo. It would just be needless bureaucracy. Debating FET is by default. If we aren't active members of the society we would never get voted in. We are discussing eventually creating an official members position, but we've decided to hold off on that until the forum is larger. You can see all of this, and more, just by looking in the board.
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« Reply #58 on: January 21, 2014, 02:46:12 AM »
The council is about the society itself. We're happy to leave the running of the forum to the admins and the mods. It seems to work better that way. We're more in charge of things like the FAQ and the Wiki

The forum is the single most representative presence this society has.  Yes there are some minor groups in various places but this is where everyone goes.  This is where they talk to leaders and learn about the society.  This is where they meet their first flat earther.

If the council doesn't control the forum, does it have any real power?

What, exactly, do you expect us to do with the forum?
Ensure it is policed properly.
Organize the forum's discussions.
Promote events.
Debate FET.
Pick visual themes.
Request add-ons to enhance the forum's ability to discuss FET.
Elevate members to positions of authority or just rewarded titles.

Plenty of things.

Some of those things are really the job of the admins or the mods. There's no reason for us to get all up in their grill, yo. It would just be needless bureaucracy. Debating FET is by default. If we aren't active members of the society we would never get voted in. We are discussing eventually creating an official members position, but we've decided to hold off on that until the forum is larger. You can see all of this, and more, just by looking in the board.
You misunderstand.
Its your job to make sure the mods are doing their jobs.  So you get up in their grill when they aren't cooking the burgers.  Ya dig?
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« Reply #59 on: January 21, 2014, 02:49:31 AM »
Its your job to make sure the mods are doing their jobs.
No, it's ours.
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