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Flat Earth Theory / Re: Start from the VERY top!
« on: November 02, 2014, 04:20:25 PM »
The earth isn't infinite. This is the delusion of John Davis. Why we keep getting roped into this stupid theory I will never know.

An infinite earth would bisect the universe, act like a floor. It would also allow you to traverse the galaxy by car. Nothing in nature is infinite. An infinite earth has to have infinite mass. ergo either infinite gravity - all the stars are now stuck to the floor, or infinite acceleration with infinite power to move the earth upwards to give us an equivalence. John Davis is not a very smart man. Can we stop looking to his answers as ones that might have some credibility?

Who is John Davis? The idea of an "infite flat Earth" reminds me of an image I found while doing research on FET. It's a religious concept I think. Most FE theorists believe that the Earth is finite, but no one is really sure what the true measure of it is. 

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So discovery of truth would be left to the individual who is following ZP then. One Zeteticist couldn't convince another Zeteticist of the discovery, leaving that Zeteticist to explore on his/her own; is that about right?

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>Vauxhall; Does FET take into account curvature like hills, mountains, etc.? In the city where I live I often feel the roundness of the ground as i walk across certain areas. I could see a Zetetic counter argument from people who live in very mountainous areas for example. If mathematics, video, photography, etc., aren't enough to satisfy ZP, then what sort of experimentation would be enough to satisfy an observation?

It seems like a massive experiment would have to take place to prove without any doubt that FET is true. And it could be the case that to satisfy ZP, the world technology would have to advance a great deal because it would have to be tangible evidence and not documented evidence. ZP is difficult to persuade, so I wonder if that might be the "essence" of it. A sort of stubbornness that requires 100% tangible evidence to be satisfied. 


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>Vauxhall; Would you say that the Zetetic method prefers tangible evidence as opposed to intangible evidence? For example, would mathematical and photographic evidence of a globular Earth be acceptable within ZP, or would it be consider fraudulent because both those things could be manipulated? If that's the case, what sort of evidence could persuade someone who prefers the ZP method?

>Gulliver; I have no idea what AWT is...

>Rama Set; I understand that FET is not considered science, but I'm trying to understand Zetetic philosophy and it's methodology as it pertains to FET. I am more interested in FET in a philosophical or ontological way rather than anything else. So, regardless of the shape of the Earth, I'm just trying to really understand ZP and it's influence, and also it's pros and cons as a method.


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The scientific method takes a theory and then tries to prove it. Zetetic Method doesn't start with a theory, it starts with an observation and then experimentation to come to the conclusion. They are similar but different.

At least that's my understanding. The Earth is flat because it obviously looks flat, and the experiments that came afterward seem to support this.

If I'm off base then someone please correct me.

What if the Zeteticist involved had poor vision or was blind, could person still take part in an investigation using his/her other senses as observation?

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Flat Earth Theory / What is the basic essence of "Zetetic Philosophy"?
« on: October 26, 2014, 08:03:24 PM »
If the scientific method is; observe, ask a question, form a hypothesis, experiment, analyze results, accept or reject hypothesis, and make a conclusion; then what would be the Zetetic methodology be and how would it differ from the scientific method?

If you were to deconstruct Robowtham's Zetetic philosophy to its most basic components, what elements would remain? And how could Zetetic philosophy apply to concepts beyond FE theory?

Also, when it comes to Robowtham's writings (if you've read his book and articles), do you feel as though his methods are dogmatic (possibly because of his religious background) or is there room for improvement? Would it be too controversial to change concepts from a book that is taken so seriously by so many FE believers? Or, would it be best to leave Robowtham's book untouched but write a book using his original as a sort of springboard for new ideas?

I've just started reading The Earth is not a Globe so I may be asking the wrong questions. I also don't know much about FE theory as a whole, since I'm so new to trying to understand it, so I don't know what other research has been done. I do know that there is a good deal of research that is based solely on religious texts and scripture, and some that are based on old scientific ideas.

Thanks!

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Philosophy, Religion & Society / Re: Ask a Jew anything.
« on: October 26, 2014, 07:28:02 PM »
I thought they mostly practiced Voodooism in Africa?

I thought voodoo was Haitian in origin, but it looks like it has its roots in Africa.

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Philosophy, Religion & Society / Re: Ask a Jew anything.
« on: October 26, 2014, 07:24:07 PM »
In a time where more and more people are walking away from organized religion, and are becoming more cynical towards the spiritual beliefs based on ancient religions, how do you think Judaism and Jewish traditions will survive the next 100 years (assuming the human race makes it another century)? Also, do you think that the spiritual beliefs are just as important as cultural traditions, or does one trump the other?

Where in the world are you speaking of? In Western nations, yes, people are turning from organised religion. But in the rest of the world, it is growing by leaps and bounds. I don't know what part of the planet you live in, but it is clearly NOT the global South, unless its Australia or New Zealand.

Roman Catholicism and the Anglican Church (the Church of England) in Africa are HUGE! 70% of Anglicans live in Africa, for example, rather than in say, England or the US, or white countries where you would think it would be obvious (Canada, Australia, or New Zealand). And it is growing there like crazy, as is the Lutheran Church, and the Roman Catholic Church.

Islam, as much as I despise it, is in NO danger of dying out. If anything, the radical forms of it are experiencing growth.

Judaism tends to remain static. About half of all Jews are cultural Jews, and the other half are ethno-religious Jews, such as myself. I see no signs of Judaism dying out, though.

Certainly being a Jew is partially cultural. That can't be disputed. Judaism is a civilisation as much as it is a religion. In fact, Judaism is a civilisation before it is anything else. The Religion is a part (perhaps the largest part, but still a part) of the the broader civilisation. The civilisation is made up of the cultural, ethnic, linguistic, historic, and of course, religious aspects of what it means to be a Jew.

So, I think that Civilisation is the best way to describe being a Jew, and that Religion is the largest component of said Civilisation. For further information on this, I encourage you to read Judaism as a Civilization, by Mordecai M. Kaplan, the master work on the subject. Although published originally in 1934, it has remained in print, and continues to be the "go-to" book on the topic. I can't recommend it enough. It is brilliant.

I live in the US, and although we have our fair share of radicals and extremists here I feel like a good number of North Americans look down on organized religion (although there are compromises like "Faitheism" or like independent spiritual believers who don't follow any one church or set doctrine). 

Do you see expansion of non-Jewish religious institutions around the world as a good thing, or is it doing more harm than good? Like in poorer nations like in Uganda for example where there is a surplus of religions trying to convert the people there to their way of thinking and approaching spirituality; like Roman Catholicism, and the Anglican Church as you mentioned.

Thank you for the article, it seems like an interesting read.

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Philosophy, Religion & Society / Re: Ask a Jew anything.
« on: October 26, 2014, 06:57:36 PM »
In a time where more and more people are walking away from organized religion, and are becoming more cynical towards the spiritual beliefs based on ancient religions, how do you think Judaism and Jewish traditions will survive the next 100 years (assuming the human race makes it another century)? Also, do you think that the spiritual beliefs are just as important as cultural traditions, or does one trump the other?

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Arts & Entertainment / Re: Anime thread
« on: October 26, 2014, 02:33:33 AM »
Tone down the harem? Not at all. Now there are even more girls after Tenchi. I'm not really sure how this new show is connected to past Tenchi series, but it's fun on it's own. Certainly more fun than GXP.

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Arts & Entertainment / Re: Anime thread
« on: October 26, 2014, 02:13:19 AM »
Just today I got into the series Ai Tenchi Muyo; another sequel/re-imagining/reboot of the Tenchi franchise. It's fun so far because it has all the original characters plus a bunch of new characters, and it's fairly well animated. Each episode is about 4-minutes long, which is fine since I don't really have time to sit down and watch anything these days.

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