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Flat Earth Investigations / Re: Round Earth proof - comments?
« on: April 30, 2019, 05:03:27 AM »
1) Gravity - I have yet to see any compelling argument that explains gravity without using Newton's laws of Physics.
2) Stars and Moon - In the northern hemisphere, the moon appears different than it does in the southern hemisphere.  Also there are different stars in the sky.
3) Lunar Eclipse - During a lunar eclipse, you can see the shadow of the Earth on the moon.
4) Day/Night - There is no way that a flat earth model can explain sufficiently how night and day work using a circular light delusion.
5) You cannot see the the Sierra Nevada Mountains from Las Vegas.  It is the driest place in the world and if it was flat, they should be easily seen with a telescope.
6) Satellites - We depend on them daily to get TV signal, GPS services, and communications to remote locations around the world.   
7) Felix Baumgartner.  When he jumps you can see the curvature of the earth easily.  His story cannot be realistically denied.
8) No one has been to the edge of the flat earth.  Not even Steve-O, who is probably the craziest person on the planet. 
9) U2 Spy Plane pilots can see the curve of the earth.  I knew an air force pilot that flew the SR71 and asked him if he could see it, and he said yes.  It was like he was in space. 
10) 536 Astronauts have been to space.  Also the columbia space mission in 2003 is a well documented mission to space that ended in tragedy. It was videoed until their last minutes they were alive on Feb 1st 2003.
11) There is no world map that does not have distortion.  Only a globe can be reliably used to measure distances to anywhere in the world.
12) Many explorers traversed across Antarctica bearing the bitter cold. The latest trip took 53 days and was well documented. https://www.nationalgeographic.com/adventure/2018/12/explorer-completes-historic-antarctic-trek/ 

I am sure I could go on, but I think that basically until I see a flat earth map that shows an Antarctica that can be traversed, that shows a 50% light/darkness ratio, and no distortion of the land masses, I am not buying flat earth. These things are all easily able to be shown with a Globe and from my experience, usually the simplest solutions are the best solutions.


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According to the FAQ, the seasons are caused by the sun moving towards and away from the north pole. During the Summer (northern hemisphere), the sun is closest to the North Pole, making the Northern hemisphere warmer than the southern hemisphere. During the winter, the opposite is true. Now according to Newton's first law of motion, an object will remain in motion/rest until acted upon by an outside force. This means that in order for the sun to go closer to and farther from the North pole, a force needs to act upon it. What force is causing the sun to do this? What is making it suddenly travel away from the north pole, then towards it after a couple of months?

The more i find out about the flat earth theory, the more I think, "Wow, people actually believe this stuff?". 

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That is absolutely not true.  When I read it, which I have read it a few times, I don't remember any where where it says that the Earth is flat in a literal meaning.  Even when Jesus said go to the ends of the earth to spread the gospel, it did not mean that there was an end of the earth.  Instead it was figurative language that suggests more of a universal scope and not the geographical goal.

In Acts 1:8, Jesus said to the disciples, “But you will receive power when the Holy Spirit comes on you; and you will be my witnesses in Jerusalem, and in all Judea and Samaria, and to the ends of the earth.” (NIV)

In the current round earth model the sun is the center of our solar system and the earth is spinning every 24 hours and also orbiting around the sun. The earth is in motion. Any bible verse which says the earth or the world is not moving supports the flat earth model in which the flat earth does not move at all and everything rotates around it. In addition our solar system is flying through space as well.




Verses that say the earth can't or does not move:

1 Chronicles 16:30:
"The world is firmly established; it cannot be moved."

Psalm 104:5

"He set the earth on its foundations; it can never be moved."

Psalm 93:1

"The world was set in place; it cannot be moved."

Psalm 96:10

"The earth stands firm; it cannot be moved."




If God set the earth on its foundations and it can NEVER be moved then how is the earth spinning to create the round earth day/night cycle?
If God set the earth on its foundations and it can NEVER be moved then how is the earth orbiting the sun?
If God set the earth on its foundations and it can NEVER be moved then how is solar system (with the earth in it) moving through space?

If you believe that the earth is not moving then none of those things listed above are true and you would have no choice but to follow a more biblical flat earth model.






This verse the Devil shows Jesus all the kingdoms of the earth from the top of a mountain. Since people lived all over the earth (like the Aztecs in South America) the only way for Jesus to see all the kingdoms of the earth from the top of a mountain was if the earth was flat:

Matthew 4:8

Anyone in who has experienced an earthquake can verify that the Earth can be moved and it can be moved violently.  Also the bible also has several references to the earth moving.  So obviously these references that you were speaking of, is just a figure of speech.

https://www.openbible.info/topics/earthquakes

   

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That is absolutely not true.  When I read it, which I have read it a few times, I don't remember any where where it says that the Earth is flat in a literal meaning.  Even when Jesus said go to the ends of the earth to spread the gospel, it did not mean that there was an end of the earth.  Instead it was figurative language that suggests more of a universal scope and not the geographical goal.

In Acts 1:8, Jesus said to the disciples, “But you will receive power when the Holy Spirit comes on you; and you will be my witnesses in Jerusalem, and in all Judea and Samaria, and to the ends of the earth.” (NIV)

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Flat Earth Investigations / Re: Flat Earth Map
« on: April 23, 2019, 05:15:57 AM »
Here is one for ya.

Johannesburg to Sydney - 11.75 hour flight
Los Angeles to Shanghai - 13.5 hour flight

Which one of these looks further?


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