[Thork]

So one of the first speeches our Prime Minister gives when get got re-elected he says

For too long, we have been a passively tolerant society, saying to our citizens: as long as you obey the law, we will leave you alone.

What the hell does that mean? That now even if you obey the law they still won't leave you alone? That they are now going to be aggressively intolerant to people who don't break the law? This has to be one of the most sinister things I have ever heard any Western politician say ever. It is breaking the social contract. That we have a right to freedom and liberty so long as we obey the laws of the land. And he wants to remove that?

Does anyone else think this really is the beginning of mass state surveillance and complete financial control? They are already trying to remove cash from our society meaning you have to put money in the bank and keep it there or you can't spend it. And of course the instant you put money in the bank, it ceases to be legally yours. It becomes the bank's money.

[Yaakov ben Avraham]

THORK, for once, you and I might actually at least partially agree with each other. I am not sure of the situation in Britain, of course, since I am not a British subject. But here in America, more and more, perfectly law abiding citizens are becoming the targets of mass spying on the part of the Government. I believe that what Edward Snowden revealed to us was just the proverbial "tip of the iceberg". I consider myself a conservative man, in the lines of the old "Tories", if you will. But what we see in this country, and what you are seeing across the Pond, is nothing that they would EVER have gone for. Churchill would have rolled in his grave if he had ever known of the Britain that exists today. I think Thatcher would cringe.

I don't know what your politics are, and its not of my business unless you choose to tell me. But I think my point is clear to you, and, much as you and I might disagree on many things, I think that this is one area where you (and I) are both right.

EDIT:

And I am fast getting damned sick of my of my left SHIFT key not working!

[Lord Dave]

So one of the first speeches our Prime Minister gives when get got re-elected he says

For too long, we have been a passively tolerant society, saying to our citizens: as long as you obey the law, we will leave you alone.

What the hell does that mean? That now even if you obey the law they still won't leave you alone? That they are now going to be aggressively intolerant to people who don't break the law? This has to be one of the most sinister things I have ever heard any Western politician say ever. It is breaking the social contract. That we have a right to freedom and liberty so long as we obey the laws of the land. And he wants to remove that?

Does anyone else think this really is the beginning of mass state surveillance and complete financial control? They are already trying to remove cash from our society meaning you have to put money in the bank and keep it there or you can't spend it. And of course the instant you put money in the bank, it ceases to be legally yours. It becomes the bank's money.

He's saying "You're all going to do something illegal so we'll stop you BEFORE that happens."

[xasop]

David Cameron seems to be competing with Tony Abbott for the title of worst Commonwealth head of government. Abbott is currently pushing to violate international laws by revoking citizenship from sole Australian nationals involved in terrorism, effectively leaving them stateless, something even his own ministers have spoken out against. I'm honestly not sure which is worse, his comments or Cameron's.

The whole Commonwealth is going down the toilet. Let's all move to America.

[Yaakov ben Avraham]

LORD DAVE, You're right. Recently, here in the States, a Congresswoman from New Hampshire said that if you own a gun it should be registered with the State because you are likely to commit a crime with it in the future so they have to know that you own it beforehand. The fact that she could say such a thing in a nation with the Second Amendment, and not be promptly arrested, tried, and dispatched for treason is a sad commentary on where our country is.

But, whatever one thinks of the merits of gun ownership or the lack thereof, the fact that it is legal in our society to own guns, and the fact that this woman is saying that a person who is a law abiding citizen is likely to commit a crime even though he is in full compliance with the law is an example of what you are talking about. She wants to stop us from breaking the law even before the law has been been broken.

[Yaakov ben Avraham]

David Cameron seems to be competing with Tony Abbott for the title of worst Commonwealth head of government. Abbott is currently pushing to violate international laws by revoking citizenship from sole Australian nationals involved in terrorism, effectively leaving them stateless, something even his own ministers have spoken out against. I'm honestly not sure which is worse, his comments or Cameron's.

The whole Commonwealth is going down the toilet. Let's all move to America.

According to the article, it would only be used toward those who have dual citizenship with another country.

[xasop]

David Cameron seems to be competing with Tony Abbott for the title of worst Commonwealth head of government. Abbott is currently pushing to violate international laws by revoking citizenship from sole Australian nationals involved in terrorism, effectively leaving them stateless, something even his own ministers have spoken out against. I'm honestly not sure which is worse, his comments or Cameron's.

The whole Commonwealth is going down the toilet. Let's all move to America.

According to the article, it would only be used toward those who have dual citizenship with another country.

There are two separate proposals. The one against dual nationals has widespread acceptance; Abbott and Dutton are pushing to extend that to sole nationals, but are meeting resistance even within the government.

[Yaakov ben Avraham]

David Cameron seems to be competing with Tony Abbott for the title of worst Commonwealth head of government. Abbott is currently pushing to violate international laws by revoking citizenship from sole Australian nationals involved in terrorism, effectively leaving them stateless, something even his own ministers have spoken out against. I'm honestly not sure which is worse, his comments or Cameron's.

The whole Commonwealth is going down the toilet. Let's all move to America.

According to the article, it would only be used toward those who have dual citizenship with another country.

There are two separate proposals. The one against dual nationals has widespread acceptance; Abbott and Dutton are pushing to extend that to sole nationals, but are meeting resistance even within the government.

Oh. Got that. I misread. Sorry about that. It seems to me that the punishment for terrorism should be death or at least life imprisonment without possibility of parole. This whole question shouldn't even be an issue.

[xasop]

Oh. Got that. I misread. Sorry about that. It seems to me that the punishment for terrorism should be death or at least life imprisonment without possibility of parole. This whole question shouldn't even be an issue.

Partially agreed, with substantial reservations. I've posted a longer response here, as this is getting beyond the scope of this thread.

[Rama Set]

David Cameron seems to be competing with Tony Abbott for the title of worst Commonwealth head of government. Abbott is currently pushing to violate international laws by revoking citizenship from sole Australian nationals involved in terrorism, effectively leaving them stateless, something even his own ministers have spoken out against. I'm honestly not sure which is worse, his comments or Cameron's.

The whole Commonwealth is going down the toilet. Let's all move to America.

Uhhhh, Canada rules.

[Thork]

David Cameron seems to be competing with Tony Abbott for the title of worst Commonwealth head of government. Abbott is currently pushing to violate international laws by revoking citizenship from sole Australian nationals involved in terrorism, effectively leaving them stateless, something even his own ministers have spoken out against. I'm honestly not sure which is worse, his comments or Cameron's.

The whole Commonwealth is going down the toilet. Let's all move to America.

Uhhhh, Canada rules.

Canada allowed Mark Carney to blow a huge property bubble in their economy and then sent him to Britain to do the same to us. It is from Canada we have chosen to import our master criminals.

[Pete Svarrior]

David Cameron says ministers must back any EU deal

The government was warned that they must either unanimously support Cameron's view on the relationship between the EU and UK, or else he'll make the government unanimously support his view by kicking people out until they get the hint. Good going, Dave.

I wonder if he's gonna do the same with the referendum. "Vote Yes or else we'll take your citizenship away". :^)

[Ghost Spaghetti]

Theresa May, head of the Home Office, is planning on re-introducing the bill which would force internet and phone providers to hand over all activity details for an individual. It was defeated in the last parliament by Lib Dem rebels and was widely derided as 'the snooper's charter.'

http://www.independent.co.uk/news/uk/politics/generalelection/snoopers-charter-theresa-mays-plan-to-push-ahead-with-communications-data-bill-sparks-online-campaign-for-internet-freedom-10239945.html

Additionally, she has proposed a bill which would let Ofcom, the ombudsman that regulates TV complaints, vet any television program for 'extremist content' which doesn't sound too bad until you consider that groups which have been labelled 'extremist' have included legitimate political parties like the Greens.

http://www.theguardian.com/world/2015/may/21/mays-plan-to-censor-tv-programmes-condemned-by-tory-cabinet-colleague

New Labour weren't this bad at the height of their authoritarianism.

[EnigmaZV]

David Cameron seems to be competing with Tony Abbott for the title of worst Commonwealth head of government. Abbott is currently pushing to violate international laws by revoking citizenship from sole Australian nationals involved in terrorism, effectively leaving them stateless, something even his own ministers have spoken out against. I'm honestly not sure which is worse, his comments or Cameron's.

The whole Commonwealth is going down the toilet. Let's all move to America.

Uhhhh, Canada rules.

Canada allowed Mark Carney to blow a huge property bubble in their economy and then sent him to Britain to do the same to us. It is from Canada we have chosen to import our master criminals.

Mark Carney is probably one of the best central bankers in the world, you should feel privileged we leant him to you.
Also, if you think Canada is so wonderful, look at Bill C-51 that they're trying to push through before the election.
It makes terrorist so broadly defined that non-violent protesters become terrorists.

[model 29]

The whole Commonwealth is going down the toilet. Let's all move to America.

It's been said that we're about 10 years behind you.  We have asset (property, money, house, cars, firearms, you name it) seizures by the state thanks to "the war on drugs" and people never even being convicted.  Federal reserve cranking out money and devaluing your savings.  Eminent domain land grabs.  Politicians increasingly being elected who support socialism or communism and re-distribution of wealth.  Talk of converting individual 401k plans into another social security type program.

The list goes on.

Don't forget that Hillary Clinton will probably be elected president.