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Is it possible to put a webirc client somewhere on the site for those of us who can't download anything to our work computers?
I would agree we have historically been fairly oppressive to other countries which we ruled - as we've established many have had to go to war or rebel to get rid of us. But in general the government has let us get on with our lives without undue interference.There is no difference between those two things in the case of Ireland. The Irish were part of "us" because Ireland was a part of the UK. You cannot simultaneously agree to the Irish having been oppressed and say that the citizens of the UK were never oppressed.
I don't think how we behaved as a nation a century ago is that relevant to how we behave today.I'm not arguing that it is. This is a response to your claim that:
Neither the US or UK has ever had a particularly oppressive government
I don’t think that’s necessarily true. Exactly what is considered a country is not well defined.It's perfectly well defined when you are talking about the borders of the UK, which included the entire island of Ireland between 1801 and 1922. We are not in the midst of a philosophical debate about what it means to be a country. If you want to deny that Ireland was part of the UK before 1922, then you must also argue that Northern Ireland is not currently part of the UK, since at no point in history did Northern Ireland join the UK separately from the rest of Ireland.
I don’t think that’s quite the same issue as the day to day freedoms British citizens enjoy though.We are literally talking about literal British citizens living in the literal UK who started a literal war to escape. I'm not sure how much clearer I can make it.
Right. Not entirely sure how that’s connected to what I’m saying. We have behaved poorly historically towards other countries, no dispute there.Ireland was not another country until after the Irish War of Independence. That's what "Independence" in "War of Independence" means.
Which war are you referring to?The Irish War of Independence.
Neither the US or UK has ever had a particularly oppressive governmentAre you aware that a large part of the UK fought a war of independence against their oppressors barely a century ago?
Makes sense. If both Tom and I ended up in a similar scenario (noticed vandalism, made edits, and those edits turned into more vandalism), it almost makes me wonder if someone made changes to our MediaWiki code. I'll poke around a little this evening.I didn't see any obviously suspicious changes when I diffed a vanilla MediaWiki with our current code, but that didn't cover all the extensions we've added, so there's a chance there's something somewhere in there.
Are you certain about that? I manually reverted the vandalism, but I saw no evidence of my account making any malicious edits.When I looked at the change your account made, the diff just changed the vandalism to different vandalism. It's now gone, of course, since I restored an old backup.
Also, it's worth keeping in mind that just reverting the database is likely not to be very effective on MediaWiki. It seems more likely to me that some of the vandalism persisted in its cache, and that making an edit restored it.The Southern Hemisphere page wasn't listed in Tom's original list of vandalised pages, so it's not at all clear whether there was any original vandalism to persist in the cache. To be on the safe side, I've restarted memcached (I already restarted php when I restored the database before), so now there is no cache from before the database restore.
Something funny seems to still be going on.Agreed. I suspect a vulnerability in MediaWiki allowing someone to impersonate users, since the page you linked was defiled by your and Pete's accounts. I don't have time to investigate properly right now, so I've disabled POST requests in the web server configuration and restored the same backup again. This means that nobody will be able to log in or edit pages until this is properly dealt with, which will probably involve upgrading to the latest version of MediaWiki.
The title did not make clear that I was looking for how FEers answered that question but the post did so. I thought it was a pretty ordinary question.Yet you posted it in Angry Ranting, a forum dedicated to not getting answers to questions, for which reason the rules are relaxed. Circumventing the rules by inappropriately posting in forums where there are fewer of them is not okay.
You might want to consider adding a reporting function in PMs.Fair point, but in the meantime, you can add users to your ignore list if you don't want to receive PMs from them. I understand that this doesn't solve the core problem.
Exactly. I'm glad we agreeThat was my point all along. I wanted to understand why you had made a claim about which you had no information that was irrelevant in the first place.
