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Philosophy, Religion & Society / Re: Trump
« on: July 25, 2020, 08:43:32 PM »
https://www.nytimes.com/2020/07/24/opinion/trump-test-people-woman-man-camera-tv.html

This really has been part of Trump's playbook from Day 1: Avert attention from the real atrocities he's committing by saying something deranged and throwing it out there for the media to enjoy. It's pretty effective, like throwing a ball of yarn at a kitten. He stole the strategy from Newt Gingrich as I understand it.

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Philosophy, Religion & Society / Re: Black Lives Matter
« on: July 19, 2020, 03:10:51 PM »
Dave's point is that divorce itself is traumatizing, and the paper does nothing to address healthy non-nuclear families.

It was a terrible attempt on totallackey's part at trying to cherry-pick a source that he thought would help support his position.

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Philosophy, Religion & Society / Re: Trump
« on: July 18, 2020, 02:11:40 AM »
https://www.politico.com/news/2020/07/17/trump-sours-on-online-learning-that-his-administration-evangelized-368536

See? Trump and Devos used to be all about the online schooling, but now all of a sudden schools must reopen in full!

What's changed, other than the opportunity to cause the deaths of thousands of Americans by forcing schools to reopen?

Trump is actively using COVID-19 to murder the American people!

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Why would anybody be afraid of something for which we have exactly 0 evidence for the existence of? Even according to RET civilizations are spaced so far apart that communication is essentially impossible (like, maybe one per galaxy, according to the most recent estimate I've seen). It seems a round Earth is rather positioned well to protect one from proof of alien existence too.

For the record I'm not afraid of dragons or babadooks either.

Interesting attempt at a deflection, at the end there. I certainly don't want to have the debate about what constitutes evidence with someone who says believe what you see for yourself... because how do I prove to you that I have seen what I have seen. So, even though I have seen aliens for myself (which again, according to flat Earthers, is the strongest evidence), I would actually refer you to any religious text... but specifically the Sumerian and Hindu histories (not just their recorded history, but their art, and their belief systems). If that is not enough for you, I also direct you to the fact that every known human culture has either believed in heavenly beings or people from the stars. But maybe that doesn't do it for you either, so try the impossible feats of architecture scattered throughout the ancient world, many of which we still wouldn't be able to reproduce today.
What I find most amusing however, are flat Earthers that dare say their believe is not based on either religion or a fear of extraterrestrials (in my opinion, the same thing)... because your suggestion, is that we exist on a magical plane of existence (where water doesn't simply vanish over the edge, because magical ice walls) or in a giant mother-ship (complete with dome). If this domed Earth is anything other than a space terrarium style habitat, built by some advanced species, then it must be magical.
How can you even imagine that your entire reality exist within such a pointless cage, what essentially amounts to an insignificant pocket universe at best and a zoo at worst.
So yes, why are you not talking about aliens... the only thing that would make a flat Earth even seem probable... if not fear.

Just to be clear, if the argument you were making was that we lived in a cosmic zoo... that argument would not be so easily dismissed. Then I could understand the reasoning behind a global conspiracy. It also does not defy physics, since any species capable of creating such a habitat, would most certainly be capable of generating artificial gravity. Really, unless you had seen it for yourself (like aliens), there would be no way of disputing that argument with any degree of certainty.
Also, in all fairness, I do not expect anyone who hasn't seen aliens, to be true believers, just as I don't expect them to believe in spirits, or magic, all of which I have witnessed first hand. I realize that I am in fact privileged, not to have to take any of these things on faith... because I have been directly exposed to them repeatedly. Which is why I don't necessarily have a problem with inner Earth aliens... being that I am already aware of stranger things, and am personally convinced that both extra-dimensional and extra-terrestrial beings exist (why not sub-terrestrial as well?). 

As far as dragons go... you should be, you should be (a little star wars humor). Personally I don't believe that dragons ever existed, at least not as they are depicted in European culture (probably dinos, stubbornly refusing to go extinct, without a little assistance). But certainly their have been many species of creature to disappear from this world without leaving a trace. More over, Chinese Dragons are another story (since they're extra-dimensional creatures, as are many other strange things... so who knows). The thing is I'm not afraid to acknowledge any possibility... as you can probably tell, i actually gave quite a lot of thought to the possibility of a flat Earth, and under what circumstances such a thing could come to be.

I'm not afraid to acknowledge possibility either. You seem to be assuming that I blindly believe in some God and that that has something to do with my belief in a flat Earth but that is not the case. I don't completely write off the possibility of the existence of God, but He actually falls under the same umbrella as aliens in my belief system (which is to say, if there's ever any actual evidence of His existence, I will change my opinion that there's no real reason to believe in Him).

So you can see, a great deal of what you just posted was a waste, because it assumed something about me that is not the case.

So, anyway. Your entire reason for posting this seemed to be your opinion that Flat Earth belief somehow shields us from having to face the possible existence of aliens. You seem to think it's "uniquely positioned" to allow that.

But again, if there's approximately one civilization per galaxy, as RET currently posits, it effectively puts a round Earth in a position to not have to face the possibility of the existence of aliens, too, so you see there's nothing unique about FE's position on this matter, as it's mirrored in RE too, albeit in a different way. Pointing out why you're wrong about something is not a deflection, it's an attempt to help you understand why you were wrong.

Take it up with scientists who are currently throwing out these estimates if you have a problem with it.

Also, you mention extradimensional beings as a possible explanation for aliens. There's nothing to preclude this possibility in FE; it is just as much science fiction in either model (as is contact with extraplanetary aliens, really, as far as the hard science of the matter goes). So there you go!

Finally, I would never try to shame you for not believing the Earth is flat, despite that being my belief. So don't try to shame me for not blindly accepting your claim that you've interacted with aliens. It's just silly. Being open to all possibilities doesn't equate to naively believing everything we are told.

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Tom, please respond to what I actually say, rather than telling me what I'm saying is inconsistent with a "movement" that you refer to...

It looks like you're trying to have a legitimate debate with a notorious troll.

Good luck with that.

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A world without police looks like "a suburb" according to liberal dem leadership.

Why is he "imagining" this?

Because he's trying to scare people. It's what he does. It's what most of them do at Fox News. Amplification and distortion for the purposes of sowing fear is basically all the conservatives have left anymore. At least it seems that way when you listen to their loudest voices.

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Philosophy, Religion & Society / Re: Trump
« on: July 13, 2020, 06:06:03 PM »
lol

GOP voter registrations outpace Dems in swing states: report

Quote
In Maine, for example, 59 percent of new voters registered as Dems pre-coronavirus — but only 40 percent have done so in the months since.

Dem declines were also seen in Colorado, Florida, North Carolina and Pennsylvania, TargetSmart found.

Additionally, in the swing state of Iowa, the new voters helped the GOP retake the statewide lead in voter registrations last month, Politico reported.

Yep, I saw this too.

Democrats and anyone else who doesn't want 4 more years of this, you better register to vote if you haven't already. and encourage as many people as possible to do the same! We can't count Trump out until he's OUT!

This doesn't really say much.
The pool.of voters is finite.  New voters even more so.  All this tells me is that most people voting as democrats (and not independants like me) have already signed up.

WE CAN'T COUNT TRUMP OUT OR HE WILL WIN AGAIN!!!

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Why would anybody be afraid of something for which we have exactly 0 evidence for the existence of? Even according to RET civilizations are spaced so far apart that communication is essentially impossible (like, maybe one per galaxy, according to the most recent estimate I've seen). It seems a round Earth is rather positioned well to protect one from proof of alien existence too.

For the record I'm not afraid of dragons or babadooks either.

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Philosophy, Religion & Society / Re: Trump
« on: July 13, 2020, 05:50:15 PM »
lol

GOP voter registrations outpace Dems in swing states: report

Quote
In Maine, for example, 59 percent of new voters registered as Dems pre-coronavirus — but only 40 percent have done so in the months since.

Dem declines were also seen in Colorado, Florida, North Carolina and Pennsylvania, TargetSmart found.

Additionally, in the swing state of Iowa, the new voters helped the GOP retake the statewide lead in voter registrations last month, Politico reported.

Yep, I saw this too.

Democrats and anyone else who doesn't want 4 more years of this, you better register to vote if you haven't already. and encourage as many people as possible to do the same! We can't count Trump out until he's OUT!

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Philosophy, Religion & Society / Re: Trump
« on: July 12, 2020, 05:03:11 PM »
https://mobile.twitter.com/realDonaldTrump/status/1282288813075771392?ref_src=twsrc%5Egoogle%7Ctwcamp%5Eserp%7Ctwgr%5Etweet

How do you categorize someone who publicly turned his entire lawn into a Trump campaign banner part of the "silent majority"? ???

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Philosophy, Religion & Society / Re: Trump
« on: July 12, 2020, 04:57:02 PM »
https://www.politico.com/news/2020/07/12/trump-border-wall-make-me-look-bad-357706

Quote from: Donald Trump, every day of his presidency
Me me me me me me...

His supporters built it so by saying that he's basically slapping then in the face.

He doesn't care.

42 million dollars and already showing signs of structural wear... it's almost like building a massive wall at our border was just an impractical solution for the immigrant issue.

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Philosophy, Religion & Society / Re: Trump
« on: July 12, 2020, 02:13:33 PM »
https://www.politico.com/news/2020/07/12/trump-border-wall-make-me-look-bad-357706

Quote from: Donald Trump, every day of his presidency
Me me me me me me...

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Philosophy, Religion & Society / Re: Trump
« on: July 12, 2020, 07:13:01 AM »
Of course Trump has a chance. Democrats will actually have to vote to get him out, and that can be a tall order. Right now it seems like things are working against Trump but it's still a long way till November and a lot can happen.

I think there's a strong chance COVID-19 will actually help Trump. If we really do have a lot of mail-in votes there will be all kinds of room for the Republicans to play their dirty tricks and suppress the ones they don't want. And given the fact that Democrats seem to generally treat the crisis seriously while Republicans generally seem not to can lead to a scary but I think plausible scenario where enough more Republicans turn up to vote in person than Democrats that it could be enough tip the scales in Trump's favor, even if his polling is as dismal then as it is now.

Democrats have to vote, and they need to work to minimize the effects of voter suppression. Otherwise Trump will have an easier road to reelection than you'd think.

Counting Trump out was what led to his appointment in the first place.

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Philosophy, Religion & Society / Re: Trump
« on: July 11, 2020, 08:17:46 PM »
If Biden wasn't already going to lose, this seals it.


Why is this even legal?!

Holy shit!  Buying guns online makes it super easy to bypass all laws.  No license?  No problem.
12 years old?  Whose gonna know?

Geeze, its easier to get a gun than vote.

Online gun sales have to go through a FFL dealer who still have to do the "Brady Bill" background check.

This is false, as I understand it. It's still possible in many states to buy a firearm through an auction or a private dealer online without having to go through a background check. Unless the law changed very recently online gun sales don't necessarily have to go through a FFL dealer.

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Philosophy, Religion & Society / Re: Trump
« on: July 11, 2020, 01:53:28 PM »
They gon' take our guns away!

Calm down Tom, you'll still be able to buy your AKs without any fuss at a gun show.

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Philosophy, Religion & Society / Re: Trump
« on: July 10, 2020, 11:49:52 PM »
Okay, thanks for answering.

If I understand your answer correctly, you just want somebody different in the White House, with no guarantee the methods would be any better.

Just change for change sake.

Directionless leadership.

Cool.

 ???

No, this was the rationale a lot of people had for voting Trump in. Remember? His complete lack of experience leading was somehow seen as a benefit.

Biden has 50 years of government experience. We know he can lead.

What a weird response from a Trump supporter.

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Philosophy, Religion & Society / Re: Trump
« on: July 10, 2020, 05:12:12 AM »
https://www.cnn.com/2020/07/08/entertainment/kanye-trump-coronavirus-forbes/index.html

Looks like somebody recognized that supporting Trump was costing him street cred and is trying to get it back.

Meanwhile I hope he does run for president. Why would anybody presume he'll take votes away from Biden when he aligned himself with Trump for so long? Please run, Kanye!

People forget. Just like they forgot how Trump earlier this year did everything he could to downplay and blow off the coronavirus outbreak, leading to his approval ratings bizarrely going up once he started going through the motions of taking it seriously.

When did this happen? I just checked to make sure I wasn't seriously missing something, but no, Trump's approval rating is still holding under 40%. His net approval is still underwater by double digits. Polls are still predicting a sweeping Democratic win. The media is still citing his handling of the coronavirus as part of the reason for his current dismal ratings.

If it's just the temporary "rally round the flag" effect you're referring to, well that really did die quickly didn't it? Indeed it's a perfectly normal part of politics that Trump couldn't even take advantage of for more than a couple weeks before exposing himself as a fraud. In my view it does not support the notion that people just forgot, it mainly highlights how desperate we were for a real leader in a time of crisis, and how quickly we subsequently realized we don't actually have one.
Are you actually of the belief that most Americans are desperate to be led?

Better yet, let us just expand the question to all people.

How are you defining "being led"? I feel like you're using a completely different context from the one I intended and I want to make sure I understand what you mean before I answer.
It's not a trick question Roundy, honest.

You used the word "desperate," as an adjective in describing these people ( actually including yourself in that group by stating "we"),  so I was asking for a vision of leadership that could alleviate this desperation.

Sometimes questions are asked in order for the other person to provide further context.

Although i will offer I don't happen to think Americans are or ever have been the type of people desperate for leadership.

To say we're "desperate to be led" would surely be inaccurate. Most of us recognize that without leadership there would be no society, and without society we would have no reasonable expectation of security, or of being treated fairly. But to say we're "desperate" for it would be silly, because we've always had it and see no reason to think that will change.

I didn't say that most Americans are desperate to be led. I said that in a time of crisis they are desperate for leadership. If I wasn't clear enough, I thought it would be understood that I was talking about adequate, competent leadership. Because obviously, for good or bad, Trump is our leader.

It's whether he's a competent leader that's the issue.

What kind of leadership can alleviate the situation? The kind that treats a crisis seriously from the start, rather than waiting until he thinks it's politically advantageous to do so. Someone who is honest about the severity of the problem before the severity is something that's hitting us all on the heads. Someone willing to take adequate actions to minimize the problem, rather than taking stands and doing things that will only make things worse.

Yes, I think Americans were desperate for that kind of leadership. The leadership we have spectacularly failed to provide it. And I think that the fact that the American people expected better from their leader is borne out by his slippage in public confidence, and subsequent slippage in the polls.

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Philosophy, Religion & Society / Re: Trump
« on: July 09, 2020, 08:02:05 PM »
https://www.cnn.com/2020/07/08/entertainment/kanye-trump-coronavirus-forbes/index.html

Looks like somebody recognized that supporting Trump was costing him street cred and is trying to get it back.

Meanwhile I hope he does run for president. Why would anybody presume he'll take votes away from Biden when he aligned himself with Trump for so long? Please run, Kanye!

People forget. Just like they forgot how Trump earlier this year did everything he could to downplay and blow off the coronavirus outbreak, leading to his approval ratings bizarrely going up once he started going through the motions of taking it seriously.

When did this happen? I just checked to make sure I wasn't seriously missing something, but no, Trump's approval rating is still holding under 40%. His net approval is still underwater by double digits. Polls are still predicting a sweeping Democratic win. The media is still citing his handling of the coronavirus as part of the reason for his current dismal ratings.

If it's just the temporary "rally round the flag" effect you're referring to, well that really did die quickly didn't it? Indeed it's a perfectly normal part of politics that Trump couldn't even take advantage of for more than a couple weeks before exposing himself as a fraud. In my view it does not support the notion that people just forgot, it mainly highlights how desperate we were for a real leader in a time of crisis, and how quickly we subsequently realized we don't actually have one.
Are you actually of the belief that most Americans are desperate to be led?

Better yet, let us just expand the question to all people.

How are you defining "being led"? I feel like you're using a completely different context from the one I intended and I want to make sure I understand what you mean before I answer.

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Philosophy, Religion & Society / Re: Trump
« on: July 09, 2020, 01:02:12 PM »
https://www.cnn.com/2020/07/08/entertainment/kanye-trump-coronavirus-forbes/index.html

Looks like somebody recognized that supporting Trump was costing him street cred and is trying to get it back.

Meanwhile I hope he does run for president. Why would anybody presume he'll take votes away from Biden when he aligned himself with Trump for so long? Please run, Kanye!

People forget. Just like they forgot how Trump earlier this year did everything he could to downplay and blow off the coronavirus outbreak, leading to his approval ratings bizarrely going up once he started going through the motions of taking it seriously.

When did this happen? I just checked to make sure I wasn't seriously missing something, but no, Trump's approval rating is still holding under 40%. His net approval is still underwater by double digits. Polls are still predicting a sweeping Democratic win. The media is still citing his handling of the coronavirus as part of the reason for his current dismal ratings.

If it's just the temporary "rally round the flag" effect you're referring to, well that really did die quickly didn't it? Indeed it's a perfectly normal part of politics that Trump couldn't even take advantage of for more than a couple weeks before exposing himself as a fraud. In my view it does not support the notion that people just forgot, it mainly highlights how desperate we were for a real leader in a time of crisis, and how quickly we subsequently realized we don't actually have one.


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