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« Reply #11400 on: June 04, 2024, 06:08:00 PM »
Paying off a whore is fine.  Its hiding it like a dumbass, thats the problem.

And to that I say: so?

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« Reply #11401 on: June 04, 2024, 08:06:07 PM »
Paying off a whore is fine.  Its hiding it like a dumbass, thats the problem.

And to that I say: so?
Because he broke the law doing it.  Which was the dumbass part.  Like, he should have had more than enough money to just pay it off himself with his own personal funds.  But he didn't because then it would be public but totally legal.  Again, total dumbass move.  By contrast, Hillary Clinton did illegal things, used connections to get debate questions ahead of time, and maybe killed somone but was sly enough to either not get caught or be legal about it.  So why would I want someone like Trump to run America?  Someone who couldn't even get a porn star paid off without doing it illegally AND getting caught?  Hell, he couldn't even assassinate somoene discreetly. 

So yeah, if a president is gonna do something shady and illegal, I'd want to make sure they're smart enough to cover their tracks.  Because a smart president is better for America than one who fumbles around and yells about it when he fails.
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« Reply #11402 on: June 04, 2024, 11:00:30 PM »
Because he broke the law doing it.  Which was the dumbass part.  Like, he should have had more than enough money to just pay it off himself with his own personal funds.  But he didn't because then it would be public but totally legal.  Again, total dumbass move.  By contrast, Hillary Clinton did illegal things, used connections to get debate questions ahead of time, and maybe killed somone but was sly enough to either not get caught or be legal about it.  So why would I want someone like Trump to run America?  Someone who couldn't even get a porn star paid off without doing it illegally AND getting caught?  Hell, he couldn't even assassinate somoene discreetly. 

So yeah, if a president is gonna do something shady and illegal, I'd want to make sure they're smart enough to cover their tracks.  Because a smart president is better for America than one who fumbles around and yells about it when he fails.

Wouldn't you prefer a president that can't do anything illegal without getting caught over a president that will get away with numerous illegal things? Bragging about how "smart" a highly corrupt candidate is by doing illegal shit all the time isn't the gotcha you think it is. Did you vote for Hillary while thinking she literally kills people she doesn't like?
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« Reply #11403 on: June 05, 2024, 02:09:05 AM »
There's no evidence that either of the Clintons have had anyone killed. That's just a lie that right-wing media have repeated so much that even some relatively normal people have apparently begun taking it for granted now. I've seen the ominous "lists" of victims, I've seen the "evidence," and none of it amounts to anything more than happenstance. To respond to some of Tom's points, nobody, including Trump, is disputing that Cohen paid Daniels the money, so unless the argument is that Trump had thought at the time that Cohen was simply stealing from him rather than paying Daniels, I don't see how repeatedly bringing up the Red Finch incident and calling Cohen a thief is meant to exonerate Trump. Despite the crank website that Tom linked doing its best to dress up the allegations of Cohen and Daniel being both partners in crime and lovers as a "report" to be taken seriously, it is in fact just a story from a random guy on Twitter. A quick look at his account suggests to me that his claims of being a successful, well-connected businessman and data scientist are almost certainly not true, and neither is his story of Michael Avenatti casually confiding in him his elaborate criminal conspiracy with Cohen and Daniels.

Oh, and after writing the above, I did a bit more research, and it turns out that OAN already tried writing an article based on this guy Seruga's account. Here's their story, and here's their retraction when Cohen sued and OAN realized they had no evidence that their story was true beyond a "trust me, bro" from a random guy on Twitter. Funny how that works.
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« Reply #11404 on: June 05, 2024, 02:41:10 AM »
Wow, hypocritical. Stormy Daniels retracting her claim that she slept with Trump doesn't stop you from disbelieving her.

Reading the retraction article:

"Mr. Cohen states that OAN’s article is false. He writes that 'I did not have an affair with Stormy Daniels and furthermore I did not ‘cook up’ the allegations to extort the Trump Organization before the 2016 election.' Mr. Cohen continued: 'The notion that right before the election I would extort the man I fervently supported and believed was about to become president, all to make $130,000 that I did not even keep for myself, is beyond absurd. It’s just plain stupid.'"

This is laughable, considering that he admits to stealing tens of thousands of dollars from Trump through fraud.

In the claim it said that the person overheard that Michael Avenatti was divulging details of his client Daniels extorting Trump with Cohen. Avenatti denying it means nothing.

In this claim we, at least, have a third party source named Tony Segura with a claim of information who received no financial benefit. Your only source of information that your claimed event did occur is the person deriving financial benefit herself.

Tony Segura does claim to have a law degree from Western State College of Law, and lives in corporate lawyer Michael Avenatti's Newport Beach, CA, area, which strengthens his claim of acquaintance - https://rocketreach.co/tony-seruga-seruga-email_322182
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« Reply #11405 on: June 05, 2024, 06:39:20 AM »
Wow, hypocritical. Stormy Daniels retracting her claim that she slept with Trump doesn't stop you from disbelieving her.
That would work better if it didn’t come from someone who continues to believe Trump despite his numerous demonstrable lies.
Above I posted a video showing all the utter nonsense Trump spouted about the things that would happen if Biden became president. None of them did. And yet you still hang on his every word…
Tom: "Claiming incredulity is a pretty bad argument. Calling it "insane" or "ridiculous" is not a good argument at all."

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« Reply #11406 on: June 05, 2024, 12:19:05 PM »
As far as I can tell Tony Segura holds the special distinction of being entrusted with company finances, which demands a higher moral responsibility. Trump is a famous former president and current lightning rod and martyr of the right who is trusted and beloved by millions. Neither he or Trump has admitted to fraud.

Your sources are a lawyer who has abused the trust placed in him and admitted to fraud, another lawyer who is in prison, and also this person:

https://nypost.com/2018/01/19/stormy-daniels-launches-make-america-horny-again-tour/

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« Reply #11407 on: June 05, 2024, 12:44:43 PM »

She said there was no sleeping involved affair. Yes, I believe her.
FTFY. NNTTM.
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« Reply #11408 on: June 05, 2024, 01:22:54 PM »
Trump is a famous former president
When someone is famous for being bad, the correct word is "infamous"

The 3rd worst in history and the only living person in the bottom 10:

https://www.usnews.com/news/special-reports/the-worst-presidents/slideshows/the-10-worst-presidents?onepage
Tom: "Claiming incredulity is a pretty bad argument. Calling it "insane" or "ridiculous" is not a good argument at all."

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« Reply #11409 on: June 05, 2024, 01:31:16 PM »
Trump is a famous former president
When someone is famous for being bad, the correct word is "infamous"

The 3rd worst in history and the only living person in the bottom 10:

https://www.usnews.com/news/special-reports/the-worst-presidents/slideshows/the-10-worst-presidents?onepage


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« Reply #11410 on: June 05, 2024, 01:42:21 PM »
The 3rd worst in history and the only living person in the bottom 10:

https://www.usnews.com/news/special-reports/the-worst-presidents/slideshows/the-10-worst-presidents?onepage

I ranked you as the 3rd worst person to ever exist, haha, lmao, owned. Kind of a funny list of "worst presidents", don't you think? They even put an "honorable mention" of George Bush at the bottom, but suspiciously, I don't see Andrew Jackson on this list. You know, the president that owned plantations and slaves, shot people who disagreed with him (literally, for disagreeing with him) and enacted genocide on several Native American tribes. Yet, he's not on this magical list of worst presidents. It makes me suspect whoever compiled this list of "worst presidents" doesn't have a very firm grasp on what that even means.

It's almost like someone quickly compiled a list of "worst presidents" just to toss in presidents they don't like (and chose some other random presidents that weren't even that bad to make it look "fair"). Even more hilarious that the title of the article is "not all U.S. presidents are missed once they leave the White House" when Trump is neck-and-neck in polling and getting very close to winning a second election. Quite literally over a hundred million people in this country miss him.

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« Reply #11411 on: June 05, 2024, 01:46:20 PM »
Trump is a famous former president
When someone is famous for being bad, the correct word is "infamous"

The 3rd worst in history and the only living person in the bottom 10:

https://www.usnews.com/news/special-reports/the-worst-presidents/slideshows/the-10-worst-presidents?onepage


lol

Literally a few posts after you provided a source from one of the dudes behind The Gateway Pundit  :D
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« Reply #11412 on: June 05, 2024, 01:52:19 PM »
but suspiciously, I don't see Andrew Jackson on this list. You know, the president that owned plantations and slaves, shot people who disagreed with him (literally, for disagreeing with him) and enacted genocide on several Native American tribes. Yet, he's not on this magical list of worst presidents.
Do you like this list better? It puts Jackson as the worst

https://www.cbsnews.com/pictures/presidents-ranked-worst-best/4/

And still has Trump as 3rd worst.

Obviously this is subjective.
Equally obviously I'm mostly just trolling Tom.
But Trump isn't exactly going to go down in history as a great president, is he? He blundered and lied his way through his Presidency and then pouted and sulked when he lost the next election and refused to admit he lost. If anyone vaguely competent was running against him there's no way he'd be re-elected.
Tom: "Claiming incredulity is a pretty bad argument. Calling it "insane" or "ridiculous" is not a good argument at all."

TFES Wiki Occam's Razor page, by Tom: "What's the simplest explanation; that NASA has successfully designed and invented never before seen rocket technologies from scratch which can accelerate 100 tons of matter to an escape velocity of 7 miles per second"

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« Reply #11413 on: June 05, 2024, 02:26:09 PM »
Do you like this list better? It puts Jackson as the worst

No it doesn't, lol.

https://www.cbsnews.com/pictures/presidents-ranked-worst-best/4/

And still has Trump as 3rd worst.

Obviously this is subjective.
Equally obviously I'm mostly just trolling Tom.
But Trump isn't exactly going to go down in history as a great president, is he? He blundered and lied his way through his Presidency and then pouted and sulked when he lost the next election and refused to admit he lost. If anyone vaguely competent was running against him there's no way he'd be re-elected.

This list is almost exactly the same as US News...

Trump expanded the US economy, was the first to take war with China and Russia seriously, and, most importantly, was the first president in decades to finally pull out of the Middle East. Better yet, he started zero coups and wars in the Middle East. What, precisely, is so terrible about him? It feels like anyone who doesn't like Trump really just boils down to "I don't like the way he says things, he is a big meaniehead :("
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« Reply #11414 on: June 05, 2024, 03:17:50 PM »
No it doesn't, lol.
Ah, OK. My bad (as you lot say). I misread it. You see how Andrew Jackson / Andrew Johnson could confuse a stupid person ???

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I suspect most lists will be fairly similar. It is subjective, but I guess there will be rough consensus amongst historians.

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Trump expanded the US economy, was the first to take war with China and Russia seriously, and, most importantly, was the first president in decades to finally pull out of the Middle East. Better yet, he started zero coups and wars in the Middle East.
All fair. I would note that the economy was already expanding when he arrived, he didn't do anything to stop it but I'm not sure how much credit he should get for it. The economy hasn't done badly under Biden, has it?

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There is some of that. But I have a general concern about anyone in power who has such a flagrant disregard for the truth. I felt the same about Johnson over here. Shouldn't we want our leaders to be honest and have integrity? And the dangerous thing about Trump is the way he undermines the media, the very people who should be holding him to account. Anything which calls him out on his lies is "fake news", they present "alternative facts".

So sure, the US didn't collapse in to a heap under Trump - I'd note it hasn't under Biden either. But Trump's actions during his presidency and in the aftermath of him losing in 2020 potentially undermine the very office of president and faith in US democracy, given how his followers lap up his every word about how it was all rigged against him.
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« Reply #11415 on: June 05, 2024, 03:22:26 PM »
Do you like this list better? It puts Jackson as the worst

No it doesn't, lol.

https://www.cbsnews.com/pictures/presidents-ranked-worst-best/4/

And still has Trump as 3rd worst.

Obviously this is subjective.
Equally obviously I'm mostly just trolling Tom.
But Trump isn't exactly going to go down in history as a great president, is he? He blundered and lied his way through his Presidency and then pouted and sulked when he lost the next election and refused to admit he lost. If anyone vaguely competent was running against him there's no way he'd be re-elected.

This list is almost exactly the same as US News...

Trump expanded the US economy, was the first to take war with China and Russia seriously, and, most importantly, was the first president in decades to finally pull out of the Middle East. Better yet, he started zero coups and wars in the Middle East. What, precisely, is so terrible about him? It feels like anyone who doesn't like Trump really just boils down to "I don't like the way he says things, he is a big meaniehead :("

He fought a pointless trade war with China and lost.
He rebegotiated NAFTA just to change the name.
He met with Putin and threw his own intelligence agency under the bus because Putin said so.

Oh and he assassinated a very well liked Iranian General.  Good thing Iran chose not to retaliate. 

He posted a secret military spy sattelite image that probably helped our enemies more than it helped his popularity.

And, as many conservatives point out: Biden pulled us out of the Middle East and gave it back to the Taliban.  Planned by Trump, of course but... You know, details.

And I'm not sure how you say he expanded the economy.  In what way?  The trade war and paying billions to farmers to offset their loss?
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« Reply #11416 on: June 05, 2024, 04:13:02 PM »
All fair. I would note that the economy was already expanding when he arrived, he didn't do anything to stop it but I'm not sure how much credit he should get for it.

It's not a coincidence that the Fed could only begin raising rates the moment Trump won the election.

The economy hasn't done badly under Biden, has it?

Are you trying to tell me that the one thing causing Biden to get curbstomped in the polls is also the one thing you think he did well? Out of everything you could positively say about Biden "his economy hasn't done badly" might be just the most insane take I've ever read.

So sure, the US didn't collapse in to a heap under Trump - I'd note it hasn't under Biden either. But Trump's actions during his presidency and in the aftermath of him losing in 2020 potentially undermine the very office of president and faith in US democracy, given how his followers lap up his every word about how it was all rigged against him.

Why are you so sure it wasn't rigged against him?

He fought a pointless trade war with China and lost.

Huh? None of the "trade war" policies against China were changed by Biden. That's one of the things I think he's done right regarding the economy. How exactly did Trump "lose" the trade war?

He rebegotiated NAFTA just to change the name.
He met with Putin and threw his own intelligence agency under the bus because Putin said so.

...and other things that happened entirely in Dave's head!

Oh and he assassinated a very well liked Iranian General.  Good thing Iran chose not to retaliate. 

Oh no! The last thing I would like to do is hurt a backwards theocracy backing terrorists! :(

He posted a secret military spy sattelite image that probably helped our enemies more than it helped his popularity.

Oh no, now they can roughly guess the resolution of a single satellite. The horror.

And, as many conservatives point out: Biden pulled us out of the Middle East and gave it back to the Taliban.  Planned by Trump, of course but... You know, details.

Yes, and that was a good thing.

And I'm not sure how you say he expanded the economy.  In what way?  The trade war and paying billions to farmers to offset their loss?

I'm sorry, would you prefer farmers collectively go bankrupt and most of the world starve to death? US farmers feed a lot more than the US, you know. Ironically, we were responsible for most of China's agricultural imports until we made it clear that we prefer to interact with mindless dictatorships a little less.
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« Reply #11417 on: June 05, 2024, 06:33:02 PM »
He fought a pointless trade war with China and lost.

Huh? None of the "trade war" policies against China were changed by Biden. That's one of the things I think he's done right regarding the economy. How exactly did Trump "lose" the trade war?

Except a few bits like steel and aluminum, as well as washing machines.
China also kept their retalitory tarrifs and never purchased the extra $200 billion they promised to by 2021.  So the tarrifs are making things more expensive for Americans, China wasn't talk into removing theirs, and China didn't uphold their end of the deal.  Plus, farmers lost money during the two year war and some automakers moved production out of the US.  All in all, a loss for America.
https://www.piie.com/blogs/realtime-economics/china-bought-none-extra-200-billion-us-exports-trumps-trade-deal

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He rebegotiated NAFTA just to change the name.
He met with Putin and threw his own intelligence agency under the bus because Putin said so.

...and other things that happened entirely in Dave's head!
You're right, he canceled NAFTA to change the name.
https://www.politico.com/story/2018/12/02/trump-trade-canada-mexico-1006164

He could have just renegotiated it, but no.  And for so little.
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...others are simply relieved that it would keep much of the original agreement in place.

As for Putin....

There ya go.

Oh and he assassinated a very well liked Iranian General.  Good thing Iran chose not to retaliate. 
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That the US backed and put into power.  But more importantly, they have nuclear technology, and any new war in the middle east would cause oil prices to increase, which is the only reason we don't treat that area like Africa.

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He posted a secret military spy sattelite image that probably helped our enemies more than it helped his popularity.

Oh no, now they can roughly guess the resolution of a single satellite. The horror.
It is a big deal, yes.  Also helps narrow down which sattelite it is for tracking purposes.

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And, as many conservatives point out: Biden pulled us out of the Middle East and gave it back to the Taliban.  Planned by Trump, of course but... You know, details.

Yes, and that was a good thing.
The Taliban taking back power was a good thing?   

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And I'm not sure how you say he expanded the economy.  In what way?  The trade war and paying billions to farmers to offset their loss?

I'm sorry, would you prefer farmers collectively go bankrupt and most of the world starve to death? US farmers feed a lot more than the US, you know. Ironically, we were responsible for most of China's agricultural imports until we made it clear that we prefer to interact with mindless dictatorships a little less.
Farmers struggled BECAUSE of the Trade War. 
And the whole war was fought, partly,  to get China to buy more of our agricultural exports.  So Trump wanted to have more trade with China, not less.

Also, you do remember how Trump interacted with more mindless dictatorships than most presidents?  How he said nice things about President Xi, Putin, and Kim Jong Un?  Or did you forget that?
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« Reply #11418 on: June 05, 2024, 07:21:51 PM »
Except a few bits like steel and aluminum, as well as washing machines.
China also kept their retalitory tarrifs and never purchased the extra $200 billion they promised to by 2021.  So the tarrifs are making things more expensive for Americans, China wasn't talk into removing theirs, and China didn't uphold their end of the deal.  Plus, farmers lost money during the two year war and some automakers moved production out of the US.  All in all, a loss for America.
https://www.piie.com/blogs/realtime-economics/china-bought-none-extra-200-billion-us-exports-trumps-trade-deal

Are you telling me that you prefer to trade with a fascist nation?

That the US backed and put into power.  But more importantly, they have nuclear technology, and any new war in the middle east would cause oil prices to increase, which is the only reason we don't treat that area like Africa.

What does "nuclear technology" mean? Iran doesn't have nuclear weapons, and never will, if that's what you're implying. Further, the entire point of harassing Iran is to keep them too weak to go to war.

It is a big deal, yes.

Nice opinion.

The Taliban taking back power was a good thing?

Unironically, yes. There's only so many stories of the Afghani government raping children that I'd like to hear before acknowledging that the Taliban wasn't so bad after all. The interim government collapsed overnight because no one in the country supported it, I can't imagine why! 

Farmers struggled BECAUSE of the Trade War. 
And the whole war was fought, partly,  to get China to buy more of our agricultural exports.  So Trump wanted to have more trade with China, not less.

Also, you do remember how Trump interacted with more mindless dictatorships than most presidents?  How he said nice things about President Xi, Putin, and Kim Jong Un?  Or did you forget that?

Ah yes, he said "nice things" about dictatorships, will consistently insisting that we should do less business with them. I can't believe he would do one thing and say another, I didn't think it was even possible to do that!

Trump loved Putin that Putin was terrified to invade Ukraine while Trump was still in office. Really makes you think.

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« Reply #11419 on: June 05, 2024, 07:35:18 PM »
Except a few bits like steel and aluminum, as well as washing machines.
China also kept their retalitory tarrifs and never purchased the extra $200 billion they promised to by 2021.  So the tarrifs are making things more expensive for Americans, China wasn't talk into removing theirs, and China didn't uphold their end of the deal.  Plus, farmers lost money during the two year war and some automakers moved production out of the US.  All in all, a loss for America.
https://www.piie.com/blogs/realtime-economics/china-bought-none-extra-200-billion-us-exports-trumps-trade-deal

Are you telling me that you prefer to trade with a fascist nation?
I would not.  But Trump clearly did.

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That the US backed and put into power.  But more importantly, they have nuclear technology, and any new war in the middle east would cause oil prices to increase, which is the only reason we don't treat that area like Africa.

What does "nuclear technology" mean? Iran doesn't have nuclear weapons, and never will, if that's what you're implying. Further, the entire point of harassing Iran is to keep them too weak to go to war.

Don't need nuclear weapons like ICBMs, but a dirty bomb is effective in its own way.  And they know how to refine uranium.  I'm not sure they're too weak for war.  They just know they can't win against the US. 

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The Taliban taking back power was a good thing?

Unironically, yes. There's only so many stories of the Afghani government raping children that I'd like to hear before acknowledging that the Taliban wasn't so bad after all. The interim government collapsed overnight because no one in the country supported it, I can't imagine why! 
As opposed to the Taliban selling off girls for marriage THEN raping them legally. >_>
And the Taliban was ready, largely because Trump made a deal with them. 
And, of course, all the women who were no longer allowed to have a job or go to school.  Pretty sure they didn't support the taliban.  Not to mention the large amount of people who fled the country or tried to.  I'm sure they supported the government.  But keep looking at it with Trump tinted glasses.

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Farmers struggled BECAUSE of the Trade War. 
And the whole war was fought, partly,  to get China to buy more of our agricultural exports.  So Trump wanted to have more trade with China, not less.

Also, you do remember how Trump interacted with more mindless dictatorships than most presidents?  How he said nice things about President Xi, Putin, and Kim Jong Un?  Or did you forget that?

Ah yes, he said "nice things" about dictatorships, will consistently insisting that we should do less business with them. I can't believe he would do one thing and say another, I didn't think it was even possible to do that!

Trump loved Putin that Putin was terrified to invade Ukraine while Trump was still in office. Really makes you think.

So,if Trump wanted to do LESS buisness, why did he insist on doing more?
The Chinese Trade War ended with Trump DEMANDING and gettting (but they didn't follow through) China to have MORE business with America.
Saudi Arabia got weapons: https://www.forumarmstrade.org/resource-page---trump--saudi-arms-sales1.html
North Korea didn't get much except for some new sactions Trump put on Chineese shipping companies that go to NK being removed.  But we didn't do business with them anyway so can't do any less.
And nothing really changed under Trump with regards to Russia trade.  So... didn't do less there!

Can you name a dictator that Trump's actions and policy ended with the dictator doing LESS business with the US?


And that's cute how you think Putin was afraid of Trump.  Isn't the source for that particular rumor Trump himself?
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