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« Reply #11380 on: June 01, 2024, 02:24:52 AM »
Beyond the testimony of the witnesses, there were bank records of the relevant payments, emails discussing the payments, and even a recording of Trump talking about the payments. You're making a crude argument from your own ignorance if you're going to insist that there was no evidence simply because you didn't hear about what the evidence was - something that you could have easily rectified by paying attention to the trial.
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« Reply #11381 on: June 02, 2024, 06:45:20 AM »
Everything you list is accurate; however, it is not evidence of a crime.

Nothing criminal here, except for Cohen and Daniels.
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« Reply #11382 on: June 02, 2024, 09:53:31 AM »
Action80: Testemony and records of forgery does not mean a crime of forgery.
The conviction will get overturned on appeal.

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« Reply #11383 on: June 03, 2024, 08:46:28 AM »
I thought this was interesting



I know David Pakman is not exactly unbiased, but Trump did say all those things that would happen if Biden became president.
I'd forgotten till recently just how much utter bollocks Trump spouts.
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« Reply #11384 on: June 03, 2024, 12:19:50 PM »
Action80: Testemony and records of forgery does not mean a crime of forgery.
LordDave: Stormy Daniels and Michael Cohen are telling the absolute truth!

Record of forgery?

What the hell are you smoking?
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« Reply #11385 on: June 03, 2024, 04:46:09 PM »
Trump falsified his business records by disguising his payments to Cohen as being for legal services rather than reimbursements for the payment to Daniels. Election-related expenses need to be properly declared, which Trump didn't want to do because it would have defeated the purpose of paying Daniels for her silence to begin with. Again, elections have rules, no matter how much Trump and his fans don't like or understand that.
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« Reply #11386 on: June 03, 2024, 07:13:02 PM »
Trump falsified his business records by disguising his payments to Cohen as being for legal services rather than reimbursements for the payment to Daniels. Election-related expenses need to be properly declared, which Trump didn't want to do because it would have defeated the purpose of paying Daniels for her silence to begin with. Again, elections have rules, no matter how much Trump and his fans don't like or understand that.
The only way to arrive at your conclusion is to accept the word of Michael Cohen.
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« Reply #11387 on: June 03, 2024, 08:59:16 PM »
That, along with the bank records of the relevant payments, emails discussing the payments, and even a recording of Trump talking about the payments. Not to mention the fact that Trump's "I was just paying my lawyer" defense was extremely implausible on the face of it - why would Trump suddenly give his lawyer a $130,000 bonus?
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« Reply #11388 on: June 03, 2024, 10:19:42 PM »
Trump said that he didn't have knowledge of the payment. It's not clear that Trump was fully aware of what was happening with his finances. The lawyer Michel Cohen is a fraudster who was invoicing large amounts of money and was not honest or transparent with where the money was going. Cohen admitted in court that he was asking the Trump Organization for money to pay for things, and then pocketed the money himself.

https://justthenews.com/government/courts-law/cohen-testifies-he-stole-trump-organization

In 2017, the Trump Organization owed technology company Red Finch $50,000 for services rendered. Cohen, who helped facilitate the transaction, asked for a $100,000 reimbursement, "grossed up" to account for taxes, from the Trump Organization.

However, on the stand Monday, Cohen admitted that he stole from Trump, only paying $20,000 to Red Finch and pocketing the remaining $60,000 for himself.

"So the $50,000 that you got back from Red Finch ... you only paid the Red Finch owner $20,000, right?" Blanche asked Cohen.

"Yes sir," Cohen replied.

The lawyer clarified that Cohen pocketed the $60,000 difference and confirmed this was stealing.

"You did steal from the Trump Organization based upon the expected reimbursement from Red Finch?" Blanche asked.

"Yes sir," Cohen replied, according to CNN.

Cohen said multiple prosecutors from the district attorney's office are aware that he stole form the Trump Organization and acknowledged that he has not plead guilty to alleged crime.
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« Reply #11389 on: June 03, 2024, 10:30:41 PM »
So now we've circled to the "Trump is innocent because he's incapable of managing his own finances." Argument.
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« Reply #11390 on: June 04, 2024, 02:28:37 AM »
That, along with the bank records of the relevant payments, emails discussing the payments, and even a recording of Trump talking about the payments. Not to mention the fact that Trump's "I was just paying my lawyer" defense was extremely implausible on the face of it - why would Trump suddenly give his lawyer a $130,000 bonus?

According to fraudster Michael Cohen that is about how much he usually got as a bonus. According to his own words, it was not out of line for him to get such a bonus:

https://www.cnn.com/politics/live-news/trump-hush-money-trial-05-20-24/h_b774e3c7dd88fbaa5a8ad4dc5ec856d3

"You were shorted on 100,000 on your bonus that year, " Blanche asked.

"That's correct," Cohen said, confirming he normally got $150,000 as an annual bonus around the holidays.

So now we've circled to the "Trump is innocent because he's incapable of managing his own finances." Argument.

Michael Cohen was hired to manage Trump's legal finances. I don't see why Trump should have to be responsible for Michael Cohen's crimes. especially since Cohen has admitted that Trump was not fully aware of what was happening to the money. He lied about where money went and stole from Trump.
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« Reply #11391 on: June 04, 2024, 06:20:40 AM »
That, along with the bank records of the relevant payments, emails discussing the payments, and even a recording of Trump talking about the payments. Not to mention the fact that Trump's "I was just paying my lawyer" defense was extremely implausible on the face of it - why would Trump suddenly give his lawyer a $130,000 bonus?

According to fraudster Michael Cohen that is about how much he usually got as a bonus. According to his own words, it was not out of line for him to get such a bonus:

https://www.cnn.com/politics/live-news/trump-hush-money-trial-05-20-24/h_b774e3c7dd88fbaa5a8ad4dc5ec856d3

"You were shorted on 100,000 on your bonus that year, " Blanche asked.

"That's correct," Cohen said, confirming he normally got $150,000 as an annual bonus around the holidays.

So now we've circled to the "Trump is innocent because he's incapable of managing his own finances." Argument.

Michael Cohen was hired to manage Trump's legal finances. I don't see why Trump should have to be responsible for Michael Cohen's crimes. especially since Cohen has admitted that Trump was not fully aware of what was happening to the money. He lied about where money went and stole from Trump.

Probably should have brought that up in court.  Unless they did and it was underscored by evidence to the contrary.
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« Reply #11392 on: June 04, 2024, 10:27:31 AM »
Trump said that he didn't have knowledge of the payment.
lol

Trump says lots of things. He said he didn't sleep with Stormy Daniels too. He's a proven liar and now a convicted felon, why would you believe anything he says?
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« Reply #11393 on: June 04, 2024, 12:26:34 PM »
That, along with the bank records of the relevant payments, emails discussing the payments, and even a recording of Trump talking about the payments. Not to mention the fact that Trump's "I was just paying my lawyer" defense was extremely implausible on the face of it - why would Trump suddenly give his lawyer a $130,000 bonus?
The bank records and Trump talking about payments is all and well.

There is nothing physical, only the word of a proven perjurer and admitted thief, indicating these payments were anything else than what the bank records actually state they are: payments to a lawyer.
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« Reply #11394 on: June 04, 2024, 12:28:28 PM »
Trump said that he didn't have knowledge of the payment.
lol

Trump says lots of things. He said he didn't sleep with Stormy Daniels too. He's a proven liar and now a convicted felon, why would you believe anything he says?
Stormy Daniels said Trump didn't sleep with her.

Do you believe her?
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« Reply #11395 on: June 04, 2024, 01:21:24 PM »
Trump said that he didn't have knowledge of the payment.
lol

Trump says lots of things. He said he didn't sleep with Stormy Daniels too. He's a proven liar and now a convicted felon, why would you believe anything he says?
Stormy Daniels said Trump didn't sleep with her.

Do you believe her?
She said there was no sleeping involved. Yes, I believe her.
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« Reply #11396 on: June 04, 2024, 02:16:10 PM »
Michael Cohen claims that he took out home equity credit on his home to pay Stormy Daniels.



What in the world?

It gives more credence to the allegations that it was really Michael Cohen who was having the affair with Stormy Daniels. A report came out with allegations that Stormy Daniel's former lawyer Michel Avenatti was claiming that she and Michael Cohen were having an affair and schemed to extort Trump.

https://joehoft.com/breaking-michael-cohen-reportedly-had-long-affair-with-stormy-daniels-and-together-they-schemed-against-president-trump/

"Today a report comes out that imprisoned attorney Michael Avenatti, who was as dishonest as Cohen, claimed that Cohen had an affair with Stormy Daniels and that he and Daniels made up the scheme to get money from citizen Trump."
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« Reply #11397 on: June 04, 2024, 05:10:54 PM »
Michael Cohen claims that he took out home equity credit on his home to pay Stormy Daniels.



What in the world?

It gives more credence to the allegations that it was really Michael Cohen who was having the affair with Stormy Daniels. A report came out with allegations that Stormy Daniel's former lawyer Michel Avenatti was claiming that she and Michael Cohen were having an affair and schemed to extort Trump.

https://joehoft.com/breaking-michael-cohen-reportedly-had-long-affair-with-stormy-daniels-and-together-they-schemed-against-president-trump/

"Today a report comes out that imprisoned attorney Michael Avenatti, who was as dishonest as Cohen, claimed that Cohen had an affair with Stormy Daniels and that he and Daniels made up the scheme to get money from citizen Trump."

Uhhh yeah.  This was explained in court.  You didn't watch the Legal Eagle video, did you?
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« Reply #11398 on: June 04, 2024, 05:13:21 PM »
Surely, of all the things Trump has done and what he has supposedly done, and knowing that, I cannot bring myself to care about him paying off whores. If anything, I think the media consistently concentrating on this whore payoff scandal is hurting Biden more than helping him. None of the polls since the trial verdict seem to have budged. Biden is looking at making an executive order for the southern border, which reeks of desperation. If y'all don't want another 4 years of Trump, you're going to have to start talking about something more serious than "he paid off a whore and it didn't work because she tried to ruin him anyway!"

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« Reply #11399 on: June 04, 2024, 05:35:35 PM »
Paying off a whore is fine.  Its hiding it like a dumbass, thats the problem.
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