The Flat Earth Society
Other Discussion Boards => Philosophy, Religion & Society => Topic started by: Rushy on June 06, 2023, 12:38:08 PM
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https://thedebrief.org/intelligence-officials-say-u-s-has-retrieved-non-human-craft/
https://www.huffpost.com/entry/david-grusch-ufo-report_n_647eb0c1e4b0047ed782f875
https://nymag.com/intelligencer/2023/06/ex-intel-official-government-hiding-alien-tech.html
https://www.foxnews.com/politics/military-whistleblower-public-claims-us-secret-ufo-retrieval-program-terrestrial-arms-race
https://www.theguardian.com/world/2023/jun/06/whistleblower-ufo-alien-tech-spacecraft
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rQjbFZT9_EM
I will update this OP with more Aliens! relevant information as I find it. Maybe we'll get some pictures of hot space babes soon.
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Huge news.
But don't worry, the Earth is still a ball revolving around the Sun because the aliens came through a wormhole from their own ball planet & heliocentric system located billions of light years away. (https://i.ibb.co/jGbbc3f/rofl2.png)
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I want to hook up with a space babe as much as anyone but there are no aliens.
There's no such thing as an 'earth-like' planet.
All the data we have about exoplanets shows our cosmos is an inhospitable sewer. The Drake equation with solve showing one civilization per galaxy.
Aliens aren't real but they do make awesome clickbait
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I want to hook up with a space babe as much as anyone but there are no aliens.
There's no such thing as an 'earth-like' planet.
All the data we have about exoplanets shows our cosmos is an inhospitable sewer. The Drake equation with solve showing one civilization per galaxy.
Aliens aren't real but they do make awesome clickbait
Thats contradictory.
How can it be 1 civilization per galaxy but no aliens? There's trillions of galaxies!
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I want to hook up with a space babe as much as anyone but there are no aliens.
There's no such thing as an 'earth-like' planet.
All the data we have about exoplanets shows our cosmos is an inhospitable sewer. The Drake equation with solve showing one civilization per galaxy.
Aliens aren't real but they do make awesome clickbait
This kind of thinking is too reliant on the assumption that we know how everything works. What if they're from another dimension or time?
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The Guardian is now reporting on this, which means it's now far and beyond the darkest corners of the internet.
https://www.theguardian.com/world/2023/jun/06/whistleblower-ufo-alien-tech-spacecraft
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I want to hook up with a space babe as much as anyone but there are no aliens.
Prove it.
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This kind of thinking is too reliant on the assumption that we know how everything works. What if they're from another dimension or time?
What does that even mean? This isn't Star Trek.
It's certainly plausible that there's life out there. Whether it's intelligent life...well, given the size of the universe it's possible.
I always raise an eyebrow at anyone who says there's definitely intelligent life out there or definitely isn't, the truth is we don't know. Any numbers we plug into the Drake equation are largely guesswork. But it seems most likely to me that even if there are "little green men" out there, they're too far away to visit us or we them. If Einstein was right about the speed of light being the universal speed limit.
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While I'm not going to remove posts arguing about the existence of aliens, I don't see it as entirely relevant to the topic. While you are all free to have personal opinions on aliens, it does not affect whether or not they exist. I wanted to focus mainly on the recent new regarding several whistleblowers and what could be an actual Congressional investigation.
https://twitter.com/joekhaliltv/status/1666139887152644096?s=46&t=hTnGNyI2OE9hap_EAY7HTA
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In the spirit of keeping the debate focused, I would like to posit that these types of government incidents have gone on for a long time.
Like the Roswell incident...
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Roswell_incident
Or this guy...
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bob_Lazar
We just now have the ability to generate that type of content in quantities never imagined before. Anybody can be a former government engineer who worked on UFOs or even a Time traveler.
And to quickly address some other points, interdimensional space chicks don't count, that is too close to imaginary.
I would allow for the existence of a single civilization in another galaxy but that's so far away, fuck them.
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Having not clicked much...
Could be human origins but half a million years ago. Like an ancient civilization that was blasted back to the stone age.
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Extraordinary claims require extraordinary evidence. If this guy is willing to go to the media with his story, why isn't he willing to share with them the evidence that he's supposedly giving to Congress?
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DISCLOSURE IS HAPPENING!
People in the UFO circles have been yelling about this shit happening for the past few years now. And yeah, Bob Lazar is allegedly also a whistleblower but he sucks tbh and people in the UFO circles don't even care for him. I definitely believe there has been a disinformation campaign happening. I've read Dr. Hynek's book and he was essentially brought into the Project Blue Book to be a debunker but eventually changed his opinions. He mentioned the Air Force always pushed the narrative they didn't exist and they eventually swapped him out with other project leads.
But this guy has just talked to high ranking people about these crafts? He's never actually seen it himself? Idk how much can come from this one.
It might be too "imaginary" but wouldn't that be how a lot of things seemed before they were scientifically proven? We are simple meat bags, it's very arrogant to assume we know (or can ever know) how everything works when our senses and the way we interact with the world are basic as hell. I mean fuck, medical science can't even figure out what causes endometriosis lol. But it is pointless to discuss anything like that particularly with this group of people.
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People in the UFO circles have been yelling about this shit happening for the past few years now. And yeah, Bob Lazar is allegedly also a whistleblower but he sucks tbh and people in the UFO circles don't even care for him.
What? That's not true, I love Bob and so do many others. His story remains consistent even now after all the years.
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People in the UFO circles have been yelling about this shit happening for the past few years now. And yeah, Bob Lazar is allegedly also a whistleblower but he sucks tbh and people in the UFO circles don't even care for him.
What? That's not true, I love Bob and so do many others. His story remains consistent even now after all the years.
General opinion is that he's a grifter who lies about everything and has done more harm than good. Some people do believe him but at the very least he is extremely divisive and I feel like you'd know that if you actually had an interest in this stuff.
https://www.reddit.com/r/television/comments/c4r0lw/whats_the_deal_with_bob_lazar/
https://www.reddit.com/r/mystery/comments/sqt2ai/is_bob_lazar_full_of_shit_his_interesting_stories/
https://www.reddit.com/r/aliens/comments/12vnead/what_do_people_here_think_of_bob_lazar/
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This isn't related directly to the Grusch whistleblower case but the timing is funny. NASA Streamed AARO's public meeting on UAP (Unidentified Aerial Phenomena).
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oOFv7zF9JAA
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People in the UFO circles have been yelling about this shit happening for the past few years now. And yeah, Bob Lazar is allegedly also a whistleblower but he sucks tbh and people in the UFO circles don't even care for him.
What? That's not true, I love Bob and so do many others. His story remains consistent even now after all the years.
General opinion is that he's a grifter who lies about everything and has done more harm than good. Some people do believe him but at the very least he is extremely divisive and I feel like you'd know that if you actually had an interest in this stuff.
https://www.reddit.com/r/television/comments/c4r0lw/whats_the_deal_with_bob_lazar/
https://www.reddit.com/r/mystery/comments/sqt2ai/is_bob_lazar_full_of_shit_his_interesting_stories/
https://www.reddit.com/r/aliens/comments/12vnead/what_do_people_here_think_of_bob_lazar/
Reddit is a UFO circle now?? You can't be serious.
Not to mention that pretty much any general opinions on Reddit are wrong.
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I want to hook up with a space babe as much as anyone but there are no aliens.
There's no such thing as an 'earth-like' planet.
All the data we have about exoplanets shows our cosmos is an inhospitable sewer. The Drake equation with solve showing one civilization per galaxy.
Aliens aren't real but they do make awesome clickbait
This is just 21st century geocentrism.
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I want to hook up with a space babe as much as anyone but there are no aliens.
There's no such thing as an 'earth-like' planet.
All the data we have about exoplanets shows our cosmos is an inhospitable sewer. The Drake equation with solve showing one civilization per galaxy.
Aliens aren't real but they do make awesome clickbait
This is just 21st century geocentrism.
Really until we've actually seen some kind of proof they exist aliens are nothing better than speculative fiction.
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They released the full interview (you have to have a cable TV sub to watch it...)
It was garbage. Roughly an hour of a man saying other men told him they saw aliens. He even started saying humanity had agreements with aliens. He also said the evil mean bad aliens are allied with Russia and China. Really funny stuff.
Disappointing. I wanted some hot sexy aliens and all I got was some dude telling me "trust me bro, aliens".
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Apparently there will be a Congressional hearing on this - https://www.theguardian.com/world/2023/jun/08/ufo-house-representatives-hearing-investigation
There is something to this, but only because it is illegal to lie to Congress, and if you were making lies about the the military and the Pentagon to Congress they would want blood. Not a lot of people would play with their life and freedom like that, let alone multiple witnesses which they claim they are bringing into the congressional hearing.
On the other hand, if you were telling the truth and were exposing people who were lying and hiding significant things from the public they would still want blood. The government had previously told Congress years ago on multiple occasional that there was nothing to the UFO claims.
There does seem to be a growing number of whistleblower UFO disclosures, government releases, and official Navy and Airforce sighting videos. The government wants this in the mainstream for some reason. Either they have suddenly become much more honest, or this is yet another scam to get military contractor funding, enact martial law, or something like an attempt to adopt a one world government via fake alien invasion as predicted by Project Bluebeam.
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Project BlueBeam is an old conspiracy theory that the government is planning to fake an alien invasion to usher in the one world government. On his deathbed Werner von Braun supposedly revealed a plot (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=n-P8bPnlyiM) that the secretive elements of the US government will fake an alien invasion to bond countries together into a unified state. There were also supposedly some other people claiming that a government think tank came up with this.
One thing I find interesting is that if you search Google on the Project Blue Beam term these days you get a version of it that avoids talking about aliens and is more about religion now. Here are the first couple of links I got from Google on the Project Blue Beam term:
https://mythdetector.ge/en/where-does-the-blue-beam-conspiracy-originate/
Project Blue Beam is a conspiracy theory that develops the “New World Order” conspiracy. According to conspiracy theorists, the processes described in the Blue Beam theory are the steps, necessary to establish the “New World Order”.
According to the Blue Beam theorists, NASA and the UN have begun to produce highly advanced technology. Using this technology, the entire Earth will see a simulation in the sky that would be created using satellites, located at different locations on the Earth. As the conspiracy goes, using this method, and in cooperation with the Antichrist, a simulation of the Second Coming will be created and all humans on the Earth will be united under a single religion under the framework of the Blue Beam.
https://timesofindia.indiatimes.com/what-is-project-blue-beam/articleshow/3371815.cms
Project Blue Beam is a conspiracy theory about a supposed project whose purpose is to create an artificial Second Coming, in order to control people. As per the alleged theory, the new world order's purpose is: 1. To abolish all Christian and traditional religions in order to replace them with a one-world religion based on the cult of man. 2. To abolish all national identities and national pride in order to establish a world identity and a world pride. 3. To abolish the family as known today in order to replace them with individuals all working for the glory of the new one-world government.
If you search on Yandex.com for "Project Blue Beam" you get the classic theory with some older links about the fake alien invasion.
Here is an older link about Project Blue Beam from 2010:
https://goldenageofgaia.com/2010/09/24/werner-von-braun-and-the-hoaxed-alien-invasion-from-space/
The military-industrial complex mapped out the various false-flag operations it would conduct into the future as far back as the 1970s, as this article lays out. Their purpose was to keep the world in an almost-perpetual state of war, for reasons varying from maintaining high sales of military equipment to American domination of the world.
The hoaxed invasion is referred to as “Project Blue Beam.” (Google.) Thanks to Doug.
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The goal of this hoaxed space alien invasion was simple: control thru fear, to drive governments of all nations to submit and unite under one central authority, a One World Government, and as Dr. Greer said: “…to justify eventually spending trillions on space weapons… thus uniting the world in fear, in militarism and war.”
Another link, from 2011:
https://rewardsinheaven.blogspot.com/2011/06/nasas-project-bleam-blue-and-fake.html
Project Bluebeam has been reported as a secret government conspiracy to convince the masses slowly over time through conditioning that aliens are real and are visiting our planet. As part of the 'Iron Mountain Report', supposedly commissioned by the U.S. government in the early 1960's, a possible alien-threat scenario was envisioned in this report as a means to uniting the masses together against an alien invasion.
Regardless of merit, I find it interesting how there seems to be two versions of this theory, one about faking an alien invasion and one about faking a religious second coming. The theory of faking a second coming seems to have some references dating back to years ago, but it seems visible to me that the fake alien invasion theory has been pushed out of the main Google searches on this subject and is more difficult to pull up.
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It was garbage. Roughly an hour of a man saying other men told him they saw aliens.
Yep, called it.
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I liked /r/UFOs at first but now it just turned into another /x/ where everyone schizo rants about how they saw aliens. One commenter kindly informed me that aliens landed in their backyard and tried to jiggle the doorknob of the backdoor to get into their house. They also told me such aliens are evil but follow vampire law: meaning they cannot enter your home if you don't invite them in. Great. Good thing the evil space aliens cannot bypass the holy power of a locked door, else we would all be screwed!
I don't know who is being serious and who is joking, but I do know this entire whistleblower thing seems insane to me now. Why would you tell us there's a massive US government coverup of The Truth™ then refuse to reveal any of the information because the government considers it classified? "No, no, you need to wait for the Inspector General to complete their report!" ...what? How can you simultaneously tell us that you want us all to know the truth but, sorry, you can't do that while the truth is classified. Really boggles the ol' noggin.
In other news, I had a dream last night where aliens showed me their big flying saucer and it was bigger on the inside. That was pretty neat. No, it wasn't a TARDIS, but it should have been. This dream was obviously the aliens contacting me to show me how awesome their ship is. They wouldn't tell me how to build one, though. Lame.
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I don't know who is being serious and who is joking, but I do know this entire whistleblower thing seems insane to me now. Why would you tell us there's a massive US government coverup of The Truth™ then refuse to reveal any of the information because the government considers it classified?
This is the classic pattern with conspiracy freaks. We see it in Flat Earth, Fake Moon Landing, Time Travel Experiments, Medbeds, etc.
These beliefs give the believer the idea that they are special. That they have special knowledge that sets them apart from and above humanity. They treasure this knowledge and protect it from reality. It allows them an escape from the real truth that they are sad losers whose only life is a stupid story of made-up aliens.
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I don't think we'll ever get disclosure from the government. The "whistleblowers" have popped up too often with no results.
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This is the classic pattern with conspiracy freaks. We see it in Flat Earth, Fake Moon Landing, Time Travel Experiments, Medbeds, etc.
These beliefs give the believer the idea that they are special. That they have special knowledge that sets them apart from and above humanity. They treasure this knowledge and protect it from reality. It allows them an escape from the real truth that they are sad losers whose only life is a stupid story of made-up aliens.
That is not what this is at all. This is a person simultaneously claiming they are a patriot to a government that is covering up the existence of alien spacecraft and aliens in general. It's paradoxical. You can't be both a whistleblower and keep all the secrets of the organization you're blowing the whistle on. You can't have your cake and eat it too. This sort of behavior is more in line with Tom's Project Blue Beam allegations than a real whistleblower.
Most of the conspiracy believers you mentioned would not be trusted with the classified information about aliens because they are precisely the kind of person to distribute it out to everyone.
I don't think we'll ever get disclosure from the government. The "whistleblowers" have popped up too often with no results.
They want to keep all the hot alien babes to themselves.
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I don't think we'll ever get disclosure from the government. The "whistleblowers" have popped up too often with no results.
They want to keep all the hot alien babes to themselves.
The most we've gotten is the Pentagon formally acknowledging that one air force video that had already been out for years. And they basically just said "yeah we don't know what this is." Anything more would cause too much panic so they just deny and discredit wherever they can. I doubt they have any "evidence" anyone could get out to the public and any hint of a whistleblower they can deal with pretty easily.
But I don't see why we really need the government to formally address something for the public to believe it.
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The U.S. government couldn't keep their most top secret secrets secret, even with an unlimited budget and no ethical oversight.
Bill Clinton couldn't even hide a girl under his desk. If they were hiding any UFOs, Yetis or miracle cancer cures, it would have been on the evening news long ago.
That is not what this is at all. This is a person simultaneously claiming they are a patriot to a government that is covering up the existence of alien spacecraft and aliens in general. It's paradoxical. You can't be both a whistleblower and keep all the secrets of the organization you're blowing the whistle on.
True, this is a special variety of freak. But still a freak with nothing but a story.
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The U.S. government couldn't keep their most top secret secrets secret, even with an unlimited budget and no ethical oversight.
I don't think they have any physical evidence. But it would be pretty easy to keep data a secret. Or maybe not a secret but discredit enough that it just sounds like crazy conspiracies. They have the extra benefit of a lot of people thinking it's crazy bullshit already.
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The U.S. government couldn't keep their most top secret secrets secret, even with an unlimited budget and no ethical oversight.
I don't think they have any physical evidence. But it would be pretty easy to keep data a secret. Or maybe not a secret but discredit enough that it just sounds like crazy conspiracies. They have the extra benefit of a lot of people thinking it's crazy bullshit already.
If we had any real data, the Russians would already have it. (Solarwinds)
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If we had any real data, the Russians would already have it. (Solarwinds)
I've never seen anything say they have all of the pentagon's data but I guess I wouldn't know.
Also, so? I'm sure Russia has their own UAP data as well. Not sure how that's relevant to discrediting our own whistleblowers.
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hey look, Rushy
https://thehill.com/opinion/technology/4067865-congress-doubles-down-on-explosive-claims-of-illegal-ufo-retrieval-programs/
And then the reddit post talking about it:
https://www.reddit.com/r/UFOs/comments/14kbyls/congress_doubles_down_on_explosive_claims_of/
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Marco Rubio is not at all a reliable source and is almost certainly lying. My bet is that he's trying to distract from Trump's ongoing legal drama, although it's possible that he just sees this as an opportunity to pander to conspiracy theorists.
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I want to hook up with a space babe as much as anyone but there are no aliens.
There's no such thing as an 'earth-like' planet.
All the data we have about exoplanets shows our cosmos is an inhospitable sewer. The Drake equation with solve showing one civilization per galaxy.
Aliens aren't real but they do make awesome clickbait
This is just 21st century geocentrism.
Really until we've actually seen some kind of proof they exist aliens are nothing better than speculative fiction.
So were exoplanets until the 1990s. And they are huge and easier to spot than aliens would be. Aliens exist because that's the boring, expected option.
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I want to hook up with a space babe as much as anyone but there are no aliens.
There's no such thing as an 'earth-like' planet.
All the data we have about exoplanets shows our cosmos is an inhospitable sewer. The Drake equation with solve showing one civilization per galaxy.
Aliens aren't real but they do make awesome clickbait
This is just 21st century geocentrism.
Really until we've actually seen some kind of proof they exist aliens are nothing better than speculative fiction.
So were exoplanets until the 1990s.
Yes, that's how it works. We have evidence of exoplanets now, therefore they are no longer speculative fiction, like cell phones or the internet. Skies full of flying cars, time travel, and aliens remain nothing more than speculative fiction.
Aliens exist because that's the boring, expected option.
Right, that's the history of science in a nutshell, huh? Everything we have ever expected to be the case has always been the case because of our infallible human minds. Great point, I guess we can close the book on this one. ::)
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Marco Rubio is not at all a reliable source and is almost certainly lying. My bet is that he's trying to distract from Trump's ongoing legal drama, although it's possible that he just sees this as an opportunity to pander to conspiracy theorists.
Do you have any evidence that Senator Rubio is lying about the official activities of the Senate Intelligence Committee in his capacity as the Vice Chairman of that organization?
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Marco Rubio is not at all a reliable source and is almost certainly lying. My bet is that he's trying to distract from Trump's ongoing legal drama, although it's possible that he just sees this as an opportunity to pander to conspiracy theorists.
Do you have any evidence that Senator Rubio is lying about the official activities of the Senate Intelligence Committee in his capacity as the Vice Chairman of that organization?
Do you have any evidence that he was given accurate information?
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hey look, Rushy
https://thehill.com/opinion/technology/4067865-congress-doubles-down-on-explosive-claims-of-illegal-ufo-retrieval-programs/
And then the reddit post talking about it:
https://www.reddit.com/r/UFOs/comments/14kbyls/congress_doubles_down_on_explosive_claims_of/
Nice. If this is truly the Senate Intelligence Committee getting flustered over this revelation and not merely some political circus show, we will get somewhere.
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Marco Rubio is not at all a reliable source and is almost certainly lying. My bet is that he's trying to distract from Trump's ongoing legal drama, although it's possible that he just sees this as an opportunity to pander to conspiracy theorists.
Do you have any evidence that Senator Rubio is lying about the official activities of the Senate Intelligence Committee in his capacity as the Vice Chairman of that organization?
You can dress him up with his official titles all you want, but at the end of the day Rubio is still a cynical, dishonest politician aligned with a deeply cynical, dishonest, and fundamentally anti-democratic political faction that have made it clear that their only real goal is to secure as much power as they can for themselves and their ideological allies for as long as possible and by any means necessary. There's no reason to assume that their priorities have radically shifted simply because an unusual subject has come under discussion.
To answer the question more directly, like I said earlier, extraordinary claims require extraordinary evidence. Instead, all we have here is an implausible and unlikely story, one that sounds more like the clichés of science fiction than real life. That by itself is enough to reasonably conclude that the person telling the story is almost certainly lying. It might be believable if it were told by someone with a strong reputation for honesty, which leads us right to the fact that it was Rubio who told this story, a politician who sees truth and lies only as a means to an end of securing power. Besides, he has nothing to lose by lying. Even if ironclad proof that he was lying came out right now, it wouldn't matter. Republican voters would mostly ignore it, and the few who did take note of it would praise Rubio for "owning the libs" or whatever.
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Marco Rubio is not at all a reliable source and is almost certainly lying. My bet is that he's trying to distract from Trump's ongoing legal drama, although it's possible that he just sees this as an opportunity to pander to conspiracy theorists.
Do you have any evidence that Senator Rubio is lying about the official activities of the Senate Intelligence Committee in his capacity as the Vice Chairman of that organization?
You can dress him up with his official titles all you want, but at the end of the day Rubio is still a cynical, dishonest politician aligned with a deeply cynical, dishonest, and fundamentally anti-democratic political faction that have made it clear that their only real goal is to secure as much power as they can for themselves and their ideological allies for as long as possible and by any means necessary. There's no reason to assume that their priorities have radically shifted simply because an unusual subject has come under discussion.
To answer the question more directly, like I said earlier, extraordinary claims require extraordinary evidence. Instead, all we have here is an implausible and unlikely story, one that sounds more like the clichés of science fiction than real life. That by itself is enough to reasonably conclude that the person telling the story is almost certainly lying. It might be believable if it were told by someone with a strong reputation for honesty, which leads us right to the fact that it was Rubio who told this story, a politician who sees truth and lies only as a means to an end of securing power. Besides, he has nothing to lose by lying. Even if ironclad proof that he was lying came out right now, it wouldn't matter. Republican voters would mostly ignore it, and the few who did take note of it would praise Rubio for "owning the libs" or whatever.
A congressional committee claiming the existence of government whistleblowers on the existence of aliens is also extraordinary, and meets the need for extraordinary evidence that the whistleblowers exist. Your reaction is to deny the evidence and call senate officials liars because if you had to accept it you couldn't explain it.
Politicians might sometimes be selective of the truth, or adopt an alternative interpretation to an event, but rarely do they blatantly lie in the way you're alleging. The Senate Intelligence Committee claiming the existence of whistleblowers is a form of evidence, while your yelling about liars is not evidence at all.
Politico clearly characterizes the situation as multiple senators wanting the public to see the UFO information:
https://www.politico.com/news/2020/06/23/senators-ufo-government-reports-336021
(https://i.imgur.com/zIclFNW.png)
Politico also champions Marco Rubio as a leader of the Senate Intelligence Committee who is directing the executive branch to collect the information:
(https://i.imgur.com/hRzWFiS.png)
So his official role is to collect this information to present to the public, yet your position is that he did so and is now lying about what was found.
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Remember folks: UFOs include experimental planes that are unidentified.
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They aren't talking about sightings anymore. Now they are talking about the government having possession of craft of non-human origin.
https://www.newsnationnow.com/banfield/rubio-recent-ufo-whistleblower-isnt-the-only-one/
(https://i.imgur.com/B5bwlPV.png)
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Whistleblower David Grusch, who admits he hasn’t seen the supposedly in-hand detritus of unidentified anomalous phenomena (UAP), the official rechristening of UFOs. Nor does he have any firsthand evidence of them; he says he is repeating what other, as-yet-unnamed, people told him
https://www.bu.edu/articles/2023/ex-intelligence-official-us-government-ufo/
Well that's super-compelling.
:D
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Actually he claims that he does have evidence, and that he provided it to investigators.
https://www.newsnationnow.com/space/military-whistleblowe-us-ufo-retrieval-program/
“I thought it was totally nuts and I thought at first I was being deceived, it was a ruse,” Grusch told Coulthart. “People started to confide in me. Approach me. I have plenty of senior, former, intelligence officers that came to me, many of which I knew almost my whole career, that confided in me that they were part of a program.”
Grusch said those officials named the program, which he had never heard of before.
“They told me, based on their oral testimony, and they provided me documents and other proof, that there was in fact a program that the UAP Task Force was not read into,” he said.
Grusch alleges the U.S. government has recovered non-human craft for decades. He recently filed a whistle-blower complaint, stating he gave what he referred to as classified “proof” to Congress and the Intelligence Community Inspector General.
NewsNation has confirmed Grusch’s credentials and resume, but has not seen or verified the alleged proof he said he provided to investigators. Grusch said he can’t show NewsNation the evidence for national security reasons.
Your article must mean that he responsibly provided his evidence to Congress, but not to the media, because he does claim to have evidence.
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Actually he claims that he does have evidence, and that he provided it to investigators.
OK. So are you on team globe now then? I'm struggling to see how alien life would be possible in your model.
My issue with this, with my very much globe hat on, is that if there is alien life out there it's almost certainly too far away to contact us, much less meet us.
If Einstein is right about the speed of light being a universal speed limit then given the nearest star is 4 light years away it seems vanishingly unlikely that any life out there would be close enough to visit in any reasonable timescale. As far as we know warp drives are very much in the realm of science fiction. But obviously it would be arrogant to assume we know everything.
It is interesting though that since the advent of smart phones, where now everyone effectively has a camera on them at all times, there hasn't been an explosion in clear photos of bigfoot, the Lock Ness Monster and UFOs.
In brief, I'm pretty sceptical about all this, but it would be kinda exciting (and a bit terrifying) if these claims are true.
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I think these whistleblowers are real people and will likely make more claims in the Congressional hearings on this. But no, I have doubts that there are really aliens myself.
I suspect that all of this is more likely to be part of a government scam to try to unite the world against a common threat and enact a one world government like Wernher Von Braun predicted (https://goldenageofgaia.com/2010/09/24/werner-von-braun-and-the-hoaxed-alien-invasion-from-space/), and like what figures like Ronald Reagan and Bill Clinton have suggested.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QvcDNrKOlOM
In this interview Bill Clinton seems to have some prepared statements and interrupts the host to invite us to think about how great it would be if we were threatened by aliens. Bill Clinton suggests that it would be just great and that it is perhaps the "only way" the world can come together. The whole world could unite together as one to fight against the aliens and be at peace with each other.
Ronald Reagan made similar statements (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Ag44dRO8LEA) about how good being threatened by aliens would be for the world. This seems to follow the game plan that Wherner Von Braun warned about.
These remarks about how good being threatened by aliens would be for the world are obviously loony and is a transparent attempt at directed opinion, since we don't know that we could do much to fight aliens, and it is absurd to publicly fantasize about world peace and world unification in a potential alien invasion scenario.
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Marco Rubio is not at all a reliable source and is almost certainly lying. My bet is that he's trying to distract from Trump's ongoing legal drama, although it's possible that he just sees this as an opportunity to pander to conspiracy theorists.
Do you have any evidence that Senator Rubio is lying about the official activities of the Senate Intelligence Committee in his capacity as the Vice Chairman of that organization?
You can dress him up with his official titles all you want, but at the end of the day Rubio is still a cynical, dishonest politician aligned with a deeply cynical, dishonest, and fundamentally anti-democratic political faction that have made it clear that their only real goal is to secure as much power as they can for themselves and their ideological allies for as long as possible and by any means necessary. There's no reason to assume that their priorities have radically shifted simply because an unusual subject has come under discussion.
To answer the question more directly, like I said earlier, extraordinary claims require extraordinary evidence. Instead, all we have here is an implausible and unlikely story, one that sounds more like the clichés of science fiction than real life. That by itself is enough to reasonably conclude that the person telling the story is almost certainly lying. It might be believable if it were told by someone with a strong reputation for honesty, which leads us right to the fact that it was Rubio who told this story, a politician who sees truth and lies only as a means to an end of securing power. Besides, he has nothing to lose by lying. Even if ironclad proof that he was lying came out right now, it wouldn't matter. Republican voters would mostly ignore it, and the few who did take note of it would praise Rubio for "owning the libs" or whatever.
A congressional committee claiming the existence of government whistleblowers on the existence of aliens is also extraordinary, and meets the need for extraordinary evidence that the whistleblowers exist. Your reaction is to deny the evidence and call senate officials liars because if you had to accept it you couldn't explain it.
Politicians might sometimes be selective of the truth, or adopt an alternative interpretation to an event, but rarely do they blatantly lie in the way you're alleging. The Senate Intelligence Committee claiming the existence of whistleblowers is a form of evidence, while your yelling about liars is not evidence at all.
Politico clearly characterizes the situation as multiple senators wanting the public to see the UFO information:
https://www.politico.com/news/2020/06/23/senators-ufo-government-reports-336021
(https://i.imgur.com/zIclFNW.png)
Politico also champions Marco Rubio as a leader of the Senate Intelligence Committee who is directing the executive branch to collect the information:
(https://i.imgur.com/hRzWFiS.png)
So his official role is to collect this information to present to the public, yet your position is that he did so and is now lying about what was found.
All you're doing is using a lot of words to try and characterize Rubio's comments as actually being from the Senate or the committee as a whole. And yes, Politico does seem to be doing the same thing. I think it's pretty sloppy journalism, as anybody can read the article and see that the facts contradict that narrative. Neither the Senate nor the committee made these explosive claims about secret coverups of alien visitations. Only one very dishonest man with a strong motive to lie and a history of pandering to conspiracy theorists did.
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Politicians calling for the investigation of UFOs and release of UFO evidence are simply click-baiting the conspiracy redneck constituency. They know there's no secret alien autopsy but it sells really well. It works even if aliens aren't real.
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Marco Rubio randomly and opportunistically lying just doesn't make sense. It isn't only David Grusch and Maco Rubio claiming this. Ross Coulthart was the News Nation reporter who initially interviewed Grusch and says that other people have come forward to him, and that the Inspector General of the intelligence community had referred Grusch story to Congress because there are other people making the same claims in depositions.
https://youtu.be/zZprLT6_K64?t=180
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News Nation: And you say since David gruff came forward, the people thst have since came forward to you, you are saying that they are making the exact same claims?
Coulthart: Absolutely.
Coulthart: And more importantly just to emphasize this, the Inspector General of the intelligence community has already desposed, he has taken information from some of these people, which is why he found Mr. Grusch's allegations credible and urgent and referred them to the Congress.
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Actually he claims that he does have evidence, and that he provided it to investigators.
OK. So are you on team globe now then? I'm struggling to see how alien life would be possible in your model.
My issue with this, with my very much globe hat on, is that if there is alien life out there it's almost certainly too far away to contact us, much less meet us.
If Einstein is right about the speed of light being a universal speed limit then given the nearest star is 4 light years away it seems vanishingly unlikely that any life out there would be close enough to visit in any reasonable timescale. As far as we know warp drives are very much in the realm of science fiction. But obviously it would be arrogant to assume we know everything.
It is interesting though that since the advent of smart phones, where now everyone effectively has a camera on them at all times, there hasn't been an explosion in clear photos of bigfoot, the Lock Ness Monster and UFOs.
In brief, I'm pretty sceptical about all this, but it would be kinda exciting (and a bit terrifying) if these claims are true.
You do not need to be on a "team globe" to believe in what should properly be described as extradimensional (not extraterrestrial) beings.
You are spot on with the lack of "Explosive" evidence, given the technology of today...solidifies the OMB syndrome...
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https://www.reddit.com/r/aliens/comments/14rp7w9/from_the_late_2000s_to_the_mid2010s_i_worked_as_a/
Probably fake but a fun write-up. Did you know birds have a unidirectional respiratory system? I learned that today from this post. So, even if it is mostly fiction, it does seem to have some pretty neat biology facts in it.
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https://www.newsweek.com/ufo-suspicions-intellingence-officer-alien-claims-david-grusch-investigated-congress-1811960
(https://d.newsweek.com/en/full/2255789/area-51-ufos-aliens.webp?w=790&f=539ed0f13895f5f4c3049a9d389e158b)