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Flat Earth Theory / Re: Answer these:
« on: February 09, 2017, 01:51:00 PM »
Every assassination of a US president has never been conclusively proven to be some kind of "conspiracy". Lenin wasn't that bad of a guy, Stalin and Mao were despotic dictators that weren't elected and didn't leave their office until death, there's no parallel you can draw between them and any president.

I honestly believe you are simply demonstrating the depth of your close-minded narrow view of the OS.

You lick the OS like it is your favorite lollipop.

Yeah, not elected, but only because elections do not take place.

You probably believe the candidates running for national offices are the honest to goodness real deal...

You keep asking for proof for something that is plain as the nose on your face.

It just so happens that nose is conveniently buried in the _ _ _ of your reality.

You are getting the stink face treatment from the MSM and you love it.
Give me proof that the elections are fake. Everything I've seen seems to support them

Proof...

You believe the options for national offices, such as POTUS, are legitimately the best the country has to offer?
The POTUS is the Supreme Commander of the military, he can stop laws from passing with a veto, and he can pass executive orders. Pretty powerful if you ask me, especially considering that being POTUS gives you a LOT of influence over many people. It is, after all, the highest office in the land. And if you tell me that there is some kind of secret position even more powerful than POTUS, I'll need to see some evidence backing that up. All I've seen is your opinions in this thread. You haven't given a single fact or figure. Contrary to your belief, some wikipedia articles are completely valid, if they have several well-cited sources. I still have yet to see a single proof of what you believe, once I see that I'll consider it, for now I'll laugh you of as some stupid crazy person on the internet. Give me valid cited resources.

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Flat Earth Theory / Re: The Moon Landing was REAL.
« on: February 09, 2017, 01:44:39 PM »
Okay.

I see you ignore the numbers issue.

Hundreds of thousands of employees over the course of many years, if you accept Wikipedia as a genuine source.

China and the USSR, according to the sources you rely on in claiming the existence of the fictional "Cold War,", were, if anything, even more adversarial than the US/USSR.

Nixon went to China for cryin out loud.

Also buddy/buddy with Brezhnev and a lot of criminal gang leaders here in the US.
I do have to wonder though,

what on earth have NASA, satellites and the moon landings got to do with the shape of the earth? A big fat nothing!

Anyone with even a little knowledge on the matter knows that since a few hundred BC there has been little question that the earth is a globe.

Even in th early western church, with the writings of "the Venerable Bede" etc, it is clear that the Globe was accepted as the shape of the earth and
 to around 1000 AD, at least, the early Muslim astronomers, with Al Biruni et al, certainly believed the same.

So, all you fuss about NASA etc, is just a big waste of your time!
Well one of the major points of the "conspiracy" is that all NASA photos showing the shape of the earth are flat. If I can pick that apart successfully, their entire theory unravels, and it's an EASY target.

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Flat Earth Theory / Re: Answer these:
« on: February 09, 2017, 12:16:06 AM »
Every assassination of a US president has never been conclusively proven to be some kind of "conspiracy". Lenin wasn't that bad of a guy, Stalin and Mao were despotic dictators that weren't elected and didn't leave their office until death, there's no parallel you can draw between them and any president.

I honestly believe you are simply demonstrating the depth of your close-minded narrow view of the OS.

You lick the OS like it is your favorite lollipop.

Yeah, not elected, but only because elections do not take place.

You probably believe the candidates running for national offices are the honest to goodness real deal...

You keep asking for proof for something that is plain as the nose on your face.

It just so happens that nose is conveniently buried in the _ _ _ of your reality.

You are getting the stink face treatment from the MSM and you love it.
Give me proof that the elections are fake. Everything I've seen seems to support them

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With corner reflectors the angle of incidence doesn't matter. The incidence and reflection angles are identical. So, yes I did think about that.
I know. I'm just adding some info to the debate that may not have been considered. Great to see that you did. Although there is the fact that there is a lot of scattered light reflecting off the moon, it might change the strength of the reflected light. Your receiver may also get some sun reflection from the LRR

If I were taking the readings, then I would take a baseline reading and then measure the jump in intensity.  Afterwards, you would want to rule out any other possible noise sources, like solar flare or something like that.
Yep. But "Muh conspiracies"e

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With corner reflectors the angle of incidence doesn't matter. The incidence and reflection angles are identical. So, yes I did think about that.
I know. I'm just adding some info to the debate that may not have been considered. Great to see that you did. Although there is the fact that there is a lot of scattered light reflecting off the moon, it might change the strength of the reflected light. Your receiver may also get some sun reflection from the LRR

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Flat Earth Theory / Re: Answer these:
« on: February 08, 2017, 04:39:03 PM »
You still haven't given me a single statistic other than one you pulled out of your ass. Guess what: People like power. There's more to life than money, in case you didn't know.

Willing to acknowledge power grabs and the desire for such...

That is certainly a start.

What lengths do some people go to keep or consolidate that power?
They run for re-election.

Nothing else, uh?

Like killing opposition?
Give me proof of such and I will believe it. Same with everything. Proof and I'll believe it. I haven't seen proof of the flat earth yet, neither have I seen proof of presidents assassinating their opponents. There's the fact that NO PRESIDENT except FDR, who was a special case anyway, was in office for more than 8 years. Pretty good proof that presidents are willing to step down.

Yep, none of the presidents of the US were ever assassinated and certainly the fine folks like Lenin, Stalin, Mao, et.al., were all very benevolent persons...

Dude, you need to wake up and smell the coffee...
Every assassination of a US president has never been conclusively proven to be some kind of "conspiracy". Lenin wasn't that bad of a guy, Stalin and Mao were despotic dictators that weren't elected and didn't leave their office until death, there's no parallel you can draw between them and any president.

He even buys into American Exceptionalism... lol
I don't "buy into it", I read history books. We are exceptional, in many ways. If you give me proof of a conspiracy, I will believe it.

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Flat Earth Theory / Re: Answer these:
« on: February 08, 2017, 02:35:41 PM »
You still haven't given me a single statistic other than one you pulled out of your ass. Guess what: People like power. There's more to life than money, in case you didn't know.

Willing to acknowledge power grabs and the desire for such...

That is certainly a start.

What lengths do some people go to keep or consolidate that power?
They run for re-election.

Nothing else, uh?

Like killing opposition?
Give me proof of such and I will believe it. Same with everything. Proof and I'll believe it. I haven't seen proof of the flat earth yet, neither have I seen proof of presidents assassinating their opponents. There's the fact that NO PRESIDENT except FDR, who was a special case anyway, was in office for more than 8 years. Pretty good proof that presidents are willing to step down.

Yep, none of the presidents of the US were ever assassinated and certainly the fine folks like Lenin, Stalin, Mao, et.al., were all very benevolent persons...

Dude, you need to wake up and smell the coffee...
Every assassination of a US president has never been conclusively proven to be some kind of "conspiracy". Lenin wasn't that bad of a guy, Stalin and Mao were despotic dictators that weren't elected and didn't leave their office until death, there's no parallel you can draw between them and any president.

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Welp, just to add, the reflector is angled. Did you account for THAT in your calculations? It's not going to be a straight shot.

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Flat Earth Theory / Re: Answer these:
« on: February 08, 2017, 01:52:25 PM »
You still haven't given me a single statistic other than one you pulled out of your ass. Guess what: People like power. There's more to life than money, in case you didn't know.

Willing to acknowledge power grabs and the desire for such...

That is certainly a start.

What lengths do some people go to keep or consolidate that power?
They run for re-election.

Nothing else, uh?

Like killing opposition?
Give me proof of such and I will believe it. Same with everything. Proof and I'll believe it. I haven't seen proof of the flat earth yet, neither have I seen proof of presidents assassinating their opponents. There's the fact that NO PRESIDENT except FDR, who was a special case anyway, was in office for more than 8 years. Pretty good proof that presidents are willing to step down.

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Flat Earth Theory / Re: The Moon Landing was REAL.
« on: February 08, 2017, 01:49:19 PM »
Okay.

I see you ignore the numbers issue.

Hundreds of thousands of employees over the course of many years, if you accept Wikipedia as a genuine source.

China and the USSR, according to the sources you rely on in claiming the existence of the fictional "Cold War,", were, if anything, even more adversarial than the US/USSR.

Nixon went to China for cryin out loud.

Also buddy/buddy with Brezhnev and a lot of criminal gang leaders here in the US.
Again, this exposes one of the many horrible holes in your understanding of history. Ever heard of the Sino-Soviet split? From 1960-1989, relations deteriorated between the USSR and China. They were still friends enough to ship supplies to the Viet Cong in 1970. Nixon went to China to drive a wedge between the two countries. Delegates still visit other countries even if they are at odds, that's the way international politics works. China and the US still have bad relations today.

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Flat Earth Theory / Re: The Moon Landing was REAL.
« on: February 07, 2017, 07:22:09 PM »
Three basic arguments that I have not yet seen thoroughly refuted:
If NASA can fake great acheivments, then why haven't they faked, say, a Mars landing?
Why didn't the USSR discredit the moon landing? They had the ability to track the lander in, and the command module back, and never said it was fake. They were mortal enemies of the US at the time, and refutation of the moon landing would have been a propaganda coup for the Soviets.
Why, when hundreds of thousands of people worked on the Apollo missions, has nobody ever said that it was fake? No scientist on their deathbed, no anonymous engineer, there are no credible sources of workers exposing it as fake.

It is not acheivments, it is achievements.

They will soon fake a Mars landing.

See Capricorn One.

The USSR was never a mortal enemy of the US and there is no proof of that. The US/USSR never engaged each other in a war.

I want proof that hundreds of thousands of people have worked for NASA.

Credible as in meeting your subjective definition of the word.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Budget_of_NASA#NASA_employment
Draw what conclusions you would, it is well cited. They engaged indirectly in wars. Give me credible evidence that they weren't. I have every history book on the matter behind me.

Okay, your source for employment is Wikipedia, for one.

Two, you stated 100's.

Have you lost track of place holders in identifying numbers?

Name the wars.
Vietnam. The North Vietnamese were Soviet and Chinese funded.
Korea, the Chinese were given Soviet equipment which they gave to North Korea.

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Flat Earth Theory / Re: The Moon Landing was REAL.
« on: February 07, 2017, 05:46:20 PM »
Three basic arguments that I have not yet seen thoroughly refuted:
If NASA can fake great acheivments, then why haven't they faked, say, a Mars landing?
Why didn't the USSR discredit the moon landing? They had the ability to track the lander in, and the command module back, and never said it was fake. They were mortal enemies of the US at the time, and refutation of the moon landing would have been a propaganda coup for the Soviets.
Why, when hundreds of thousands of people worked on the Apollo missions, has nobody ever said that it was fake? No scientist on their deathbed, no anonymous engineer, there are no credible sources of workers exposing it as fake.

It is not acheivments, it is achievements.

They will soon fake a Mars landing.

See Capricorn One.

The USSR was never a mortal enemy of the US and there is no proof of that. The US/USSR never engaged each other in a war.

I want proof that hundreds of thousands of people have worked for NASA.

Credible as in meeting your subjective definition of the word.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Budget_of_NASA#NASA_employment
Draw what conclusions you would, it is well cited. They engaged indirectly in wars. Give me credible evidence that they weren't. I have every history book on the matter behind me.

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Flat Earth Theory / Re: Answer these:
« on: February 07, 2017, 05:44:36 PM »
You still haven't given me a single statistic other than one you pulled out of your ass. Guess what: People like power. There's more to life than money, in case you didn't know.

Willing to acknowledge power grabs and the desire for such...

That is certainly a start.

What lengths do some people go to keep or consolidate that power?
They run for re-election.

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Flat Earth Theory / The Moon Landing was REAL.
« on: February 07, 2017, 01:46:21 PM »
Three basic arguments that I have not yet seen thoroughly refuted:
If NASA can fake great acheivments, then why haven't they faked, say, a Mars landing?
Why didn't the USSR discredit the moon landing? They had the ability to track the lander in, and the command module back, and never said it was fake. They were mortal enemies of the US at the time, and refutation of the moon landing would have been a propaganda coup for the Soviets.
Why, when hundreds of thousands of people worked on the Apollo missions, has nobody ever said that it was fake? No scientist on their deathbed, no anonymous engineer, there are no credible sources of workers exposing it as fake.

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Flat Earth Theory / Re: Answer these:
« on: February 06, 2017, 07:03:48 PM »
Billions on a campaign? I don't think so.
Actually, Roosevelt Jr. was leading a group from the front on Utah, and JFK got the purple heart for the injuries he sustained in his command. A PT boat is just a motorboat with torpedoes, one of the most dangerous jobs in the WW2 navy.
Anyway, I cannot entertain someone who offers no evidence for their claims and also DENIES THE COLD WAR. If you have evidence, re-open this. If not, shut up.

Okay, millions...tens of millions...

to win an office that pays 500 k a year...

Out of the goodness of their heart...

Again, you simply choose to remain willfully ignorant or obtuse or willfully allegiant to ideas and propaganda.

I cannot help this nor will I choose to try.

You can have your point and I can have mine.

As far as shutting up, you know where you can fly that banner...

In the darkest recesses of the pole stuck up your _ _ _.
You still haven't given me a single statistic other than one you pulled out of your ass. Guess what: People like power. There's more to life than money, in case you didn't know.

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Flat Earth Theory / Re: Answer these:
« on: February 06, 2017, 05:31:10 PM »
> John F Kennedy was a heroic PT boat commander in the pacific
>George H Bush was awarded the Distinguished Flying Cross in the Navy.
>Theodore Roosevelt's son, Theodore Roosevelt Jr, was on Utah Beach during D-Day
Many of these "elite" are simply too old to serve in the military
And the very idea that the Soviet Union and the United States were in a profiteering conspiracy in the cold war is the most preposterous statement I have EVER heard.
You haven't provided any evidence of this conspiracy, either, you just say it happened.

Yeah, I am sure the peeps you mentioned were in absolute grave danger.

Yeah, I am sure the governments and elites have absolutely lost all their resources and are not making one thin dime from their respective times at the top.

People spend billions on a campaign to assume an office that only pays 500K a year.

Okay.

Take your Aesop's and continue on.
Billions on a campaign? I don't think so.
Actually, Roosevelt Jr. was leading a group from the front on Utah, and JFK got the purple heart for the injuries he sustained in his command. A PT boat is just a motorboat with torpedoes, one of the most dangerous jobs in the WW2 navy.
Anyway, I cannot entertain someone who offers no evidence for their claims and also DENIES THE COLD WAR. If you have evidence, re-open this. If not, shut up.

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Flat Earth Theory / Re: Answer these:
« on: February 06, 2017, 03:48:30 PM »
You know that the Allies were prepared to turn Germany and Japan into nuclear wastelands if they didn't surrender, right? It wasn't a "Just One" kind of thing. 
No, they were not. You know the firebombings of Tokyo and the heavy losses sustained to the Japanese Naval Fleet had effectively ended the conflict with Japan and the so-called Axis in Europe had effectively collapsed in 1944, primarily due to massive bombings of factories throughout Germany.
There is no "bogeyman" about the cold war. You are actually suggesting a conspiracy that rewrote all of history for the entire world AND rewrote the memories of, I don't know, Vietnam veterans, Korea veterans, American armored divisions stationed in West Germany, and every person on both sides of the iron curtain.

No, I am suggesting an active conspiracy at that time, including full collaboration on the part of both sides, designed to generate maximum profiteering and subjugation of the world's populace.

You actually think the elite are going to engage in a war against each other?

They will not.

The sots will though...

The elites are not manning a machine gun nest...

Jesus man...

Just stop already.
> John F Kennedy was a heroic PT boat commander in the pacific
>George H Bush was awarded the Distinguished Flying Cross in the Navy.
>Theodore Roosevelt's son, Theodore Roosevelt Jr, was on Utah Beach during D-Day
Many of these "elite" are simply too old to serve in the military
And the very idea that the Soviet Union and the United States were in a profiteering conspiracy in the cold war is the most preposterous statement I have EVER heard.
You haven't provided any evidence of this conspiracy, either, you just say it happened.

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Flat Earth Theory / Re: Answer these:
« on: February 06, 2017, 02:49:28 PM »
How in the world does the cold war keep people away from the local moonshiner?

Holy cow dude...

What are you failing to comprehend?

Tales of the boogeyman and haunted houses and other such scary shit are utilized to keep people away or otherwise occupied while criminal enterprise is being conducted (i.e., GOVERNMENT)

Besides that, the people who invented them were intending to use them on Hitler and Japan.
Oh yeah...just one time...rrriiiggghhhttt...

LMAO!!!
They just kind of proliferated.
No, they have not...
It's not song and dance, many died, shots were fired, and a country collapsed. People starved, and the world was pretty shit actually
You are right...

Many people buy into this bullshit and they all become one gigantic asshole, perfectly willing to inflict their collective assholeishness on every one else...

You know, God Save the King and all that bullshit...
You know that the Allies were prepared to turn Germany and Japan into nuclear wastelands if they didn't surrender, right? It wasn't a "Just One" kind of thing. There is no "bogeyman" about the cold war. You are actually suggesting a conspiracy that rewrote all of history for the entire world AND rewrote the memories of, I don't know, Vietnam veterans, Korea veterans, American armored divisions stationed in West Germany, and every person on both sides of the iron curtain.

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Flat Earth Theory / Re: Answer these:
« on: February 05, 2017, 08:26:58 PM »
ideological differences.
You could have simply posted this...

And those ideological differences did boil down, have boiled down, and will boil down, to one thing and one thing only...

Which brand of totalitarian rule will be exercised in order to extract the most amount of wealth from the people.

All the rest is simply the surrounding drama.

Yeah, it is news and heartbreaking for those involved at the time, but one does not need to partake.

One can simply raise the middle finger.
First: Territory. The Soviets wanted AS MUCH land as possible as a buffer between them and a resurgent West that may invade them again. They also wanted the industrial heartland of Germany, the Ruhr, which happened to be in the occupation zone of the Western Allies.
The second was the fact that territory DIRECTLY controlled by the U.S., Britain, and France (One side in the cold war), the occupation zone of western Germany, DIRECTLY TOUCHED the territory DIRECTLY controlled by the USSR, the other side of the Cold War. This will create friction, especially when military units are massed in both due to those areas being the final areas pushed to by those massed armies during the endgame of World War 2, and the fact that the occupation governments were militarily based due to the fact that NOBODY trusted Germany after the SECOND time they had tried to take over Europe.
The final contributor that stirs the pots of these two factors are the ESSENTIAL differences in the ideals and ideologies of the two sides. It was democracy and the free market on one side, with authoritative policies and a controlled economy on the other. It was a battle for supremacy of ideals, and even deeper just a competition of who was smarter, stronger, richer, better.
 They poked, tussled, sent friends to kill each other, but never truly brought it to a fight, which was averted only due to the sheer power of the weapons that would be used, first the atom bomb and then the hydrogen fusion device. Although they both massed armies of flesh and steel on the borders, and re-constituted their respective Germany, they both knew that if they fought for real it would come to a unquenchable fire erupting in the heart of their each and every city, on both sides, in the cities of everyone, everywhere, until the achievements of civilization and civilization itself were scoured clean, and humans everywhere would die in droves, leaving very few survivors. Not very appealing. But they massed their armies, they marched on parade, NATO trained their warheads on the Fulda Gap, mines were lain that are still only being found today, lines were drawn, the planners sat in their bunkers designed to withstand any bomb, the anxious riflemen and tankers wondered if today would be the day that they would be flown in to meet their pre-prepared equipment in West Germany, and people everywhere were scared for their lives. In the end, it never happened. Nuclear war was averted, the lines were drawn but never used, and the Soviet Army was told to sit still in their barracks as the USSR fell apart around them.
If you say that all of the history books were just media farces, then I am genuinely concerned for your mental health. If you wonder why the Cold War never happened, it's because the weapons were TOO STRONG. It was suicidal to even start. That's why America beats up small 3rd world countries every once in a while, to release our Cold War residual anger. The Soviets released it on themselves in the early '90s.
So the cold war was all to real. If you really think that it was all a media farce, you're dumb.

LOL!!!

Maniacal people who invent such weapons are somehow sane enough to avoid their use...

Grimm's fairy tales INDEED!!!

It truly is the same song and dance as those stories of haunted houses and the boogeyman in the woods...

Tales simply made up in order to keep the gullible away from the local moonshiners or other such criminal enterprise...

You fall for it...hook, line, and sinker...

You can believe what you want.
How in the world does the cold war keep people away from the local moonshiner? Besides that, the people who invented them were intending to use them on Hitler and Japan. They just kind of proliferated. It's not song and dance, many died, shots were fired, and a country collapsed. People starved, and the world was pretty shit actually

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Flat Earth Theory / Re: Answer these:
« on: February 05, 2017, 12:05:02 AM »
rabinoz and totallackey are causing this thread to have more derailment than the Great Train Wreck of 1918.

Remember the OP's original post:
So flat earthers, answer these simple questions:
How did America fake NASA's space missions when the USSR hated them and would detect and discredit fakes?
What is the motive to cover up the flat earth?
If the earth isn't a planet, your explanation for how everything else is round but earth isn't, isn't that quite the human-centric point of view? Are all of you so arrogant that you truly believe that Earth and humanity is all that matters?
How does even but by when though?
Please stay on-topic and stop taking shots at each other. It's angry, low-content posting and this is the upper fora, where that crap isn't tolerated.

Sorry rabbit, Trix are for kids.

My posts are directly related to the point raised in the OP.

That being, the USSR would have "snitched the US out," if the moon landings were not real.

I have heard a lot of crap passed off as truth and this idea that the USSR and the US were at some kind of "odds," is a lot of crap.
But a clear understanding of the whole idea of geopolitics after the Second World War is obviously not evident. There were 3 main conflicts at the end of the second world war: Territory controlled or under influence, border friction, and ideological differences.
First: Territory. The Soviets wanted AS MUCH land as possible as a buffer between them and a resurgent West that may invade them again. They also wanted the industrial heartland of Germany, the Ruhr, which happened to be in the occupation zone of the Western Allies.
The second was the fact that territory DIRECTLY controlled by the U.S., Britain, and France (One side in the cold war), the occupation zone of western Germany, DIRECTLY TOUCHED the territory DIRECTLY controlled by the USSR, the other side of the Cold War. This will create friction, especially when military units are massed in both due to those areas being the final areas pushed to by those massed armies during the endgame of World War 2, and the fact that the occupation governments were militarily based due to the fact that NOBODY trusted Germany after the SECOND time they had tried to take over Europe.
The final contributor that stirs the pots of these two factors are the ESSENTIAL differences in the ideals and ideologies of the two sides. It was democracy and the free market on one side, with authoritative policies and a controlled economy on the other. It was a battle for supremacy of ideals, and even deeper just a competition of who was smarter, stronger, richer, better.
 They poked, tussled, sent friends to kill each other, but never truly brought it to a fight, which was averted only due to the sheer power of the weapons that would be used, first the atom bomb and then the hydrogen fusion device. Although they both massed armies of flesh and steel on the borders, and re-constituted their respective Germany, they both knew that if they fought for real it would come to a unquenchable fire erupting in the heart of their each and every city, on both sides, in the cities of everyone, everywhere, until the achievements of civilization and civilization itself were scoured clean, and humans everywhere would die in droves, leaving very few survivors. Not very appealing. But they massed their armies, they marched on parade, NATO trained their warheads on the Fulda Gap, mines were lain that are still only being found today, lines were drawn, the planners sat in their bunkers designed to withstand any bomb, the anxious riflemen and tankers wondered if today would be the day that they would be flown in to meet their pre-prepared equipment in West Germany, and people everywhere were scared for their lives. In the end, it never happened. Nuclear war was averted, the lines were drawn but never used, and the Soviet Army was told to sit still in their barracks as the USSR fell apart around them.
If you say that all of the history books were just media farces, then I am genuinely concerned for your mental health. If you wonder why the Cold War never happened, it's because the weapons were TOO STRONG. It was suicidal to even start. That's why America beats up small 3rd world countries every once in a while, to release our Cold War residual anger. The Soviets released it on themselves in the early '90s.
So the cold war was all to real. If you really think that it was all a media farce, you're dumb.

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