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How come some Flat Earthers think Australia isn real? Or is that one person?"Australia doesn't exist" has been something of an inside joke among FE'ers for many years.
We believe Australia isn't real because it isn't real.Come on, Rushy, you're a mod. You can do better than that.
If this is not what one believes, might I ask, what is the Flat Earth belief based on?Much like with any other belief, this will vary from individual to individual. Any attempt at summing them up would be a misrepresentation.
What is the base fact that all flat earthers agree on that makes it seem real?
it was indeed stolen from the other FE wiki.There is no "other FE wiki" and nothing was "stolen". The state of the Wiki from before the split was used as a basis for the current version of it. Meanwhile, the pre-forked version was destroyed entirely.
Basically I love a different kind of freedom!Taxation is theft, and theft is not freedom.
You just happen to love freedom a little less than last yearIt's probably because I can never decide between the "strong" and not strong answers.
And suddenly 2018:2015:
w0w also 2015:
Also I don't know if you can change the favicon on the cafe press shop, but that doesn't match either.I believe that's impossible.
Perfect. That's the Flat Earth Media board I mentioned. :-)Kind of but not completely. If you look at FEG's description, you'll also find that "conspiracy topics belong here". That's because the space flight conspiracy, while not strictly part of FET, will obviously warrant some discussion.
I don't really know what flat earth General is for either. It is a bit vague.The understanding of that seems to have died over time, I'm not entirely sure why. Basically, it's the place you'd go to discuss the recent YouGov poll that determined 1/3 of millennials believe in FET, or the Economist article about the movement's growth in America. It's where you'd go to talk about the Flat Earth shop that opened in Scotland, or the little clashes we've had with Elon Musk and Neil DGT. Things that are very clearly related to FET, but which are not directly part of the debate.
By the way I've always thought there should be a post limit on S&C. What do we care about the suggestion of someone who has only made 3 posts here and contributed nothing? They just spam it up with petulant whining. Even a small limit like 50 posts.Potentially a good suggestion. Could you make a separate thread about it so it doesn't get lost here?
this isn't a new website. Its got many years under its beltAh, but the situation we're currently in is newfound. I appreciate that a lot of this is happening behind the scenes and might not always be visible, but as situations arise, we often need to put a lot of work into fixing them.
When do we judge it and what are we working towards? This isn't a criticism, but I do feel a lot of empathy for Tom. I don't post anywhere near as much or with the same quality in the upper fora as I used to, and its because I find it hard to stay interested in the debates there because I've done them all before ... as have you, as has Tom, as has Parsifal etc.Agreed wholeheartedly. I think we're on the same page with regards to the challenge we're facing, and I don't think our thoughts about how to fix it are all that different from one another. A lot of this is just us phrasing similar concepts in very different ways.
I wonder if we can't gamify this in some way? Have a flat earth karma type system, where if flat earthers 'like' or approve your posts, you get points and ascend through certain ranks. Ie rewarded for posting the FE answers in a descent way.It's an interesting idea, but I think it needs some polishing. It would be unfair to have just FE'ers approve posts, and I worry that people would over-correct for writing posts that (for example) Rushy likes instead of expressing their actual thoughts. Of course, the other extreme of letting everyone rank posts should also be avoided, or we'll end up like our now-defunct subreddit.
It's a subpar bullet hell game with a generic "my friends are my power!" story.Eh, you're not wrong, but I find that the general atmosphere of the game more than makes up for its shortcomings. Personally, I quite liked it
None of my posts have been deleted or moved, I had a few warnings when I started but nothing for ages.Most moderation action is triggered by user reports (of which I'm told I'm a very substantial part). I haven't been reporting your posts because I believed you just need some encouragement to start behaving. Now that you've stopped improving and are instead ramping your antisocial behaviour up, I'll take the kid gloves off.
It's a good thing you're not a mod on here, you'd be awful.The reason I'm not a mod here is because I stepped down myself. I did a fairly good job. Perhaps I should offer my services again instead of just emptily demanding that someone should do it.
Just because my posts annoy you personally, that doesn't mean I'm not "behaving".That is fundamentally correct, but your claim rests upon a false assumption. I personally don't care what you say about me, but your insistence on bending the rules to pretend you're a reasonable debater are simply disruptive to the forum. There are a small handful (5, I reckon) of RE'ers who are trying to disrupt this place while proposing their own "solutions" to the problem they create. It's an extremely transparent attempt at "forc[ing] a board to be something it isn't" - you can rest assured that I won't allow this to happen.
Well change your rules then, or shut up and get on with it.Amazing, you've done it again. You're responding to my suggestion that the rules should be altered by saying "well change the rules then". It's impressive how often you manage to accidentally say "Do everything Pete is saying but also he's dumb" - it's almost as if you secretly liked me.
We've always had an robust and combative culture here. This isn't a place for snowflakes and feelings. The easily offended leave and you are left with people who will say what they want and to whomever they want, and they wont care about your whinging. It doesn't mean they are bad people, but they don't suffer fools gladly. If you contribute, are either fun to engage, interesting or helpful, you'll find people warm to you. If you play the victim card and complain about how you are treated, no one is going to care. Not the mods, not other users ... no one is going to invest energy into stroking your ego or nurture your desires. You'll get out what you put in.Fundamentally, Thork is spot on here. It doesn't matter how laddish you are, innit bruv, if all you can do is whinge about how we're running our own community wrong, then perhaps you should go and run your own community instead. You'll be much happier that way, and your delicate sensibilities will be catered to... in an extremely laddish way, of course.
The other board I run is for fans of my favourite football (soccer, for you Yanks) team. So most of the people on there support that team. We do have some people on there who don't though, they support other teams. And having them around is a good thing, so long as they behave. They add a different perspective. But if suddenly almost everyone who signed up was a fan of a different team and they started taking over the forum and saying how much my team sucks then that would be a bad thing and I'd have to deal with it. That is what was happening here.Shockingly, your Brownian motions are slowly pushing you towards understanding the issue. A key element of what you said is "so long as they behave". We don't have to get rid of RE'ers, and personally I don't want to; but we do need to make them behave. If that means that some, like yourself, prove to be beyond reform, that's an unfortunate side effect, but perhaps a necessary one.
You're the one who seeks publicity, you seek to gain attention.Incorrect.
Now, some people will sign up and post things like "lol, earth is round, ur stupid". Those people should be banned immediately (not warned). If I was a mod here I wouldn't bother with people like that.I agree.
There are ways of stopping thatPlease don't patronise us. There is absolutely no need to manually approve people on a forum of this size. We already have fairly good technical solutions which rarely fail. The problem isn't that bans are ineffective, but rather that we try to maintain a good balance between free speech and efficient moderation.
Other people, like me, are interested in debating the issues, explaining why (in our opinion) the earth is round and showing why (in our opinion) the flat earth ideas don't stand up to scrutiny.I fundamentally disagree that this is what you're doing. You'd be one of the first people I'd be working on if I still had any moderation powers here. Not an outright ban, probably, but a good vacation in Purgatory would help.
From experience you can't force a board to be something it isn't.Indeed - which is why your suggestions are unlikely to happen.
No-one has so sit here all day replying to posts. This is not that busy a board. It takes 10-15 minutes to look quickly through the threads which have new replies, maybe an hour top to respond. It's not a full time job for anyone, if a few people join in then between you it doesn't take long.I already spend several hours a day working on FET, and I suspect others are in a similar situation. You massively underestimate the amount of work that goes into this, which is unsurprising given your own postings.
Another effort that would straighten out some problems around here, is some sort of quick-access list of what indeed is accepted around here. What people actually collectively believe, what the current FE model is, the current explainations for common RE queries, all that. If we can get everyone on the same page, it'll stop the <thing no flat earther actually believes> nonsense. Maybe get a (some) dedicated moderator(s) to scrub through the wikis and clean it up. If everyone understands , it'll mitigate the misconceptions.Yes, the Wiki needs work. That's in progress. Saying it over and over again won't speed it up. But our RE peanut gallery are keen on directly contradicting the Wiki, quoting forum users out of context to make them look bad, and so on. It is this pattern that we have to address. Personally, I would suggest a temporary ban on RE'ers trying to "help" by answering questions about FET.
I pretty much agree, but FE people will need to make a bit more effort.This is a fantastic example of the misunderstanding we ought to deal with. This is not a personal support forum for RE'ers who are looking for a clash. It is extremely unlikely that you will ever see "more effort" on that front, simply because this has never been the purpose of this community. Largely, we need to focus on getting people like you to understand this, or getting people like you to go away.
. Again, most threads do not follow their expected format.(which honestly isn't well written, you can write a page like that to back up any idea if you word it in the right way). More work on the Wiki?Please stop doing this. I opened this conversation by bringing up the page and saying it needs work. I'm glad you agree, but don't phrase it as a suggestion.