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Re: Trans athletes
« Reply #120 on: June 27, 2021, 11:34:17 PM »
Right. How about no one gets naked in front of other people in public spaces? Locker room nudity has always been weird to me. Change behind a curtain stall or something.

Over sexualization of bodies is sad, but since we're here I'd rather not see a stranger's vagina or penis tbh.

And if we agree to not get naked in front of strangers in shared public spaces, then the locker rooms can be co-ed for all I care.
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« Reply #121 on: June 28, 2021, 12:45:34 AM »
Do transgenders also have a right to expose themselves to little girls in locker rooms?



Exposing yourself sexually to a minor is always a crime. You know that, I hope?

Incorrect. It's generally only a crime if the intent is for sexual gratification.

https://www.hg.org/legal-articles/nudity-and-public-decency-laws-in-america-31193

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(a) A person is guilty of public indecency when he performs any of the following acts in a public place:
(1) An act of sexual intercourse as defined in subdivision (2) of section 53a-65; or
(2) a lewd exposure of the body with intent to arouse or to satisfy the sexual desire of the person; or
(3) a lewd fondling or caress of the body of another person.
For the purposes of this section, “public place” means any place where the conduct may reasonably be expected to be viewed by others.
(b) Public indecency is a class B misdemeanor.

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(a) Any person of the age of 17 years and upwards who performs any of the following acts in a public place commits a public indecency:

(1) An act of sexual penetration or sexual conduct as defined in Section 12-12 of this Code; or

(2) A lewd exposure of the body done with intent to arouse or to satisfy the sexual desire of the person.
Breast-feeding of infants is not an act of public indecency.


(b) “Public place” for purposes of this Section means any place where the conduct may reasonably be expected to be viewed by others.

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(a) Lewd and lascivious behavior is:
(1) Publicly engaging in otherwise lawful sexual intercourse or sodomy with knowledge or reasonable anticipation that the participants are being viewed by others; or

(2) publicly exposing a sex organ or exposing a sex organ in the presence of a person who is not the spouse of the offender and who has not consented thereto, with intent to arouse or gratify the sexual desires of the offender or another.
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« Reply #122 on: June 28, 2021, 01:00:56 AM »
Do transgenders also have a right to expose themselves to little girls in locker rooms?



Exposing yourself sexually to a minor is always a crime. You know that, I hope?

Incorrect. It's generally only a crime if the intent is for sexual gratification.

https://www.hg.org/legal-articles/nudity-and-public-decency-laws-in-america-31193

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(a) A person is guilty of public indecency when he performs any of the following acts in a public place:
(1) An act of sexual intercourse as defined in subdivision (2) of section 53a-65; or
(2) a lewd exposure of the body with intent to arouse or to satisfy the sexual desire of the person; or
(3) a lewd fondling or caress of the body of another person.
For the purposes of this section, “public place” means any place where the conduct may reasonably be expected to be viewed by others.
(b) Public indecency is a class B misdemeanor.

Where are you even trying to go with this one weird example and now ridiculous follow-up?

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« Reply #123 on: June 28, 2021, 01:06:43 AM »
Where are you even trying to go with this one weird example and now ridiculous follow-up?

The rebuttal was simply incorrect. Indecent exposure is generally not a crime unless there is intent for sexual gratification. The claim that it is "always a crime" is incorrect. So there is still the issue of transsexuals legally parading their privates in front of girls in locker rooms.

Even in socialist Canada there is a similar disclaimer:

https://laws-lois.justice.gc.ca/eng/acts/c-46/section-173.html

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173 (1) Everyone who wilfully does an indecent act in a public place in the presence of one or more persons, or in any place with intent to insult or offend any person,

(a) is guilty of an indictable offence and is liable to imprisonment for a term of not more than two years; or

(b) is guilty of an offence punishable on summary conviction.

Exposure

(2) Every person who, in any place, for a sexual purpose, exposes his or her genital organs to a person who is under the age of 16 years

(a) is guilty of an indictable offence and is liable to imprisonment for a term of not more than two years and to a minimum punishment of imprisonment for a term of 90 days; or

(b) is guilty of an offence punishable on summary conviction and is liable to imprisonment for a term of not more than six months and to a minimum punishment of imprisonment for a term of 30 days.
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« Reply #124 on: June 28, 2021, 01:26:22 AM »
So there still the issue of transsexuals legally parading their privates in front of girls in locker rooms.

That's no more of an "issue" for them than it is for non-transgender people. If boys can handle catching an occasional glimpse of a man's dick, I'm sure girls can too.

Also, if anyone is curious about Tom's video but couldn't be bothered to actually watch it, it's literally just a crazy woman yelling at strangers about trans people. That's all there is to it.
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« Reply #125 on: June 28, 2021, 09:57:04 AM »
Where are you even trying to go with this one weird example and now ridiculous follow-up?

The rebuttal was simply incorrect. Indecent exposure is generally not a crime unless there is intent for sexual gratification. The claim that it is "always a crime" is incorrect. So there is still the issue of transsexuals legally parading their privates in front of girls in locker rooms.

Even in socialist Canada there is a similar disclaimer:

https://laws-lois.justice.gc.ca/eng/acts/c-46/section-173.html

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Indecent acts

173 (1) Everyone who wilfully does an indecent act in a public place in the presence of one or more persons, or in any place with intent to insult or offend any person,

(a) is guilty of an indictable offence and is liable to imprisonment for a term of not more than two years; or

(b) is guilty of an offence punishable on summary conviction.

Exposure

(2) Every person who, in any place, for a sexual purpose, exposes his or her genital organs to a person who is under the age of 16 years

(a) is guilty of an indictable offence and is liable to imprisonment for a term of not more than two years and to a minimum punishment of imprisonment for a term of 90 days; or

(b) is guilty of an offence punishable on summary conviction and is liable to imprisonment for a term of not more than six months and to a minimum punishment of imprisonment for a term of 30 days.

I did say exposing themselves sexually. So we agree then. Either this was a crime, just like it would be for every other person, or it wasn’t just like it would be for every other person. Now if you have a philosophical issue with random penis sightings then you should say that. This is largely a non-issue, easily solved like Rooster has already said.
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« Reply #126 on: June 28, 2021, 10:09:41 AM »
Oh, so first you agree that it's wrong by claiming that it's illegal anyway and now your argument has made a 180, and you are suddenly in favor of little girls being exposed to in-person adult male genetalia without their parent's consent, no matter how much women and girls feel personally threatened and unsafe like the complaints in the video. ::)

Many women and girls don't feel safe or comfortable showering or changing around what appears to be nude male strangers. They don't want to be in that situation and feel that it is inappropriate for obvious reasons.

You may as well just cut to the chase and admit that your intention is to argue in favor of trannie rights no matter what loops you need to jump through.
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« Reply #127 on: June 28, 2021, 10:41:42 AM »
Oh, so first you agree that it's wrong by claiming that it's illegal anyway and now your argument has made a 180, and you are suddenly in favor of little girls being exposed to in-person adult male genetalia without their parent's consent, no matter how much women and girls feel personally threatened and unsafe like the complaints in the video. ::)

No. That’s not what I’ve said at all.

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Many women and girls don't feel safe or comfortable changing around what appears to be nude male strangers. They don't want to be in that situation and feel that it is inappropriate for obvious reasons.

True, and as mentioned there are trivial solutions to implement.

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You may as well just cut to the chase and admit that your intention is to argue in favor of trannie rights no matter what loops you need to jump through.

Yes, I am in favor of everyone’s civil rights. Im not the one jumping through hoops. You may want to consider your issues with projection considering you posted a video of a person yelling at a clerk and presented it as slam-dunk evidence of sexual misconduct involving two people not present on screen.
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« Reply #128 on: June 28, 2021, 10:45:04 AM »
True, and as mentioned there are trivial solutions to implement.

So until the gyms rebuild their showers and locker rooms trannies should be banned from showering and changing with women. Glad that's settled.

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« Reply #129 on: June 28, 2021, 11:23:08 AM »
True, and as mentioned there are trivial solutions to implement.


So until the gyms rebuild their showers and locker rooms trannies should be banned from showering and changing with women. Glad that's settled.

It’s amazing you can pack so much shit in to a single sentence. A deliberate epithet to
provoke an emotional response and a non-sequitur. I like that you made up my position right at the end too.

Listen, it’s obvious that trans people are really difficult for you to comprehend and because of that, your survival instincts tell you to reject them. I truly wonder if you have ever had a personal encounter with a transperson. My intuition tells me no and I think humanizing them would go a long way to silencing your inner bigot. Maybe read the Bible, paying attention to the parts where they discuss empathy and acceptance?
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« Reply #130 on: June 28, 2021, 12:24:14 PM »
Maybe read the Bible, paying attention to the parts where they discuss empathy and acceptance?
Can you point out the bit the Bible where it talks about transgenderism for me? I'm looking for maybe a parable where a transgender is protected from a Roman soldier or maybe Jesus preaches to his disciples about how if a man thinks he is a woman then he must be one. Maybe a man gets changed into a woman and gives birth to a baby and that is the first miracle of St Augustine? That kind of thing.

Take your time. Make sure it's a killer quote. The closest I have found is a story about Sodom and Gomorrah and quotes like this
Quote from: Leviticus 18:22
You shall not lie with a male as with a woman; it is an abomination.

I keep ending up back at stoning sexual deviants. There's nothing about enabling their delusions. ¯\_(ツ)_/¯
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« Reply #131 on: June 28, 2021, 12:42:24 PM »
J-dizzle said 'love thy neighbor', not "live thy neighbor, unless you dont agree with their gender identity"

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« Reply #132 on: June 28, 2021, 01:31:22 PM »
J-dizzle said 'love thy neighbor', not "live thy neighbor, unless you dont agree with their gender identity"

WWJD
That's because gender identity isn't a thing. Imagining that you are a woman does not make you one.
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« Reply #133 on: June 28, 2021, 03:14:42 PM »
That's because gender identity isn't a thing. Imagining that you are a woman does not make you one.
What are your thoughts on the brain research I posted a few pages back on the thread? A brain that is structurally and functionally female in a male body doesn't sound like something that "isn't a thing" or is simply someone's imagination.

https://health.clevelandclinic.org/research-on-the-transgender-brain-what-you-should-know/

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« Reply #134 on: June 28, 2021, 03:44:11 PM »
That's because gender identity isn't a thing. Imagining that you are a woman does not make you one.
What are your thoughts on the brain research I posted a few pages back on the thread? A brain that is structurally and functionally female in a male body doesn't sound like something that "isn't a thing" or is simply someone's imagination.

https://health.clevelandclinic.org/research-on-the-transgender-brain-what-you-should-know/
My thoughts are that this is not scientific research and I don't trust any of it. Paid to deliver a particular conclusion or you don't get any more funding type research. And its Psychiatry. Or pontificating would be a more accurate term. Someone's best guess ... and a guess they are going to get professional accreditation for if and only if they come up with the politically correct conclusion. There is no evidence of any wrong brain in body in those results.

I don't need a compromised nose-in-trough hack to tell me how a brain works. That brain is made of cells. And those cells have xy chromosomes in them. Male DNA. And so they react and exhibit male characteristics via gene expression that is positively male. It is hardly a female brain when it is made from male DNA cells. Its just a male brain with psychiatric problems.
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« Reply #135 on: June 28, 2021, 03:48:31 PM »
My thoughts are that this is not scientific research and I don't trust any of it. Paid to deliver a particular conclusion or you don't get any more funding type research.
What are you basing this on?

And its Psychiatry.
Not exclusively. Do you know what an MRI is?

I don't need a compromised nose-in-trough hack to tell me how a brain works. That brain is made of cells. And those cells have xy chromosomes in them. Male DNA. And so they react and exhibit male characteristics via gene expression that is positively male. It is hardly a female brain when it is made from male DNA cells. Its just a male brain with psychiatric problems.
Do you just assume DNA is responsible for all human development? Because it isn't, not by a long shot.
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« Reply #136 on: June 28, 2021, 03:55:55 PM »
My thoughts are that this is not scientific research and I don't trust any of it. Paid to deliver a particular conclusion or you don't get any more funding type research.
What are you basing this on?
You know the answer to that.
He's basing it on the fact that he doesn't agree with its findings.
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« Reply #137 on: June 28, 2021, 04:07:53 PM »
Do you just assume DNA is responsible for all human development? Because it isn't, not by a long shot.
DNA determines all kinds of things like my height, how strong my beard is and it gives me a male pelvis rather than a female one. How does male DNA make a female brain? That's like mixing eggs and flour and expecting a bacon sandwich.
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« Reply #138 on: June 28, 2021, 04:19:01 PM »
Do you just assume DNA is responsible for all human development? Because it isn't, not by a long shot.
DNA determines all kinds of things like my height, how strong my beard is and it gives me a male pelvis rather than a female one. How does male DNA make a female brain? That's like mixing eggs and flour and expecting a bacon sandwich.
It doesn't need to, and it's not the only factor in determining your height either. Did you read what you're replying to before typing out a reply?
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« Reply #139 on: June 28, 2021, 04:35:37 PM »
Do you just assume DNA is responsible for all human development? Because it isn't, not by a long shot.
DNA determines all kinds of things like my height, how strong my beard is and it gives me a male pelvis rather than a female one. How does male DNA make a female brain? That's like mixing eggs and flour and expecting a bacon sandwich.
It doesn't need to, and it's not the only factor in determining your height either. Did you read what you're replying to before typing out a reply?
If you are claiming that there are male and female brains ... then in the same way as you get male and female pelvis' ... a female brain is never going to turn up in a male body.
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