Strong Evidence for Round Earth
« on: December 05, 2014, 03:13:43 PM »
If the earth were indeed flat, with the north pole in the center, and the south "pole" being a circle on the outside of this disk, then would Antartica not be bigger than any continent and circumnavigating Antartica be almost impossible? Don't go claim that all videos of people walking Antartica are fake. Go there and walk yourself.

Ok, let's suppose then the south pole and the north pole is opposite of each other, meaning that the south pole is on the other side of this disk. Then why can you not drill a hole directly from the north pole and the south pole? And what about the sun? Would there be two suns to make the northern "hemisphere" the same heat as the southern "hemisphere"? And if it were like that, what about gravity? As you guys claimed that the earth is accelerating upwards by 9.8 m/s/s, so the water on the southern "hemisphere" should just fall off. So only one side of this flat earth can be used. Then what does the other side contain? And what would you see if you continue to walk south when you arrive Antartica?

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Re: Strong Evidence for Round Earth
« Reply #1 on: December 05, 2014, 03:20:57 PM »
Who walked around Antarctica?  You are very confusing.

Also, you claim that you should be able to drill from the North Pole to the South Pole, when no Flat Earthers have claimed that the South Pole is below the North pole.  With your logic, why has nobody drilled this hole on a round Earth?

And, you seem to be confused, and you are thinking that the sun goes under the flat Earth.  Maybe you could read our FAQ or even the wiki? 

And, finally, why would the water fall off?  Could you please explain? 

Re: Strong Evidence for Round Earth
« Reply #2 on: December 07, 2014, 08:52:07 AM »
Let's ignore my second paragraph. So are you guys saying that the South Pole isn't a pole?

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Re: Strong Evidence for Round Earth
« Reply #3 on: December 07, 2014, 06:28:01 PM »
I suggest you locate and read the FAQ. It will answer many, if not all of your questions.
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Re: Strong Evidence for Round Earth
« Reply #4 on: December 08, 2014, 03:10:50 AM »
Then why can you not drill a hole directly from the north pole and the south pole?[/url]

Yes, you could. The South Pole is technically beneath the North Pole in the Flat Earth model. The magnetic field lines rise and spread out at the North pole and don't intersect with the earth until beyond the Ice Wall (and some parts in the ocean).

The needle of a compass always aligns with the magnetic field lines in its area.

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And what about the sun? Would there be two suns to make the northern "hemisphere" the same heat as the southern "hemisphere"?

The earth is laid out similar to the United Nations logo. The sun is circling clockwise over the earth. The sun's path also changes radius throughout the year to create the seasons. At Summer Solstice the Sun is traveling near the Tropic of Cancer to give the Northern Hemiplane its long days and hot summers and the Southern Hemiplane it's short days and cold winters. At Winter Solstice the sun is traveling near the Tropic of Capricorn to give the Nothern Hemiplane its short days and cold winters and the Southern Hemiplane its long days and hot summers.

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And if it were like that, what about gravity? As you guys claimed that the earth is accelerating upwards by 9.8 m/s/s, so the water on the southern "hemisphere" should just fall off.

The water is contained by the Ice Wall at the coast of Antarctica, like a bowl.

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Then what does the other side contain?

The matter is highly debated. Some believe it to be just rocks. Others question the concept of an "other side".

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And what would you see if you continue to walk south when you arrive Antartica?

This is unknown. Some believe the earth is finite and one would eventually encounter an edge. Others believe the earth is infinite and that we live on an eternal plane which bisects the universe as a fundamental part of its geometry.
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Re: Strong Evidence for Round Earth
« Reply #5 on: December 08, 2014, 05:37:19 AM »
Then why can you not drill a hole directly from the north pole and the south pole?[/url]

Yes, you could. The South Pole is technically beneath the North Pole in the Flat Earth model. The magnetic field lines rise and spread out at the North pole and don't intersect with the earth until beyond the Ice Wall (and some parts in the ocean).

The needle of a compass always aligns with the magnetic field lines in its area.
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Re: Strong Evidence for Round Earth
« Reply #6 on: December 08, 2014, 08:16:13 PM »
If the earth were indeed flat, with the north pole in the center, and the south "pole" being a circle on the outside of this disk, then would Antartica not be bigger than any continent and circumnavigating Antartica be almost impossible? Don't go claim that all videos of people walking Antartica are fake. Go there and walk yourself.

Ok, let's suppose then the south pole and the north pole is opposite of each other, meaning that the south pole is on the other side of this disk. Then why can you not drill a hole directly from the north pole and the south pole? And what about the sun? Would there be two suns to make the northern "hemisphere" the same heat as the southern "hemisphere"? And if it were like that, what about gravity? As you guys claimed that the earth is accelerating upwards by 9.8 m/s/s, so the water on the southern "hemisphere" should just fall off. So only one side of this flat earth can be used. Then what does the other side contain? And what would you see if you continue to walk south when you arrive Antartica?
If you look at the actual travel routes of trans-Antarctican expeditions, it's easy to see that they work just as well on the disc model.  They generally look something like this one:


We all live on one side of the plane, no one knows what is underneath.

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Re: Strong Evidence for Round Earth
« Reply #7 on: December 08, 2014, 09:15:15 PM »
If the earth were indeed flat, with the north pole in the center, and the south "pole" being a circle on the outside of this disk, then would Antartica not be bigger than any continent and circumnavigating Antartica be almost impossible? Don't go claim that all videos of people walking Antartica are fake. Go there and walk yourself.

Ok, let's suppose then the south pole and the north pole is opposite of each other, meaning that the south pole is on the other side of this disk. Then why can you not drill a hole directly from the north pole and the south pole? And what about the sun? Would there be two suns to make the northern "hemisphere" the same heat as the southern "hemisphere"? And if it were like that, what about gravity? As you guys claimed that the earth is accelerating upwards by 9.8 m/s/s, so the water on the southern "hemisphere" should just fall off. So only one side of this flat earth can be used. Then what does the other side contain? And what would you see if you continue to walk south when you arrive Antartica?
If you look at the actual travel routes of trans-Antarctican expeditions, it's easy to see that they work just as well on the disc model.  They generally look something like this one:


We all live on one side of the plane, no one knows what is underneath.

If Antarctica is a ring continent, there is no route that transverses the continent that would be remotely plausible.  It would be a trip measuring tens of thousands of kms.
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Re: Strong Evidence for Round Earth
« Reply #8 on: December 10, 2014, 06:55:58 AM »
If you look at the actual travel routes of trans-Antarctican expeditions, it's easy to see that they work just as well on the disc model.  They generally look something like this one:

We all live on one side of the plane, no one knows what is underneath.

Can you please plot this one on the disc model ?



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Re: Strong Evidence for Round Earth
« Reply #9 on: December 11, 2014, 04:49:37 PM »
Certainly I could, but it likely wouldn't satisfy you as it would appear to be a longer route than the 3473 km figure you cite.  There is zero evidence that this is the actual route taken, and I suspect it was much more like the shorter route I posted.

I can follow this, and I'm not even a supporter of the ring continent model.  It's not that difficult.

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Re: Strong Evidence for Round Earth
« Reply #10 on: December 12, 2014, 07:08:24 AM »
There is zero evidence that this is the actual route taken, and I suspect it was much more like the shorter route I posted.
What leads you to this conclusion ?

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Re: Strong Evidence for Round Earth
« Reply #11 on: December 15, 2014, 03:55:13 PM »
All they are doing is crossing that peninsula sticking off of the Antarctic coast and claiming that they trans-navigated Antactica.

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Re: Strong Evidence for Round Earth
« Reply #12 on: December 16, 2014, 05:51:57 AM »
All they are doing is crossing that peninsula sticking off of the Antarctic coast and claiming that they trans-navigated Antactica.
Ok, so you have now dropped the bipolar flat model ?

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Re: Strong Evidence for Round Earth
« Reply #13 on: December 16, 2014, 02:58:20 PM »
All they are doing is crossing that peninsula sticking off of the Antarctic coast and claiming that they trans-navigated Antactica.

So you think they had trouble with their compasses or that they had no concept of navigation? 
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Re: Strong Evidence for Round Earth
« Reply #14 on: December 16, 2014, 05:19:03 PM »
All they are doing is crossing that peninsula sticking off of the Antarctic coast and claiming that they trans-navigated Antactica.
Ok, so you have now dropped the bipolar flat model ?

My explanation applies to either model.

All they are doing is crossing that peninsula sticking off of the Antarctic coast and claiming that they trans-navigated Antactica.

So you think they had trouble with their compasses or that they had no concept of navigation? 

Actually, the compass doesn't work in the entire Antarctic circle... or the Arctic circle for that matter. The magnetic field lines become more and more vertical at those latitudes. Eventually you need a special swivel compass, but even that takes you so far. At the latitude of Seattle, Washington, a normal compass is already scraping against the floor of its enclosure. It is actually only a narrow strip of land where the magnetic compass works, where the majority of the population lives.

See: http://www.madsci.org/posts/archives/aug98/899130154.Es.r.html

Travel to Antarctica would have been done by another method, such as by the stars. But more than likely they are following the markers of early famous explorers from the early 1900's who claimed to have found the geographic south pole, whose structures still stand.
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« Reply #15 on: December 16, 2014, 08:34:40 PM »

Actually, the compass doesn't work in the entire Antarctic circle... or the Arctic circle for that matter.The magnetic field lines become more and more vertical at those latitudes. Eventually you need a special swivel compass, but even that takes you so far. At the latitude of Seattle, Washington, a normal compass is already scraping against the floor of its enclosure. It is actually only a narrow strip of land where the magnetic compass works, where the majority of the population lives.

See: http://www.madsci.org/posts/archives/aug98/899130154.Es.r.html

That link says that there are compasses that work that far north and south.  You think people traveling, even to a peninsula of antartica were not equipped properly?

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Travel to Antarctica would have been done by another method, such as by the stars. But more than likely they are following the markers of early famous explorers from the early 1900's who claimed to have found the geographic south pole, whose structures still stand.

Citation required.  It seems more logical that an expedition would check it's position against multiple navigation markers to ensure that they are where they think they are.
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Re: Strong Evidence for Round Earth
« Reply #16 on: December 20, 2014, 11:11:13 PM »
That link says that there are compasses that work that far north and south.  You think people traveling, even to a peninsula of antartica were not equipped properly?

There are swivel compasses that will take you a little further, where the needle is on a little bendable axle, but at a certain point the magnetic field lines point nearly straight down. There is no compass needle that can defy 'gravity'.

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Citation required.  It seems more logical that an expedition would check it's position against multiple navigation markers to ensure that they are where they think they are.

If you landed on the Antarctic coast and followed signs that said "South Pole This Way," I doubt you would feel the need to double and triple reference your path against a plethora of navigating instruments. And if you did, and found some kind of discrepancy, you would likely brush it off as an interesting curiosity.
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Re: Strong Evidence for Round Earth
« Reply #17 on: December 20, 2014, 11:42:35 PM »
I completely disagree. If my goal was to transverse the South Pole exactly I would be extremely careful to make sure I had done so. This is of course granting the idea that there are signs saying "South Pole that way".

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« Reply #18 on: December 21, 2014, 11:11:32 PM »
What would be the thickness of your flat earth ? Do you disprove the experiments that show the intern structure of the Earth ? (Prem model)

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« Reply #19 on: December 28, 2014, 07:01:00 PM »
I completely disagree. If my goal was to transverse the South Pole exactly I would be extremely careful to make sure I had done so. This is of course granting the idea that there are signs saying "South Pole that way".

But the explorers you are referencing do not have the benefit of being you. They had no question in their mind that the earth was a globe. That's what they were taught. They followed the signs, they followed the path others before them have taken from one coastal antarctic port to the other. Compasses don't work there. Without a question that the earth is a globe and that they are truly circumnavigating Antarctica, and not a peninsula, they would have no need to be "extremely careful" to make sure that they had circumnavigated Antarctica to prove it was a continent.
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