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Re: Coronavirus Vaccine and You
« Reply #940 on: September 23, 2021, 03:01:25 PM »
The lack of labor protection in the US is certainly not the fault of the vaccine. Your treatment of labor down there is disgusting. It’s only marginally better up here. However, you seem to be under the misapprehension that employment is a fundamental right, which it isn’t. If you want to participate in social transactions you don’t always get to do it on exactly your terms. That one of the terms is that you aren’t an eminent public health risk is incredibly reasonable, especially as COVID is claiming more lives than cancer daily. Ultimately, this isn’t a problem since the vaccine is safe and efficient. Stop whining, stop calling people nazis, roll up your sleeve and get immune, bitch.
The true DEMOCRATIC NATIONAL SOCIALIST further displaying his open hypocrisy.

Your advocacy for Malthusian economics is deplorable.
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« Reply #941 on: September 23, 2021, 04:10:02 PM »
Ok, thats it.  I'm calling for you to be removed and out into a camp, Lackey.  Please be on the lookout for three police officers.  Your crime will be.... Reckless endangerment of children.
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Re: Coronavirus Vaccine and You
« Reply #942 on: September 23, 2021, 04:12:16 PM »
The lack of labor protection in the US is certainly not the fault of the vaccine. Your treatment of labor down there is disgusting. It’s only marginally better up here. However, you seem to be under the misapprehension that employment is a fundamental right, which it isn’t. If you want to participate in social transactions you don’t always get to do it on exactly your terms. That one of the terms is that you aren’t an eminent public health risk is incredibly reasonable, especially as COVID is claiming more lives than cancer daily. Ultimately, this isn’t a problem since the vaccine is safe and efficient. Stop whining, stop calling people nazis, roll up your sleeve and get immune, bitch.
The true DEMOCRATIC NATIONAL SOCIALIST further displaying his open hypocrisy.

Your advocacy for Malthusian economics is deplorable.

Uhhh, when have I mentioned anything to do with population control? I’m just saying there is always a social contract and that being an eminent public health risk contravenes that in the present times. Break the contract and don’t expect to gain full benefit from society.

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« Reply #943 on: September 23, 2021, 06:02:03 PM »
Ha ha, one of Lackey's puppet masters must have suggested just screaming NAZI! when talking about the vaccine but unable to come up with a reasonable argument. What a good little puppet he is.
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Re: Coronavirus Vaccine and You
« Reply #944 on: September 23, 2021, 07:14:09 PM »
Prior to Covid some scholars have noted that genocide historically seems to go through certain stages - search 'stages of genocide'. In relation to Covid, if this were an event leading up to genocide, it is interesting that that a few countries seem to be approaching stage 7:

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Re: Coronavirus Vaccine and You
« Reply #945 on: September 23, 2021, 07:17:53 PM »
Prior to Covid scholars have noted that genocide historically seems to go through certain stages - search 'stages of genocide'. In relation to Covid, if this were an event leading up to genocide, it is interesting that that a number of countries seem to be approaching stage 7:

The group to put you in is classified as "hysterical cry baby".  Take your medicine and rest easy knowing it's safe, efficient, free and good for your fellow humans.

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« Reply #946 on: September 23, 2021, 07:21:55 PM »
Prior to Covid some scholars have noted that genocide historically seems to go through certain stages - search 'stages of genocide'. In relation to Covid, if this were an event leading up to genocide, it is interesting that that a few countries seem to be approaching stage 7:



You didn't notice that conservatives and conservative media have launched all seven steps against homosexuals, liberals, immigrants, skateboarders, potheads, and anyone else they don't like.
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« Reply #947 on: September 23, 2021, 07:28:41 PM »
You didn't notice that conservatives and conservative media have launched all seven steps against homosexuals, liberals, immigrants, skateboarders, potheads, and anyone else they don't like.

It is possible that there are some people who want extermination of liberals and gays. They don't have the power to do it though. Governments, however, do have the power to commit genocide.
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« Reply #948 on: September 23, 2021, 07:32:25 PM »
Prior to Covid some scholars have noted that genocide historically seems to go through certain stages - search 'stages of genocide'. In relation to Covid, if this were an event leading up to genocide, it is interesting that that a few countries seem to be approaching stage 7:

Apparently the guy and org that came up with the 10 stages your referenced are super pissed-off that people are actually applying it erroneously to Covid.

GENOCIDE WATCH REJECTS CONSPIRACY THEORIES ABOUT COVID-19 VACCINES

Genocide Watch Rejects Henna Maria's Misuse of the "Ten Stages of Genocide"

Dr. Gregory Stanton and Genocide Watch reject the misuse of Dr. Stanton’s “10 Stages of Genocide” by Henna Maria of the so-called "Dawn of Peace." In a video published online, Henna Maria applies the "10 Stages of Genocide" to her preposterous conspiracy theory.
She says that the Covid-19 pandemic is a hoax and vaccination is really a genocidal plot against people who believe in “medical freedom” and “self-healing.” The intended victims of this "genocide" include people who deny that Covid-19 is real and people who refuse to wear masks.
Dr. Stanton developed the “10 Stages” model to make processes that result in genocide recognizable. His hope is that early recognition will help prevent or halt genocide.
In order for a genocide to develop there must a real conspiracy to commit acts of genocide. Henna Maria's "conspiracy" is entirely imaginary. It is a product of her anti-Vaxxer ideology...

...Genocide Watch condemns Henna Maria's anti-Vaxxer falsehoods about vaccines. Genocide Watch condemns Henna Maria's illegitimate use of the "Ten Stages of Genocide." We demand that Henna Maria remove her video from all websites where it appears. We demand that she cease and desist from mis-using the Ten Stages of Genocide model in the future.


https://www.genocidewatch.com/single-post/genocide-watch-rejects-conspiracy-theories-about-covid-19-vaccines


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Re: Coronavirus Vaccine and You
« Reply #949 on: September 23, 2021, 07:37:04 PM »
"In order for a genocide to develop there must a real conspiracy to commit acts of genocide" is a pretty weak rebuttal. Nazi Germany or the Armenians didn't declare that they had a conspiracy to commit genocide before it occurred. A lot of their populous saw them as the good guys leading up to it. The author of that article doesn't even deny that the steps have been fulfilled so far.

States are telling hospitals that they can let the unvaccinated die now and no longer need to treat them equally; official approval:

https://www.washingtonpost.com/nation/2021/09/22/covid-delta-variant-live-updates/

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« Reply #950 on: September 23, 2021, 07:47:28 PM »
You didn't notice that conservatives and conservative media have launched all seven steps against homosexuals, liberals, immigrants, skateboarders, potheads, and anyone else they don't like.

It is possible that there are some people who want extermination of liberals and gays. They don't have the power to do it though. Governments, however, do have the power to commit genocide.

Those right-wing freaks are trying to seize control of our government. We are going to stop them.
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« Reply #951 on: September 23, 2021, 08:23:37 PM »
Interesting. Let me know when people have started preventing liberals and gays from buying food at supermarkets.

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« Reply #952 on: September 23, 2021, 08:31:08 PM »
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« Reply #953 on: September 23, 2021, 08:36:21 PM »
"In order for a genocide to develop there must a real conspiracy to commit acts of genocide" is a pretty weak rebuttal. Nazi Germany or the Armenians didn't declare that they had a conspiracy to commit genocide before it occurred. A lot of their populous saw them as the good guys leading up to it. The author of that article doesn't even deny that the steps have been fulfilled so far.

The quote says that there must be a real conspiracy. Then you are saying that a conspiracy has to be "declared". Where is this "declared" coming from?

States are telling hospitals that they can let the unvaccinated die now and no longer need to treat them equally; official approval:

https://www.washingtonpost.com/nation/2021/09/22/covid-delta-variant-live-updates/



So what you're saying is that the unvaccinated are less likely to survive than the vaccinated?

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« Reply #954 on: September 23, 2021, 08:49:17 PM »
The countries in the past didn't openly declare their intentions of genocide in the years and months leading up to it. The person is ignorant of history. It is possible that some countries which committed genocide didn't even intend it or premeditate it and it just happened as the persecution gained momentum. The author does not account for that possibility either.

https://www.bbc.com/news/world-europe-16352745



A number of scholars argue that it is possible that genocides that were not premeditated and that it just happened.

If some countries aren't letting people shop in shopping centers and other countries are letting unvaccinated people die in hospitals and are building Covid quarantine camps it's obvious that they don't really care too much about the lives of unvaccinated.

Can you promise that they will stop tomorrow and that it's not going to escalate?

Again, the steps have been fulfilled so far and it isn't even denied. Your rebuttal is that someone random you plucked from a website on the internet doesn't think so, as if genocides are always premeditated as a "plot" or are openly expressed.
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« Reply #955 on: September 23, 2021, 09:13:47 PM »
The countries in the past didn't openly declare their intentions of genocide in the years and months leading up to it. The person is ignorant of history. It is possible that some countries which committed genocide didn't even intend it or premeditate it and it just happened as the persecution gained momentum. The author does not account for that possibility either.

Like I said, there's nothing about having to "declare" anything. I'm not sure where you are getting that from.

If some countries aren't letting people shop in shopping centers and other countries are letting unvaccinated people die in hospitals and are building Covid quarantine camps it's obvious that they don't really care too much about the lives of unvaccinated.

Who is letting unvaccinated people die in quarantine camps?

Can you promise that they will stop tomorrow and that it's not going to escalate?

Is the Alaska triage thing built on "Are you vaccinated or not"? Or is their triage built upon how bad off a patient is in their current state?

Again, the steps have been fulfilled so far and it isn't even denied. Your rebuttal is that someone random you plucked from a website on the internet doesn't think so, as if genocides are always premeditated as a "plot" or are openly expressed.

It's not really someone random. It's the actual guy who devised the Ten Stages of Genocide you referenced.

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« Reply #956 on: September 23, 2021, 09:26:49 PM »
Is he endorsing that article? That's even worse. The person who is recognized for it isn't even denying that the steps are being fulfilled and questions if there is a known 'plot'. Scary.

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Like I said, there's nothing about having to "declare" anything. I'm not sure where you are getting that from.

Right, it isn't necessary for people to know about it for it to happen.

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Is the Alaska triage thing built on "Are you vaccinated or not"? Or is their triage built upon how bad off a patient is in their current state?

Maybe read the article. It's a response to Covid. The law changes equal treatment and leaves it up to the health provider. If the health provider thinks that a vaccinated person is at less risk than an unvaccinated person he is free to let the unvaccinated person die now.
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« Reply #957 on: September 23, 2021, 09:48:04 PM »
The other state to implement this 'crisis standards of care' was Idaho. They directly cite the unvaccinated:

https://coronavirus.idaho.gov/wp-content/uploads/2021/09/CSC-Declaration.pdf


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« Reply #958 on: September 23, 2021, 09:48:46 PM »
Is he endorsing that article? That's even worse. The person who is recognized for it isn't even denying that the steps are being fulfilled and questions if there is a known 'plot'. Scary.

He came up with the stages:

Gregory H. Stanton is the former Research Professor in Genocide Studies and Prevention at the George Mason University in Fairfax County, Virginia, United States. He is best known for his work in the area of genocide studies. He is the founder and president of Genocide Watch,[1] the founder and director of the Cambodian Genocide Project,[2][3] and the Chair of the Alliance Against Genocide. From 2007 to 2009 he was the President of the International Association of Genocide Scholars.

He seems far more accomplished in the field of Genocide studies than you do.

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Is the Alaska triage thing built on "Are you vaccinated or not"? Or is their triage built upon how bad off a patient is in their current state?

Maybe read the article. It's a response to Covid. If a doctor thinks that a vaccinated person is at less risk than an unvaccinated person he is free to let the unvaccinated person die now.

I did read the article. Where does it say, "If a doctor thinks that a vaccinated person is at less risk than an unvaccinated person he is free to let the unvaccinated person die now." I couldn't seem to find that or anything like it anywhere.

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« Reply #959 on: September 23, 2021, 10:20:08 PM »
Interesting. Let me know when people have started preventing liberals and gays from buying food at supermarkets.

Nice propaganda. There is no law in France banning people from buying food or water. They are not allowed to enter malls. Some malls have groceries. Stop with the hysteria.