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Flat Earth Theory / Re: Creation

« on: October 09, 2020, 03:04:32 PM »

Hello again Pete. Thanks for taking the time to reply.

Can I just pick you up on a couple of things from your last reply.

I reject this analogy. It presumes that the Earth, much like a car, was purpose-made and designed by an intelligent being. This presumption is unfounded, and unverifiable.

I agree with your sentiment here, but not your reasoning. The analogy doesn't care whether the Earth was created by design (which I don't believe) or by natural processes. It was however created by something. You have to admit that. Understanding that process will undoubtedly give you more information on which to strengthen your understanding of your other theories.

And asking us to answer the unanswerable seems like you're trying to spin a narrartive

Pshaw! When I asked the question, I had no idea it was unanswerable. As I said at the beginning I have no agenda other than to understand the thinking behind any theories that describe the creation of the flat Earth system by natural processes. If you're telling me there aren't any, then that's my answer.

Your expectation that we'll prioritise your difficult question

It's not my difficult question, it's a/the most important* difficult question. (* delete as applicable)

suggests that you either view the question as special, or you view yourself as special.

I am special. My parents even sent me to a special school 

Seriously, I do appreciate your engagement in this thread, but I don't want to risk the ire of the group by pushing it any further. I think I understand now where at least some of this group is on the subject and I shall leave slightly disappointed, but also slightly better informed.

Thanks.

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Flat Earth Theory / Re: Creation

« on: October 09, 2020, 12:57:41 PM »

Thanks Pete. That's a very interesting answer. If I may just risk inflaming your impatience a little further.

Firstly, I can clarify that I did read the FAQs, none of which dealt with creation so I thought 'I know, I'll post a question in Flat Earth Theory, that'll be a good place to ask about a theory relating to flat Earth'.

As to religion, I read that bit you quoted. Religion answers all questions without the need for any debate which is a tad boring, and that's why my question was more focused towards any flat Earth theories dealing with creation caused by natural processes.

To suggest it's not in the interest of this group to discuss creation seems a bit counter-intuitive for a bunch of people trying to understand the fundamental workings of a flat Earth system.

I appreciate that you don't need to know how a car was made to be able to noodle around in the engine compartment and figure out what things do, but I'm sure those who understand the design and build processes have a much easier time understanding the physics of it all than some bloke with just the one O level in woodwork.

In other words, figuring out the creation process (using real measurements and science and stuff rather than relying on the speculation you speak of) would probably go a long way towards proving, or otherwise, some of the other theories floating about. Could save you all a good deal of time and typing.

Still, it's your playground I guess and you can choose the rules of the game. Avoiding difficult questions though does seem a teensy bit defeatist.

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Flat Earth Theory / Re: Creation

« on: October 08, 2020, 12:39:51 PM »

Based on the deathly silence this subject is eliciting, I am drawn to conclude several possibilities:

1. Everyone is willing to accept that a god designed the whole system. In which case all the other scientific discussions on these boards are meaningless because, well, god does it, QED. Might as well go home now chaps we've sorted it.

2. There are no theories at all that endeavour to explain the creation of the FE system using only natural processes. In which case there is a mahoosive elephant in the room, guys, the sphericals have science answers, you don't. I can't believe this is the case. Too may bright brains here for that.

3. Everyone is scratching their boll heads right now trying to come up with an answer, because well, we never thought to consider it before. I don't buy this either.

5. Noob member isn't worthy of an answer. Possible, having experienced many a cliquey chat forum in the past. I hope this isn't it.

4. Late as always.

There are lots of science based discussions on these boards about the fine detail of all sorts of minutiae to do with everything from weather patterns to whether water spins in different directions in different parts of the world, but nada on the most fundamental question of all...how did it all begin?

That's a bit disappointing really.

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Flat Earth Theory / Re: Round Earthers and eclipses

« on: October 08, 2020, 09:13:39 AM »

And under FE the size of the Sun and Moon being equal would need to be a coincidence too.

Unless the FE system was created by intelligent design. This goes back to my question (which nobody seems to want to pick up) as to whether there can be any explanation for the FE system's creation by any natural processes that don't involve a god or intelligent designer.

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Flat Earth Theory / Re: Creation

« on: October 06, 2020, 08:04:44 AM »

Thanks Tom. I'm not here to poke sticks at anyone's beliefs, there's enough of that sort of nonsense on 'social' media.

To state my position, I am a non religious traditional globular earth believer. I say believer because I can't personally prove one way or the other, I'm not a scientist or mathematician. And, as I said, I'm not here to do down anyone else's beliefs.

I accept that for religious types a creator can create creation in any way he or she sees fit and that the majority of creation stories don't specify the shape of the world being created, so a flat Earth is entirely possible if you believe in intelligent design.

Secular science seems to have robust and plausible explanations for the shape, size and make up of the 'traditional' solar system as well as the wider universe (subsequent to the Big Bang at any rate), and I am interested to know how the complex flat Earth system can be explained through natural processes and without intelligent design.

There is a great deal of detail given on this site, and elsewhere, to the natural processes governing the flat Earth system as it exists now, however not having a solid explanation for how such a conveniently laid out system could come into existence under natural processes, seems to leave a rather large and significant gap in the understanding. Without this, I find it very difficult to understand how it's possible to separate flat Earth theory from intelligent design.

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Flat Earth Theory / Creation

« on: October 05, 2020, 10:10:59 AM »

Hello,

Please forgive the noob questions but I couldn't find this subject being covered in any depth on the site. (Please point me to it if I missed it).

What is the accepted creation theory for a flat Earth? How did it come into being and how was the solar system ordered so precisely to be beneficial to the flat Earth?

Does the flat Earth theory insist upon a conscious creator, a god or gods or is there a more secular, scientific explanation that describes the creation of the flat Earth system?

Thank you.

AR