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##### Flat Earth Theory / Re: What happens when I fly west on the wiki map?
« on: June 05, 2021, 03:19:48 PM »
Suppose you are in an airplane flying at 50,000 feet at the equator on a clear night. The plane has a compass, a gyrocompass, gps, inertial navigation, and a device on each side for determining the direction of a star. You line up carefully so my direction is 270, the compass and gyrocompass say you are going west, and you sight on the north star out one side window and the southern cross from the other side at 90 degrees from your direction of travel (they will be visible just above the horizon). After 15 hours at 500 mph, 7500 mi west of your starting point.

Where will I be if:

I keep the southern cross at 90 degrees and ignore everything else?
I keep the north star at 90 degrees and ignore everything else?
If the southern cross and north star and southern cross are both kept at 90 degrees?

We know the north star is directly over the north pole. Where is the southern cross? Is it directly south of my starting point?

Now let;s try 2 planes flying opposite directions, one at 90 (directly east), the other at 270 (directly west). Both planes will be able to keep the north star at 90 degrees, but what happens to the southern cross? can they both keep it at 90 degrees as they travel? At 15,000 miles distance between the planes, what will be the angles of the north star and southern cross?

A diagram of where the two planes are and where the southern cross is would be nice.

RET predicts that both planes can keep north star and southern cross at 90 degrees, compass, gyro, inertial, and gps will all match up. What does FET predict?
RET makes no predictions about planes flying at 50,000 feet.

No one here will ever be in a plane flying at 50,000 feet.

What is the matter with you?

Several private jets fly at 51k feet.  Citation X for example.

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##### Science & Alternative Science / Re: Are we going to just ignore the aliens, then?
« on: June 02, 2021, 04:23:21 PM »
What kind of a conspiracy website is this?

I was patiently waiting for someone else to broach the delicate subject of the US using the Covid distraction to casually mention that there are aliens and release some footage of them.

Does anyone have any suggestions as to what these things might be if not aliens?
Does anyone care that aliens seem to be visiting at will?
Have we all just accepted aliens a long time ago and this is just run of the mill alien business?

I know right...  This would have been front-page news every day if it happened 20 years ago.

No idea what they are, I had some sightings when I was young.

Interstellar travelers?
Time travelers?
Interdimensional travelers?

All seem pretty far fetched but none more than the others.

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##### Flat Earth Theory / Re: Islam and Flat Earth
« on: May 24, 2021, 02:56:38 PM »
Alaikum Salaam.

Fact is undeniable; belief is personal.  I respect fact, and I respect everyone's belief.

Think on this; whatever one believes, the word of God has always been transcribed by man, including the Prophet (Peace be upon Him).

The Word of God may be infallible, but can we believe the word of man?

Or we could say that primitive man decided to explain natural phenomena as gods work and a way to not fear death.   It didn't take long to figure out that there is huge power in exploiting weak-minded believers.  Sex, money, and power.  The universal trifecta of religion.

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##### Flat Earth Theory / Re: Islam and Flat Earth
« on: May 18, 2021, 08:04:24 PM »

Regardless of what might get taught in Islamic schools by teachers, the Islamic governments seem to be heavily invested in space programs of their own.

Saudi Arabia's Space Commission: https://saudispace.gov.sa/en/home/ Notably, two years ago the Saudi Arabsat television satellite was the payload aboard a SpaceX launch.

The Saudis don't do anything without checking their Muslim bosses.

Game, set, match.

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##### Flat Earth Investigations / Re: Proof positive the earth is flat
« on: May 18, 2021, 07:35:17 PM »
Thank you for the CGI and none coming up from horizon. We've all been outdoors at night and none EVER to straight up from the distance horizon.

So the rule is... if you cant understand it, it must be fake?

Got it

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##### Flat Earth Theory / Re: How to make an FE map with accurate distances
« on: May 12, 2021, 03:20:45 PM »
Your assumed distances are fallacious for a few reasons:

- People aren't walking across the oceans
- Planes use jet streams to reach far off locations
- The calculated of speed is s = d/t and requires a known distance. Distances are fundamentally in contention in this discussion

The translation to a FE model may be attributable to a number of possibilities. For example; if the outer edges of the FE celestial system are moving at a quicker speed over the Earth like the outer extremities of a record on a record player, then it stands that the upper atmosphere may be as well. A plane traveling in a high region of atmosphere may move faster in certain regions of the Earth than another.

And indeed, the winds are said to be anomalous in the South - https://wiki.tfes.org/Issues_in_Flight_Analysis

Please show a paper by a scientist that shows what you said to be true.

That page contain almost nothing except quotes and citations from contemporary sources. Feel free to go through them.

Yet not a single quote says anything that changes the fact that distances are known and flight times are predictable save one that talks about ground and taxi time.

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##### Flat Earth Theory / Re: How to make an FE map with accurate distances
« on: May 11, 2021, 06:42:55 PM »
Your assumed distances are fallacious for a few reasons:

- People aren't walking across the oceans
- Planes use jet streams to reach far off locations
- The calculated of speed is s = d/t and requires a known distance. Distances are fundamentally in contention in this discussion

The translation to a FE model may be attributable to a number of possibilities. For example; if the outer edges of the FE celestial system are moving at a quicker speed over the Earth like the outer extremities of a record on a record player, then it stands that the upper atmosphere may be as well. A plane traveling in a high region of atmosphere may move faster in certain regions of the Earth than another.

And indeed, the winds are said to be anomalous in the South - https://wiki.tfes.org/Issues_in_Flight_Analysis

Please show a paper by a scientist that shows what you said to be true.

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##### Flat Earth Theory / Re: More UA and planes
« on: May 10, 2021, 06:17:19 PM »
I can only assume that as the air is being pushed up by the ground so the airplane is being pushed up by the air.

Yup, that makes sense, even though it seems like level flight it's still being pushed up.

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##### Flat Earth Theory / More UA and planes
« on: May 10, 2021, 04:48:57 PM »

A while back I was questioning freefall experiences and Tom Bishop gave an answer that worked logically if UA was a thing.   2 current threads on UA got me thinking again and I have a new question. but first, some background as I think I know it.

The air is not pushed up by UA but by the ground compressing the air. A plane flies the same way in FE as it does in RE...   Lift created by the wings.

New question...  if UA does not push the air and the plane flies via lift then why is everything in a plane not weightless?

We are only stuck to the ground in UA because the ground is pushing up.  In a plane, there would be nothing to push up the floor and therefore we would experience weightlessness.

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##### Flat Earth Theory / Re: Isostasy
« on: May 10, 2021, 03:41:42 PM »
I'll ask for a third time; can you actually put up two quotes side by side, one from the geologist in the Wiki and another from another geologist and show a statement which is directly contradicted by another?

It appears that you can't do that. Since you can't do that I don't see what more there is to discuss on this.

That's a great rule, any time someone makes a claim they have to put up quotes from scientists.   Let's start with UA...  Go

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##### Flat Earth Theory / Re: How to make an FE map with accurate distances
« on: April 26, 2021, 07:30:11 PM »
Your assumed distances are fallacious for a few reasons:

- People aren't walking across the oceans
- Planes use jet streams to reach far off locations
- The calculated of speed is s = d/t and requires a known distance. Distances are fundamentally in contention in this discussion
You can contend that distances at sea are not known all you want, but that is completely wrong.  What are your qualifications for making a statement like that?  If your qualifications were sufficient then your contentions must be just for trolling purposes.  Without sufficient navigational experience & qualifications your contentions are irrelevant and should be considered shit posting.  I can make this statement from the point of view of an experienced navigator with lots of time at sea working on ships and as pilot in command of aircraft.  Celestial navigation works well when weather conditions are right but GPS works even better under just about all conditions.  Modern ships & airplanes use GPS and the positions and distances measured are very accurate.  If they were not then ships could and would run aground while navigating in foggy conditions.  I can well remember leaving San Francisco in very foggy conditions and navigating under the Golden Gate bridge in fog so thick that we didn't see the bridge until we were directly under it on a ship that was nearly 1000 feet long.  The bottom line is that there can be no doubt about the measured distances anywhere in the world.  Please supply any verifiable evidence you have that could refute my contentions. If those contentions can be verified then you would be doing a great service to the maritime industry that depends on very accurate positions and distances to operate huge ships.

Tom has been singing that same song as long as I have been here.  Silly as it is, he uses it to disarm any and all threads that talk about how simple a map is to make with known distances.

Let's not forget his famous "The distance from New York to Paris is not known"

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##### Philosophy, Religion & Society / Re: Biden's Broadband plan
« on: April 21, 2021, 05:42:49 PM »
Is this a trap?

Let's agree that this is a ground based communication system like LORAN and that the earth is flat. Then we can talk about the method of communication.

Since I can see Starlink sats with my own eyes I must disagree.

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##### Philosophy, Religion & Society / Biden's Broadband plan
« on: April 21, 2021, 03:24:31 PM »

I saw an article this morning about the planned rural broadband plan, a great idea but dated. Cost of 150 Billion. When StarLink is in full deployment, there will be no need to run fiber everywhere.

According to a Federal Communications Commission (FCC) December 2018 Internet Access Services report, 44 million households do not even have a standard broadband connection, either because they do not have access or can't afford it.

22 billion would buy every one of them a Starlink package and the government could help out with the monthly nut for those needing it. Of course, not all of them need the handout but some do.

Boom, saved 128 billion minimum.

Thoughts?

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##### Philosophy, Religion & Society / Re: Terrible Political Memes
« on: March 04, 2021, 07:30:31 PM »

At least the right has a sense of humor

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##### Philosophy, Religion & Society / Re: Terrible Political Memes
« on: March 04, 2021, 07:29:31 PM »

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##### Philosophy, Religion & Society / Re: Terrible Political Memes
« on: February 05, 2021, 04:49:06 PM »

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##### Philosophy, Religion & Society / Re: Terrible Political Memes
« on: February 03, 2021, 10:51:05 PM »

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##### Philosophy, Religion & Society / Re: Earth Flood and Flat Earth
« on: February 02, 2021, 08:06:52 PM »
Hi..
Its my first post here, I hope to enrich and enriched from you also.

We all heard about the flood that covered the whole earth. Was it on flat earth or rounded one?

If it was on flat earth,then we should believe that something blocked it from leaking outside as the ice mountains or other barriers.

It it was rounded then there the gravity theory has controlled water around the world so strictly.

As a Muslim many Muslim scholar talked about that saying that it was rounded. Some may said else.  We also believe that there is above Kaaba in Makkah there is a place in sky called "Albiet Maamoor". and that mean in my perspective one of four:
- the earth is flat and "Albiet Maamoor" is above it.
-The earth is rounded but not moving. So this place is above it as well.
- The earth is moving with the sky also and that may corrupt many theories and have to be studied beyond our minds.
- There is something else we cant study it.

These are some verses from Holy Quran talk about Noah (peace be upon him) flood.

Hey try not to combine myths

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##### Philosophy, Religion & Society / Re: Terrible Political Memes
« on: February 02, 2021, 08:06:01 PM »

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##### Philosophy, Religion & Society / Re: Question about reacting to news that your world view was wrong
« on: January 26, 2021, 04:53:54 PM »
There are groups of people (you need a group, one alone would just look crazy) who believe in large, powerful, and yet perfectly secret (in the sense that no one can find evidence sufficient to convince the general public). Sometimes, these groups are confronted with news that makes their beliefs clearly wrong.

Examples:

Jehovah's Witness founder predicted the end of the world, several times. Spoiler alert, it didn't end. Yet there are millions of Jehovah's Witnesses.

The guy on "Behind the Curve" who got a ring laser gyroscope and watched it precess by 15 degrees per hour, even after he put it in a Faraday cage. Yet there remain FEs.

Q predicted that Trump was working with Mueller to bring down the democrat/hollywood pedophile/cannibal ring, and that a storm would happen, democrats arrested and Trump remaining president. To my knowledge, Q never made a successful prediction, nor was there any evidence that any prediction was ever true nor that Q was actually who he said he was.

What is this system of thinking where you become convinced of something, see real world evidence that it is not true, and yet insist ever more emphatically that it is still true?

Given this testament to faith, and the explanatory powers of changing the laws of physics and giant, multi-generational, yet perfectly secret conspiracies, is there any idea that can be disproven?

I have been warned about off topic posting. I will be watching for that on this thread, as my only question, the OP topic, is: "How can groups of people maintain faith with valid evidence against and none for?"

I am just a poor boy
Though my story's seldom told
I have squandered my resistance
For a pocketful of mumbles
Such are promises
All lies and jest
Still, a man hears what he wants to hear
And disregards the rest

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