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Philosophy, Religion & Society / Re: Trump

« on: March 20, 2025, 02:43:49 PM »

Uh huh. So these harmless tourists just happened to be in Washington. They just happened to be near the Capitol. They just happened to be devoted Trump fans, like everyone else who had entered the Capitol. This just happened to be on the day that Congress was set to certify Trump's loss to Biden, the same day that Trump himself had focused on and asked his supporters to be in Washington for. This just happened to be directly following a speech from Trump in which he urged his supporters to march on the Capitol to protest Congress certifying his loss.

Correct. Trump told them to march peacefully, and that is what the majority of them did. It is a minority of people who acted with violence.

In this video from Daily Caller titled "Trump Supporters Stop Two Men From Smashing Windows At The Capitol" we see someone trying to break a window and people in the crowd screaming to "Get him out of here" and "We don't break s***". The man was pulled away. At the 36 second mark we see another man to break the window, and he was also pulled away, with the crowd screaming "Stop!" and "Whoever is breaking s*** is not with us" and "F*** Antifa" and "You don't have the right to use violence".

You would have to be extremely gullible to buy this story. But for the sake of argument, fine, let's accept that some of these protesters were hapless bystanders. You're still arguing from the perspective of trying to prove exceptions to the rule, rather than trying to overturn the principal facts of what we all saw that day.

It's not the exception to the rule, it is the rule. Like in the video above, in most of the videos it's only a few people doing something bad, while the vast majority are innocent bystanders. They are individuals who may disagree with the actions observed, hence the verbal disapproval.

This is probably, of the 80,000 people there, only 2,000 entered and of those, only 1200 were convicted.

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Philosophy, Religion & Society / Re: Trump

« on: March 19, 2025, 07:10:30 PM »

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/articles/cy7x382je03o

It’s good that Trump and Musk know what they’re doing. Oh

So instead of having them return to working, the government is going to pay them to sit at home and do nothing....

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Philosophy, Religion & Society / Re: Trump

« on: March 18, 2025, 09:15:00 PM »

In a comparison between answering questions from the press and not answering questions from the press, 9 out of 10 working dads agree that answering questions from the press exhibits more freedom of the press than does not answering questions from the press.

As a working Dad, I'm going to tell you... no.  As markjo put, freedom of the press means the ability for the press to ask questions freely and print material freely, not how many questions Trump answers.  If he answers a million questions about how great he is, how great his policy is, and all from just one network... that's not freedom of the press.

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Philosophy, Religion & Society / Re: Trump

« on: March 18, 2025, 05:31:54 PM »

It isn't trolling according to LD, when a president who has answered over 1500 questions from the press in 57 days, is somehow against freedom of the press.

And that is questions he has personally answered, not even counting the number of press briefings given by his administration!

LMMFAO!!!

MORE COMEDY GOLD!!!

You can't make this shit up!!!

wait... Do you think answering questions means you're all for freedom of the press? 

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Philosophy, Religion & Society / Re: Trump

« on: March 18, 2025, 09:03:04 AM »

Pivoting back to present day because Action and Tom are just trolling...




Apparently, freedom of the press isn't a thing, in Trump's opinion.  Especially when they say bad things about him.  Not wrong things, mind you, just bad things.

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Philosophy, Religion & Society / Re: Trump

« on: March 17, 2025, 03:56:20 PM »

They were not going to set him up for a military tribunal (which wouldn't even apply).  And no reasonable person would conclude that the angry mob with their own gallow was really just demanding that he be tried for... Doing what the constitution says he should do.

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Philosophy, Religion & Society / Re: Trump

« on: March 17, 2025, 10:40:09 AM »

LD: "hang Pence" is murder.

No, LD.

Words do not equal murder.

And no one is required to certify an election.

You know absolute jack-shit about the US Constitution and Pence is a traitor to the US, along with you and many others.

Threat of murder.


And I suppose you are technically correct.


"The President of the Senate shall, in the Presence of the Senate and House of Representatives, open all the Certificates, and the Votes shall then be counted."
But then...why did Trump claim Mike Pence could choose not to certify?

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Philosophy, Religion & Society / Re: Trump

« on: March 17, 2025, 04:31:14 AM »

That's the thing in this case, like I've been saying.

The four words were never uttered in the case of Ashley Babbitt.

The other thing you are forgetting (perhaps not, you probably just have no real clue) is that the US Capitol is a traditional public forum, and the citizens of the United States have a constitutional right to air their grievances in such a forum.

There will come a day when I will be the one airing my grievances.

Paraphrasing LD: "let BLM and Antifa do whatever the fuck they want, can't shoot them", but people with a legitimate grievance (the election in 2020 was a total joke, regardless of the amount of nonsense propaganda you want to push) need to be summarily shot!"

Stick your bullshit back in your sock.

I'd imagine having a gun pointed at you while being told to get back is enough for most but I guess some people are too stupid to listen.  Glad she died. Should have killed more.


As for airing grievances... Sure.  But "hang Pence" isn't an airing of grievances, thats murder. . This was a mob.  They wanted death because they were told the election was a fraud.  They were lied to.  They were told the VP can choose not to certify an election.  They were lied to.  They were told Pence was a traitor.  They were lied to.

It's clear their goal wasn't to air grievances but to stop the certification.  Which is not allowed.

Anyway, it doesn't matter.  Trump doesn't need the lie anymore and I bet that no one will ever be prosecuted nor evidence found of fraud in the 2020 election. 

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Philosophy, Religion & Society / Re: Trump

« on: March 16, 2025, 04:18:22 PM »

So Capitol Police were armed (THEY ALWAYS ARE!) and could have simply deterred the "violent insurrectionists," by uttering 4 simple words: "STOP OR I"LL SHOOT!!!"

Remember all that whining you and the others performed in the "Are the American Police Out of Control," thread?

Stop fucking trolling the subject, LD.

Then why didn't Asley Babbit stop?  Obviously uttering 4 words didn't help. 

But I was under the impression that secret Service was protecting the VIPs and that capitol police only had batons, which is why so many got assaulted.

But now I agree with you: they should have used them and killed as many MAGA traitors as possible.  None of them would have stopped at the mere verbal warning.  They needed to be shot.  As many as possible.  They were all a threat and should have been put down like the dogs they are.  Can't pardon the dead back to life.

That is what you're saying, right?  That Capitol police should have used deadly force as soon as possible?

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Philosophy, Religion & Society / Re: Champions of Renewable Energy UNITE!!!

« on: March 16, 2025, 02:33:48 PM »

The remedy proposal in your submission is not helpful to farms that were not constructed in such a way.

A loose tarp would simply allow the hail to either gather, bounce off, or otherwise slow it down enough, so as to not damage the panel.

If it was suspended on poles, sure.  But how long would it take to set it up?  And how much warning do you get about damaging hail in Texas? 

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Philosophy, Religion & Society / Re: Champions of Renewable Energy UNITE!!!

« on: March 16, 2025, 01:05:32 PM »

This is why this shit does not make sense:


I mean, why would the geniuses who think this is necessary, not have the intelligence to not put shields^TM in place for just such an event?

Tarps anyone?

Bueller?...Bueller?...Bueller?

A tarp?  Really?
You think a 3" chunk of ice hurtling at 90mph is gonna be stopped by a tarp?

Here, this will help.
https://www.wired.com/story/solar-energy-hale-protection/

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Philosophy, Religion & Society / Re: Trump

« on: March 16, 2025, 12:57:38 PM »

Only SS had guns, I believe.

A Secret Service agent shot Ashley Babbitt?

Apparently not.  Thought they did but it was capitol police.

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Philosophy, Religion & Society / Re: Trump

« on: March 15, 2025, 07:59:21 PM »

https://www.npr.org/2025/03/14/g-s1-54054/arlington-national-cemetery-dei-website

Apparnetly Trump REALLY hates non-white male military history.

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Philosophy, Religion & Society / Re: Trump

« on: March 15, 2025, 05:02:14 PM »

If one intimidated cop opened a door for an entering protester (which I think is untrue) would that stop the event being a riot, an insurrection, an attempt by a mob to overthrow the Constitution?

If a cop is intimidated for his life, he has a weapon to use. The discharge of a weapon did, in fact, turn back the crowd.

The Capitol Police are there to protect the Capitol and allowing a mob into the premise to get at the VIPs is seriously unacceptable. I sincerely doubt that honk or Lord Dave believe what they claim, or would think that it's okay for perimeter police to let a mob into the Harris White House to get at President Kamala Harris. This is an obvious Liberal LARP, in which one attempts to argue the leftist justification position no matter what and makes poor arguments for internet liberal points.

Only SS had guns, I believe.

And I don't think they let the mob in, but they were powerless to stop said mob.  100:1 odds never go over well.

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Philosophy, Religion & Society / Re: Trump

« on: March 15, 2025, 05:34:29 AM »

LD, I appreciate your "expert," [/sarcasm] analysis from over 5000 miles away, while you cannot even get Twitter to work.

One more time. You lose. I win.

Like I said, got twitter working and saw the video.  But why was he Handuffed? 
Face it, I win, you're living a lie.

I have no problem believing that at a certain point, the police probably just gave up trying to physically stop the participants. The events of the day lasted several hours, remember. To demand that every cop should have been spending every second of that time actively trying to physically stop the participants - which is exactly what's being implied when you present cherry-picked moments of cops not actively trying to physically stop the protestors and insist that it's indicative of a setup - just isn't reasonable.

Especially when you're outnumbered 100:1

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Philosophy, Religion & Society / Re: Trump

« on: March 14, 2025, 08:30:07 PM »

I never denied he was in the Senate chamber.

Yeah, you did deny it.

At no point in that clip do they show police escorting him into the Senate chamber. 

Everyone can clearly see you are lying here LD.

I even gave the time stamps.

Whether you can see it or not is irrelevant to everyone else.

Selective blindness is cool though, mirite?

I bolded the bit that's actually important.  I never claimed he never stod in the senate chamber.  I'd have been shocked if he didn't.  But you claimed the police escorted him there.


Now, as for the other video, the one I couldn't see until now. 
I gotta say, that's damning evidence.  It made me start to question.  I mean, police in the background, police in the hallway... its pretty convincing.  I can understand why you'd cling to that as evidence.

But I thought to myself... that's odd isn't it?  Why would they have FBI posing as MAGA to break windows so people can get in, cops handcuffing people so they can escort them inside, AND police opening doors so people can come inside.  That didn't make any sense, especially when they only needed the FBI agents.


So I decided to look at it from another angle.

Oh look, found one.
https://cha.house.gov/cha-subcommittee-reading-room-fe781e74-d577-4f64-93cc-fc3a8dd8df18
0126USCS01UpperWestTerrace_2021-01-06_14h30min01s820ms_1.mp4

Now, i KNOW you don't watch these videos.  If you did, you'd have commented that the links go to the main page.  But if you DO watch that video, at 3:20, you can see alot of people moving pass the door (this is the same door your video guy walks in)  Then some of those guys walk down an dopen the door.  The cops are... powerless to stop them so they don't bother.  The door opens, some come in, then more and more pour in.  Then at about 5:55, some more police show up to the door while poeple come in.  Those same cops your video shows standing by.  They CLEARLY didn't open the door since, you know, they weren't there when people were comming in.

Then there's a pause... No more people comming in now that the cops are there.  You'd think they'd want them to just keep comming but nope.  Then they come back into frame being PUSHED by the mob.


And in case you doubt its the same video...

Look at this guy.  SAME GUY in both videos.




So, no, they didn't let anyone in.  One of the protesters opened the door.
Probably one of these three.

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Philosophy, Religion & Society / Re: Trump

« on: March 14, 2025, 05:35:38 PM »

Christina Bobb's original X feed post

In case you claim you cannot see that X post also.

Violent insurrectionists in single file

In the video of Jacob Chansley, he is clearly seen in Senate Chamber from 1:16 to 1:19 praying in the Sneate Chamber.

I do not know why you are lying, but you are clearly lying.

Just STFU, okay?

First link
https://imgur.com/a/qgNRiCN

-edit- ok, so it doesn't show up if you aren't logged in.  So I made a junk account just to view it.  Hope you're happy.

Image works.

So why can you see it but not me?  Curious...could be European Data laws blocking it.  Or I'm not logged in and it's blocked from people not logged in.  Or I'm on a phone.  Will have to test on my PC.


I never denied he was in the Senate chamber.  I'm asking for the video of police escorting him there.  Especially since I didn't see any capitol police there in the Senate chamber. 
All I saw was two cops following him in the halls, they open a door, he walks in, then it cuts to the Senate chamber with a bunch of the rioters there.  That's it.  So nothing showing me cops escorting him in.  And I will go find the video of the police escorting him so I can show you where he's going but given those two cops escort him out the Senate carriage door... I'm gonna guess he's being taken out, not in.

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Philosophy, Religion & Society / Re: Trump

« on: March 14, 2025, 12:46:01 PM »

1. Clean up your dumpster fire quotes.

B. Watch the video with Chansley. You will see him go into the Senate Chamber.

III. I will post a screenshot of the Twitter feed when I get home.

d. You will apologize after that.

1. I did.  Sorry about that.
B. I did.  At no point does he walk into the Senate chamber.  Maybe out a timestamp where you see him do that?

Iii. I look forward to seeing that.  I'll do the same on mine if you want.

d. So far you've failed to show me shit.  Every video has been fromafter 3pm that day.  Except Dr. Gold who posted between 2pm and 3pm.

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Philosophy, Religion & Society / Re: Trump

« on: March 14, 2025, 12:20:54 PM »

LD claims he cannot see the Twitter feed.


The Twitter feed clearly shows US Capitol Police opening the doors to the Capitol and letting J6 protestors in.

Ok.  Prove that it exists.  Go click on the link in that tweet you showed and post the screenshot.  Go on, I'll wait.

LD claims he cannot see the Twitter feed.

Doesn't mean it doesn't exist.

The Twitter feed clearly shows US Capitol Police opening the doors to the Capitol and letting J6 protestors in.

There are numerous other videos showing Capitol police escorting protestors into the Senate chamber.

You lost LD, I won...that is all.

Congrats on finding video of the police escorting that guy out.  At no point in that clip do they show police escorting him into the Senate chamber.  It just cuts to the Senate chamber.  God you're pathetic.  Tell me, what time was that walkthrough video?  Because I bet I can find it and find all the vids of that guy being walked out, not in.

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Philosophy, Religion & Society / Re: Trump

« on: March 14, 2025, 12:07:50 PM »

Everybody inside the US Capitol that day had US Capitol Police escorts.

You don't think anyone can roam around freely inside the Capitol, do you?

Why was he cuffed?

What difference does that make?

Well, if you're escorting someone around, you typically don't handcuff them.  You only handcuff criminals.  Unless it's a sex thing.
So yeah makes a difference.

You also need to explain why the handcuffed guy went outside the building seconds later.

Once you handcuff a criminal you uncuff him and turn him loose?

As opposed to handcuffing someone to escort them inside?

Everybody who goes in a building eventually goes out of said building.

Sure.  But the video you claim is a cop escorting someone in shows that handcuffed person leaving seconds after being uncuffed.  Why would a video claim to show they were let in but they leave immediately after?

LD, stay on fucking track goddamnit... I said US Capitol Police let J6 protestors inside the building that day.

I posted a video from XTwitter clearly showing that happened.

You did not.  You posted a Twitter status of a retweet of something that doesn't exist.

I also showed a video from Jordan Peterson in which Dr. Simone Gold states the doors where she gained entry were opened from the inside.

Yes, the rioters did that once they got inside.  I saw the video.  She got in AFTER the Capitol building was breached, not before.

Other videos clearly show Capitol Police escorting J6 protestors to the Senate chamber.

And which ones were those?  Because you posted a whole 4 videos.  One of which wasn't even the DC capitol.

You got nothing dude, except the same ole shitinsky.

You got nothing dude, except the same ole shitinsky.