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« Reply #9020 on: July 07, 2021, 12:22:50 PM »
The moment a gun went off inside the building the entire crowd turned around and left. The capitol police clearly didn't do much to prevent people from entering if they let unarmed people just lazily walk in to potentially "kill politicians" without any appreciable force at all. The documentary should be about their ineptitude/corruption.

Pretty sure thats a no.
It took a few hours AFTER someone was shot and killed before they were arrested by police.
Also Trump told them to go home a few hours after thr first gunshot as well.


But is your argument really "If it was wrong, why was it so easy"?
Or is it "The Trump administration downplayed threats of violence so capital police were unprepared."?

Also:
https://www.businessinsider.com/capitol-police-officer-james-blassingame-insurrection-gun-2021-6

Summary: They wouldn't run away, they'd tear you apart in vengence.
Correct me if I am wrong, but the only shot fired was by Capitol police and the result was a 50 year old, unarmed, female Trump supporter was murdered.
You are incorrect.
The only shots fired was by Secret Service as a 50 year old, unarmed, female trump supporter attempted to climb through the window of a barricaded door(with a large mod banging on the door) where high level senators were taking shelter.
Oh, so a Secret Service agent fired the shot?

Why are you lying?

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« Reply #9021 on: July 07, 2021, 12:25:58 PM »
He was just wrong. Just like you were wrong about Ashli Babbitt being murdered.
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« Reply #9022 on: July 07, 2021, 12:41:19 PM »
He was just wrong. Just like you were wrong about Ashli Babbitt being murdered.
Nah, he is just lying.

Nah, I am right about Ashli Babbitt being murdered.

What do you call it when it an unarmed person is shot and killed by police?
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« Reply #9023 on: July 07, 2021, 12:57:03 PM »
He was just wrong. Just like you were wrong about Ashli Babbitt being murdered.
Nah, he is just lying.

Good for you.

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Nah, I am right about Ashli Babbitt being murdered.

What do you call it when it an unarmed person is shot and killed by police?

It depends on the circumstances, obviously. Murder being something that carries legal weight would restrain me from calling the killing of Ashli Babbitt a murder.
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« Reply #9024 on: July 07, 2021, 01:08:32 PM »
He was just wrong. Just like you were wrong about Ashli Babbitt being murdered.
Nah, he is just lying.

Good for you.
Lying isn't good for anybody.

But it does not surprise me you think it is.
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Nah, I am right about Ashli Babbitt being murdered.

What do you call it when it an unarmed person is shot and killed by police?

It depends on the circumstances, obviously. Murder being something that carries legal weight would restrain me from calling the killing of Ashli Babbitt a murder.
Everyone here knows quite clearly the only thing constraining you from calling it a murder boils to down to one of the following: skin color of the decedent, libtardiness, someone else already labeling it a murder, which it was.

In other words, the reality of it being a murder constrains you from calling it a murder.
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« Reply #9025 on: July 07, 2021, 01:30:20 PM »
There haven't been any charges pressed, and from what I have seen, it was clearly justified.  You can try and ad hom your way in to some kind of relevance, but that won't matter unless you can show the elements of murder.
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« Reply #9026 on: July 07, 2021, 01:38:42 PM »
There haven't been any charges pressed, and from what I have seen, it was clearly justified.  You can try and ad hom your way in to some kind of relevance, but that won't matter unless you can show the elements of murder.
You have not seen anything.

No tape of the incident has been released showing why the cop shot.

The name of the cop has not even been released.

No ad homs present, other than yours.
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« Reply #9027 on: July 07, 2021, 01:51:22 PM »
There haven't been any charges pressed, and from what I have seen, it was clearly justified.  You can try and ad hom your way in to some kind of relevance, but that won't matter unless you can show the elements of murder.
You have not seen anything.

Incorrect.

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No tape of the incident has been released showing why the cop shot.

Incorrect.

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The name of the cop has not even been released.

Irrelevant.

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No ad homs present, other than yours.

Incorrect.
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« Reply #9028 on: July 07, 2021, 01:55:03 PM »
There has been no tape released demonstrating why the cop murdered Ashli Babbitt and you damn well know this to be the case.

Releasing the name of the cop involved is highly relevant.

Stop lying.

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« Reply #9029 on: July 07, 2021, 01:57:30 PM »
There has been no tape released demonstrating why the cop murdered Ashli Babbitt and you damn well know this to be the case.

Climbing through a barricade in a restricted area while ignoring instructions from the police.

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Releasing the name of the cop involved is highly relevant.

Incorrect.

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Stop lying.

lol wut?
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« Reply #9030 on: July 07, 2021, 02:28:11 PM »
There has been no tape released demonstrating why the cop murdered Ashli Babbitt and you damn well know this to be the case.

There are several graphic videos clearly showing the moments leading up to her death. They have been available since Jan 6. There was additional footage Included in the NYT video I linked yesterday.

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« Reply #9031 on: July 07, 2021, 03:13:47 PM »
He was just wrong. Just like you were wrong about Ashli Babbitt being murdered.

Wait, the guys in suits and not uniforms, protecting politicians are not Secret Service?
Why would capitol police dress like that and not in police uniform?
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« Reply #9032 on: July 07, 2021, 03:19:12 PM »
There has been no tape released demonstrating why the cop murdered Ashli Babbitt and you damn well know this to be the case.

Climbing through a barricade in a restricted area while ignoring instructions from the police.

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Releasing the name of the cop involved is highly relevant.

Incorrect.

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Stop lying.

lol wut?
She didn't ignore any instructions from police and she didn't climb through a barricade.

Stop lying.

The barricade was on the other side of the windows and she was shot while behind the other people who breaking the glass.

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« Reply #9033 on: July 07, 2021, 03:22:36 PM »
She didn't ignore any instructions from police and she didn't climb through a barricade.

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The barricade was on the other side of the windows and she was shot while behind the other people who breaking the glass.

Incorrect.

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« Reply #9034 on: July 07, 2021, 03:24:35 PM »
She didn't ignore any instructions from police and she didn't climb through a barricade.

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The barricade was on the other side of the windows and she was shot while behind the other people who breaking the glass.

Incorrect.
^Incorrect.

The barricade was on the other side where the cop was.

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« Reply #9035 on: July 07, 2021, 03:34:22 PM »
TIL a window isn’t a barricade. A gold medal in mental gymnastics from Lackey.
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« Reply #9036 on: July 07, 2021, 03:36:33 PM »
TIL a window isn’t a barricade. A gold medal in mental gymnastics from Lackey.
A window isn't a barricade.

She was not attempting to go through the window.

Perhaps you missed the part where she was shot while standing behind others who were.

Stop lying.

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« Reply #9037 on: July 07, 2021, 04:00:00 PM »
https://www.washingtonpost.com/investigations/2021/01/08/ashli-babbitt-shooting-video-capitol/

The video.

If she wasn't trying to get through, why was the window on the floor (you can see the glass) why was she infront of it?
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« Reply #9038 on: July 07, 2021, 04:08:52 PM »
https://www.washingtonpost.com/investigations/2021/01/08/ashli-babbitt-shooting-video-capitol/

The video.

If she wasn't trying to get through, why was the window on the floor (you can see the glass) why was she infront of it?
She was behind other people when she was shot.

Additionally, the security who were positioned in front of those doors had left their position protecting those doors in the span of the minute prior.

You can see where she fell to the floor after being shot.

Well behind the doors.

She was unarmed and no threat to anyone there whatsoever.

Of course to you and the others of your ilk, completely justified.

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« Reply #9039 on: July 07, 2021, 04:24:34 PM »
https://www.washingtonpost.com/investigations/2021/01/08/ashli-babbitt-shooting-video-capitol/

The video.

If she wasn't trying to get through, why was the window on the floor (you can see the glass) why was she infront of it?
She was behind other people when she was shot.
So the bullet went around someone and hit her? 

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Additionally, the security who were positioned in front of those doors had left their position protecting those doors in the span of the minute prior.
Irrelevant.

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You can see where she fell to the floor after being shot.

Well behind the doors.
Yes, because I too wait for people to break into my home BEFORE I shoot them.  Because trying to break in just isn't enough, eh?

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She was unarmed and no threat to anyone there whatsoever.

Of course to you and the others of your ilk, completely justified.
Ok.
So what you're saying is if you, personally, are no threat to anyone (because unarmed combat isn't a thing), and you have dozens of people with you, also unarmed (because no one can be killed by an unarmed mob), and you are trying to break into an area you are not allowed to be...

Its totally fine to let them in because shooting them would be wrong.
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