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How is that a more relevant point when it comes to Shaq, but not the other celebrities supposedly backing FES?

You're just looking for excuses, Tom. You guys got played and you jumped in feet first.

It was to be expected that something was going to break with that kind of overwhelming ridicule, either Shaq's career, or some kind of backtrack on his position. Shaq chose to try and save his career.

Again, if this is his joking style, where has he made a similar "joke"?

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Really Tom? Really?

I mean, I know it hurts that all of you used Shaq's statement and tried to fuel your position in the public with being" backed by a celebrity". Now this is a conspiracy too, and Shaq "obviously" caved in to pressure.

I guess the joke is on you.

The entire world was mocking him. He was going to either go with it, or backtrack and try to save face. When you question the status quo you are mocked and ridiculed.

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Shaq obviously caved in to pressure since the story went world wide and was hurting his brand and the NBA.

yeah just like kyrie irving

https://solecollector.com/news/2017/03/nike-kyrie-irving-3-best-selling-basketball-sneaker

So? Shaq's managers would perceive what he said as being negative. Do you think they saw the world mocking him and said that it would make them millions of dollars?

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Philosophy, Religion & Society / Re: Trump
« on: March 24, 2017, 07:59:05 AM »
Anyway, on the lighter side of Trump news:
http://www.usmagazine.com/celebrity-news/news/donald-trump-and-first-lady-melania-keep-separate-bedrooms-w473116

Of course it's Us Weekly so who knows if it's really true?  It's plausible; don't you think you'd be miserable if you were Melania?  Would you want to sleep in the same bed as a shriveled old troll like Donald?

That doesn't make any sense. Trump is a billionaire. Why would he keep her around and stand for that? He would just replace her like he has done with past wives.

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Shaq obviously caved in to pressure since the story went world wide and was hurting his brand and the NBA. If this is his joking style show us where he has ever made a similar "joke".

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Flat Earth Theory / Re: Angular Diameter change of Venus and Mars
« on: March 24, 2017, 03:18:20 AM »
So, you don't know why it happens?

Why should it matter any more than should the temperature of Uranus matter?

This is not really a topic of discussion. If you can show that this is some kind of round earth proof, we would look into it. When we are asked what puts the sun into motion, for example, the standard reply is that the mechanism is presently unknown to us, but the motion is apparent. We base knowledge on empiricism here, not wild theories.

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Flat Earth Theory / Re: Angular Diameter change of Venus and Mars
« on: March 24, 2017, 01:52:23 AM »
I find that my observations fit within the heliocentric model.   You say they fit with flat earth model.  I'm asking how?

As I explained, the angular change happened, and the earth was still flat underneath it.

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Flat Earth Theory / Re: Angular Diameter change of Venus and Mars
« on: March 23, 2017, 11:14:00 PM »
Tom, I would say that if your model cannot account for some basic observations that a person can make from their back yard with a telescope,  then the model maybe suspect.

Account for what? You have not told us why it can't happen on a Flat Earth.

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Secondly, If there is an unwillingness to account for the observation then the driving force behind a your model may not be derived from observation.   

You have not provided any explanation for why this can't happen on an earth that is not round. Why should we bother coming up with a figure for this particular property of Venus anymore than the temperature of Uranus?

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Flat Earth Theory / Re: Problems with the Bishop Experiment
« on: March 23, 2017, 11:10:14 PM »
No, that isn't the whole peninsula, there are several places pointing towards santa cruz.

That is Lovers Point, which you specifically referred to by name as the location of your experiment.

The whole area of the peninsula is generally referred as Lover's Point. There are several things called Lovers Point in that area, such as the Lover's Point Marine Reserve.

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Flat Earth Theory / Re: Angular Diameter change of Venus and Mars
« on: March 23, 2017, 06:13:03 PM »
How does an observed angular diameter change of 5x fit with model?  Please explain.

The angular change happened, and the earth was still flat underneath it. I don't see any sort of explanation for why it could only happen on a globe earth and none other.

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If you can tell me orbital period and orbital diameter of Venus around the sun, I'll plot it out and see if it fits.  Maybe you've already done this since you say it works.

Why should we care enough to know that if it's not going to tell us whether the earth is a globe or not? Do we have to know what the temperature of uranus is too?

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Flat Earth Theory / Re: Angular Diameter change of Venus and Mars
« on: March 23, 2017, 06:06:41 PM »
Retrograde motion of the planets is described here.

I still don't see what the angular size change of a body above us has to do with the shape of the earth.
The observed angular diameter change fits with the heliocentric model.  What is the flat earth explanation?

The explanation is that the observed angular change fits with the flat earth model.

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Flat Earth Theory / Re: Problems with the Bishop Experiment
« on: March 23, 2017, 06:05:21 PM »
No, that isn't the whole peninsula, there are several places pointing towards santa cruz.

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Flat Earth Theory / Re: Angular Diameter change of Venus and Mars
« on: March 23, 2017, 05:43:51 PM »
Retrograde motion of the planets is described here.

I still don't see what the angular size change of a body above us has to do with the shape of the earth.

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Flat Earth Theory / Re: Problems with the Bishop Experiment
« on: March 23, 2017, 05:38:26 PM »
I already said that I performed the experiment a number of times on that peninsula, in different areas, 10 years ago. I don't know beach names.

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Flat Earth Theory / Re: Angular Diameter change of Venus and Mars
« on: March 23, 2017, 05:19:04 PM »
What about this event can only happen if the earth were a globe?

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Flat Earth Community / Re: How orbits work.
« on: March 21, 2017, 10:27:04 PM »
We/they don't know everything, I would be deeply suspicious of anyone saying they did, but if you are going to oppose everything scientist say, you have to come up with something that at least works and you really can't take their work (that acknowledges a problem) and hold it up as proof they are wrong.

How does gravity "at least work" if it is clearly not working in entire galaxies?

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Most people who get an Ed. d. specialize in something related to education.  What does human resources have to do with education?  Most people who specialize in HR get an MBA or Ph. d. in HR, not an Ed. d. in HR.

HR has a lot to do with education. You do realize that HR needs to have expertise in educational assessment, certification, and continuing education, right? There are a number of sub disciplines which create, manage, and develop training programs as well.

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Regardless, I still don't see how a doctorate in education or human resources makes one an authority on the shape of the earth.

A doctorate in education makes one an authority on education.

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Apparently not everyone thinks that an Ed. D. isn't as big a deal as you might think.
Barbara K. Townsend, Professor of Higher Education and Associate Dean for Research and Development at the University of Missouri at Columbia, suggests the doctorate of education is most frequently sought for vanity purposes and to improve one's status, citing a 2000 survey of California school superintendents in which they identify the greatest value of the Ed. D. as being its "symbolic value (credibility and respects a basis for leadership)," further adding that there is scant research or evidence to suggest that possession of a doctorate in education improves one's ability to be an effective administrator.

Why would the study of education make you a better administrator?
I don't know, but a degree in human resources sounds pretty administrative to me.

Are you saying that a Doctor of Education doesn't know anything about education?

He had to specialize in something, and chose HR. No one gets a Doctor of Education and specializes in Education, just like no one gets a Doctor of Medicine and specializes in Medicine. Next you will be telling us that a Doctor of Medicine with specialization in Immunization basically just got a certificate in immunization and doesn't know anything else about how the body works.

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There are literally thousands of people with more or less the same credentials as the one Shaq has holds.  Why don't we hear them in their multitudes proclaiming the flat earth?  Because they don't believe in the flat earth!  Why does Shaq's degree give his flat earth notion credibility, but the very same degree confers no credibility to the thousands of round earth believers?

You could also say that there were thousands of phsyscists in Einstein's day but none of them came up with E=MC^2. Why not? They just didn't think about it.

When the other physcists saw his equation they all reacted to it favorably.

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There are many professional doctorates that do not require dissertations (MD, DO, DC, JD, DDS, etc.). I don't know what criticism you have with Shaq not doing a dissertation. As his spokesman said, the capstone is the standard practice at many ivy leagues.

Is an MD a less significant degree because there was no dissertation? No. There are different kinds of doctorates, and they all require a lot of hard work. The people criticizing Shaq for not doing a dissertation are just very ignorant of how other fields work.

I said that Shaq is a credible source on matters of education because he studied that subject enough to get a doctorate. That's pretty indisputable.

i am not denying that shaq is a credible source of information on the topic of education, and i'm not criticizing his degree.

i'm criticizing you for championing as fact the words of a complete stranger merely because he has a phd.  it's confusing given that the position you are championing is "the education system is bad because it operates entirely on appeals to authority."

tbh i'm mostly just poking fun at you for suddenly asserting an appeal to authority when the speaker says something you already agreed with.  your worldview is in many ways fundamentally based on a resistance to appeals to authority (not meant as a criticism); you can't start asserting it now.

I never said that ALL appeals to authority are bad. Its more like blind appeals to an authority are bad. An appeal to a credible authority is good!

It is a perfectly legitimate argument to point to NASA pictures as proof that the earth is round. It is also perfectly legitimate for us to discredit that source of authority by pointing out the questionable and sketchy pictures NASA has produced.

In order to discredit Shaq as a source of authority you would need to show that he cheated in his classes or something, just like we regularly show that NASA is cheating in its efforts.

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