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Philosophy, Religion & Society / Re: Bye Bye Abortion
« on: July 13, 2022, 06:37:54 PM »
And look what we have here.

https://www.msn.com/en-us/travel/news/arrest-made-in-rape-of-ohio-10-year-old-who-had-to-travel-out-of-state-for-abortion/ar-AAZxBx7?li=BBnb7Kz
Wow, how shocking they didn't have a press conference manhunt in order to catch him and they didn't identify the 10 year old victim. /s

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Philosophy, Religion & Society / Re: Bye Bye Abortion
« on: July 13, 2022, 04:50:54 PM »
As if working with the community to bring a child rapist to justice would not count as a positive.

Jesus, get a clue.
lol are you high again? The point was you said this has to be a fake report because there was no press release. I said there doesn't have to be a press release.

Holy crap, you are writing like you are clueless. Underage victims are identified ALL THE TIME, when it comes to investigating child abuse and further prosecutorial efforts.

Underage perps are the ones that are not.
Sure, Jan.

Heartbeat cutoff...LOL!!!

First, you can claim what you want, but your main concern is obviously NOT the issue of what kind of sick perv did this to a 10 -year-old...it is whether or not people can get abortions. So, my statement wasn't horrible.
We're not here as an internet sleuthing team to uncover rapists. We're talking about the child's right to abort her rapist's fetus. If you want to find her rapist then travel to Ohio and link up with the police or at least make your own true crime thread.

2nd, the story states SIX WEEKS AND 3 DAYS!!!

Yeah, that kind of accuracy isn't possible.
I'm not sure what you're getting at here. I assume they detected a heartbeat through an ultrasound, thus she was unable to have an abortion in Ohio.

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Philosophy, Religion & Society / Re: Bye Bye Abortion
« on: July 12, 2022, 08:23:05 PM »
This is not factual in the slightest. The police are not obligated to give press conferences ever, they only do so when there is a major public event like a shooting or search.
Did you just make this up on the fly, like the reporting on the 10-year-old girl?
No, I did not. They are encouraged to do so in certain circumstances for positive public relations or cooperation but are not legally obligated.

It is possible they are keeping everything confidential for various reasons. The rapist could have been her own father for example.
Why would they keep the identity of the reported rapist confidential?

Do you read the words you write before you type them?

Purely rhetorical, as the answer is quite evident.
It's possible that releasing the identity of the rapist might identify the child. Underage victims are not disclosed for very obvious reasons.

If it is a false story, I'm not sure how that changes things? A young victim of rape would still need to travel for an abortion if they lived in Ohio.
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An Ohio state law went into effect July 2019 which makes abortion illegal after the fetus heartbeat can be detected, which usually develops between five or six weeks after conception. No exceptions are made for "hard cases" such as rape, incest, or a fetus determined to possibly have down syndrome.
Glad to see the thumbs up given to protecting child rapists.
Hi, please don't make up really horrible statements out of nowhere. Even when trolling you should stay on topic rather than spinning a harmful fantasy. Saying that Ohio laws would forbid a 10 year old rape victim from getting an abortion if she missed the heartbeat cutoff does not in any way allude to me wanting to protect a child rapist.

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Philosophy, Religion & Society / Re: Bye Bye Abortion
« on: July 12, 2022, 04:33:57 PM »
Had the report been made, no doubt a press conference would have been held, notifying local residents to be on the lookout for a baby raper on the loose.
This is not factual in the slightest. The police are not obligated to give press conferences ever, they only do so when there is a major public event like a shooting or search. Child rapists are typically friends of the family so they may have already arrested the person and no, again, there is no obligation to make that public either. Not until they're convicted and added to a registry and then you wouldn't know which specific case they're linked to anyway.

It is possible they are keeping everything confidential for various reasons. The rapist could have been her own father for example. If it is a false story, I'm not sure how that changes things? A young victim of rape would still need to travel for an abortion if they lived in Ohio.
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An Ohio state law went into effect July 2019 which makes abortion illegal after the fetus heartbeat can be detected, which usually develops between five or six weeks after conception. No exceptions are made for "hard cases" such as rape, incest, or a fetus determined to possibly have down syndrome.

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Philosophy, Religion & Society / Re: Bye Bye Abortion
« on: July 11, 2022, 12:48:38 AM »
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And there are a whole plethora of laws and processes aimed at regulating abortions

Correct, but we are assessing the position that abortion should be a matter between a woman and her doctor and the state should not be involved. If abortion is harmful to women then the state does have a responsibility to step in.

What you posted shows that multiple states have acknowledged that abortion does need to be regulated.
Honestly, the state should always step in to make sure everyone makes the best decision possible in every situation. No one knows better than the state and women are too delicate to have regrets.

I posted this link before, so if you keep trolling can you at least pick a new angle? This is beneath you; lazier than usual.
https://www.ucsf.edu/news/2020/01/416421/five-years-after-abortion-nearly-all-women-say-it-was-right-decision-study

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Philosophy, Religion & Society / Re: Bye Bye Abortion
« on: July 07, 2022, 11:03:48 PM »
That's pretty terrible, actually.

"306 (69%) of 441 said they would have the abortion again" means that 31% said that they would not have the abortion if they could choose again. This represents millions of women. The fact that they have almost a 1 in 3 chance of regretting their decision two years later is something young women should know, to provide them with complete information.

"(72%) of 440 reported more benefit than harm from their abortion" means that 28% reported more harm than benefit from their abortion.

"(80%) of 386 were not depressed" means that 20% were still depressed from their abortion two years later.

"Depression decreased and self-esteem increased from preabortion to postabortion, but negative emotions increased and decision satisfaction decreased over time." means that the longer the time passes the more and more women regret their abortion. This study was for a mere two years after abortion. Many of the testimonials in the previous document were of women looking back ten years later or more and regretting their abortion, wishing that they had not done it.

There may be some women who suspect that they might regret their abortion but go through with it anyway, and later find that their inner suspicion was correct. It is a disservice to expect that women are experts in things they are not familiar with. Therefore allowing "women to decide" is a bunk argument. Young women considering an abortion are simply inexperienced in this to be capable of making the best decision.
Yes, I agree wholeheartedly. Let's ban everything that a tiny minority (it was already established your stats are inaccurate trash and I'm pretty sure you've tried this argument already earlier in this topic) might regret. Tattoos, piercings, sex, marriage, shopping in general (buyer's remorse), taking risks/not taking risks, etc. Might as well put everyone in a safe little box because people are incapable of making their own decisions.

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Philosophy, Religion & Society / Re: Bye Bye Abortion
« on: July 03, 2022, 08:17:32 PM »
https://thehill.com/policy/healthcare/3544588-10-year-old-girl-denied-abortion-in-ohio/

I guess she should have kept her legs closed? Right, GOP?
Obviously the 10 year old should have realized she was pregnant sooner so as not to miss the 6 week cutoff. /s tag just in case anyone can't tell again

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Philosophy, Religion & Society / Re: Bye Bye Abortion
« on: July 02, 2022, 03:39:59 PM »
>_> not sure if serious....
ffs Dave

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Philosophy, Religion & Society / Re: Bye Bye Abortion
« on: July 01, 2022, 10:16:15 PM »
I vote for changing the term "miscarriage" to "died of natural causes." To call it miscarriage is to pretend like they weren't a fully realized human with hopes and dreams and I just think that's sick. We don't say Jane Doe died of miscarriage at the age of 95!  >o<

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Philosophy, Religion & Society / Re: Bye Bye Abortion
« on: June 30, 2022, 04:44:28 PM »
No, we didn't.

I pointed out an additional charge of homicide is also leveled, something you very much wanted to keep out of the discussion as it renders your reasoning in support of abortion to actually be reasoning in support of wanton murder.
I did not care if it was brought into the discussion or not. The law explicitly excludes abortion and as I said before, consent makes all the difference. This is not my opinion, it was literally written into law. If someone decided to violently cut off a woman's breasts that would be a crime. If a woman and her doctor decide on a mastectomy to treat cancer that would not be a crime.

Fetal homicide hinges on the violent act against a pregnant woman. Not a medical decision the woman makes for herself.
As pointed out, "person" in legal terms means whatever fuck all the laws want it to mean. It does not mean a naturalized person with rights. If you have problems with that then, well just wait longer and I'm sure it will all be pushed aside when we become a christian taliban state.

I don't know why I bother. You say obvious troll shit like
A. - I am breathing.

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So just go back to ranting and telling me my copy/pasta is wrong.

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Philosophy, Religion & Society / Re: Bye Bye Abortion
« on: June 30, 2022, 02:54:01 PM »
If you aren't interested in having an honest conversation, you should just avoid me instead of looking lying to try and make me look bad.
He never is. We bypassed homicide being the number one cause of death to pregnant women and are back on first trimester abortion is murder that apparently matters more than the woman. There's no point.

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Philosophy, Religion & Society / Re: Bye Bye Abortion
« on: June 29, 2022, 09:32:55 PM »
Legally speaking, there is a difference between person and natural person.

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Legal person refers to a human or non-human entity that is treated as a person for limited legal purposes.

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In law, a human person is called a natural person (sometimes also a physical person), and a non-human person is called a juridical person (sometimes also a juridic, juristic, artificial, legal, or fictitious person, Latin: persona ficta).

I should have specified "natural" not "legal" but I'm not a lawyer and so got it mixed up.

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Philosophy, Religion & Society / Re: Bye Bye Abortion
« on: June 29, 2022, 09:15:11 PM »
https://www.law.cornell.edu/cfr/text/28/94.102

Seems a crime victim is a person

You are just flat-out wrong.

So, there you have it.

An unborn fetus is a person.
This is just so lazy. You're telling me I'm wrong for pasting a literal law that explicitly excludes abortions and pretending like you understand legal terms better than people who write the laws.

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Philosophy, Religion & Society / Re: Bye Bye Abortion
« on: June 29, 2022, 04:34:39 PM »
Also for a fun statistic, the number one cause of death for pregnant women is homicide. A lot of women don't know they're even pregnant by six weeks (which is the ban limit in TN now). Let's watch those homicides go up when women are forced to carry unwanted pregnancies.
Unremarkably, the perp would face TWO counts of homicide. Are you arguing the charge for the second should be dropped because no human was killed?
Can't believe someone made a throw away just to say that smh
The consent of the pregnant woman makes the entire difference.

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The Unborn Victims of Violence Act of 2004 (Public Law 108-212) is a United States law that recognizes an embryo or fetus in utero as a legal victim, if they are injured or killed during the commission of any of over 60 listed federal crimes of violence.
*Note that is says legal victim, not legal person

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Bars prosecution under this Act: (1) of any person for conduct relating to an abortion for which the consent of the pregnant woman (or a person authorized by law to act on her behalf) has been obtained or is implied by law or for conduct relating to any medical treatment of the pregnant woman or her unborn child; or (2) of any woman with respect to her unborn child.
This is also called the Laci and Connor's (Peterson) Law where Laci was 8 months pregnant. Looking around some legal sites, some have a prerequisite on how far along the fetus needs to be and specify death must be the result of a malicious and violent criminal act.

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Philosophy, Religion & Society / Re: Bye Bye Abortion
« on: June 28, 2022, 08:47:24 PM »
That seems pretty unlikely.
For now it might seem unlikely, but also seems pretty fucking dangerous to assume it will stay that way given the political climate here in the states and how SCOTUS has their eyes on rolling back other rulings that protect contraception, same-sex relationships, and same-sex marriages. We have extremists here and the conservatives are not afraid to pander to them.

There's a lot of complexity and nuance here which too many people on both sides don't acknowledge.
Ah yes, the GOP is well known for their nuance and delicate handling of complex issues.

I'm starting to sound like a broken record here but less than 1% of abortions happen in the third trimester and it's almost exclusively for medical emergencies. Women don't go around carrying fetuses for that long and then decide to get rid of it for fun. Meanwhile, states are jumping on this with their trigger laws. I don't know if you're aware, but states have been pushing things for awhile now - weird rules on forcing clinics to have hallways that are a specific width (for example) all as an excuse to close them down if they're not meeting these arbitrary codes. Women's health clinics don't need hallways to be that big btw because they're not pushing a bunch of patients around on gurneys. It doesn't take a huge leap to think they might eventually ban all abortion. I mean, it was only 2012 when an Irish woman died because she was having a miscarriage but doctors weren't allowed to intervene because the fetus still had a heartbeat. Kinda weird to assume the USA in 2022 won't also be that heinous.
https://www.usnews.com/news/best-countries/articles/2022-06-27/the-story-behind-irelands-abortion-ban-and-its-reversal

Also for a fun statistic, the number one cause of death for pregnant women is homicide. A lot of women don't know they're even pregnant by six weeks (which is the ban limit in TN now). Let's watch those homicides go up when women are forced to carry unwanted pregnancies.

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Philosophy, Religion & Society / Re: Bye Bye Abortion
« on: June 28, 2022, 07:44:03 PM »
Hell yeah, can't wait for ectopic pregnancies to be a death sentence in the USofA.

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Philosophy, Religion & Society / Re: Bye Bye Abortion
« on: June 27, 2022, 02:03:57 AM »
Yeah, there's no cultural swing. And there's no reason to be focusing on late term abortions.

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Philosophy, Religion & Society / Re: Bye Bye Abortion
« on: June 27, 2022, 12:15:51 AM »
Tom, what is your actual point? You're happy RvW has been overturned because less than 1% of abortions are during the third trimester? Gr8 deb8 m8

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Philosophy, Religion & Society / Re: Bye Bye Abortion
« on: June 26, 2022, 08:26:02 PM »
Oh boy, not the late term abortion boogeyman.  ::) They are incredibly rare but might become less so if abortions are difficult to get in a timely manner.

https://theconversation.com/less-than-1-of-abortions-take-place-in-the-third-trimester-heres-why-people-get-them-182580

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