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Philosophy, Religion & Society / Re: Coronavirus Vaccine and You
« on: July 15, 2021, 02:29:06 PM »
Now that the "here's how Trump can still win" mantra has faded, 'the great reset' is what we'll get to hear all about?

Hold on a second.  It's not August 13 yet.

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That's actually a nice piece of work.  How do you account for the fact that the distance to drive a car from Los Angeles to Wilmington, NC is around 2600 miles and the distance to drive a car from Perth to Sydney is around 2500 miles yet on your map LA to Wilmington appears to be about 60% the distance?

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Philosophy, Religion & Society / Re: Coronavirus Vaccine and You
« on: July 13, 2021, 07:07:28 PM »
What is there to understand about the numbers?

Perhaps this related to VAERS reporting.(The numbers listed are as of July 6.  No idea what the date of your numbers is.)

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https://www.cdc.gov/coronavirus/2019-ncov/vaccines/safety/adverse-events.html

Reports of death after COVID-19 vaccination are rare. More than 331 million doses of COVID-19 vaccines were administered in the United States from December 14, 2020, through July 6, 2021. During this time, VAERS received 5,946 reports of death (0.0018%) among people who received a COVID-19 vaccine. FDA requires healthcare providers to report any death after COVID-19 vaccination to VAERS, even if it’s unclear whether the vaccine was the cause.Reports of adverse events to VAERS following vaccination, including deaths, do not necessarily mean that a vaccine caused a health problem. A review of available clinical information, including death certificates, autopsy, and medical records, has not established a causal link to COVID-19 vaccines.

According to the CDC the US age related death rate in 2019 was 715.2 per 100,000 us population.  That would mean one could expect 357.5 deaths per 100,000 in a six month period. If you figure 2 doses per person then we're looking at 115 people million which would equate to 411,125 expected deaths pre-covid vaccine.  So, we have 9048 vaccine deaths vs. 411,125 expected deaths.  This means that getting the vaccine puts you at 2.2% the risk of death vs. not having a vaccine if you'd like to really understand your numbers.

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Flat Earth Theory / Re: The sundial problem
« on: July 11, 2021, 08:54:44 PM »
What I'm saying is RE prediction matches what is seen.
Matches how? You haven't shown any real world evidence. Stating your theory and claiming your theory are correct is a million miles from DEMONSTRATING that your theory is correct. I could theorise that it rains blood in Kenya. This is because I believe clouds are made of sheep and it rains when God squeezes them. My theory matches what is seen and your theory isn't even close. - Can you not see how silly your argument is?

The "but you've never been there" argument is the silliest FE argument there is.  It bascially says, "I've got nothing."  There's plenty of documentation that sundials behave in the southern hemisphere similar to the northern.  I'd venture you've never been to Madagascar,  but Madagascar exists.  So does South Africa, Singapore, etc., etc.  You might want to stick with arguing Brexit and the EU.


For those who care, FE would actually give the exact same prediction but we're dealing with someone of limited intelligence so come back on page 4 or 5 when WTF_Seriously has caught up.

As for this, I've shown the FE prediction.  The drawing given is based on FE theory location of the sun as it orbits the north pole.  It in no way gives the exact same prediction as what is witnessed.  If you'd like to present some actual evidence as to the FE prediction being different I'm sure we'd all like to see it.

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Flat Earth Theory / Re: The sundial problem
« on: July 11, 2021, 02:37:36 PM »
So what you are saying is "My round earth prediction is this. Your flat earth prediction is different. Explain why your flat earth prediction is different." ... Answer ... it's a different model. One you have failed to debunk. 

What I'm saying is RE prediction matches what is seen.  You know, that zetetic thing.  FE prediction isn't even close.

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Flat Earth Theory / Re: The sundial problem
« on: July 11, 2021, 01:01:21 AM »
[thread]

Here's the sketch of how the FE sun would align with sundials at the equinox for a person at 45 deg lat.  Since at least one person is unable to envision how actual time is irrelevant to the discussion I included an additional image base on actual sun meridian time in Ottawa. 


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Flat Earth Theory / Re: The sundial problem
« on: July 09, 2021, 04:29:25 PM »
... but you're not that smart.

Says the smart guy that doesn't understand that rotating a circle by 13.74 degrees still gives you the same circle.

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Flat Earth Theory / Re: The sundial problem
« on: July 09, 2021, 04:03:35 PM »
And once again.

Lol "Everyone is Wrong and LiEeInG"
That is a desperate argument from a losing position.......

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Flat Earth Theory / Re: The sundial problem
« on: July 09, 2021, 03:53:08 PM »
Why did you pick at 9am and 3pm?

Please look at Ottawa below. It is at 45.42 degrees of latitude. Very near the 45 degrees you stipulate.

https://www.timeanddate.com/sun/canada/ottawa?month=9&year=2021

The meridian is not 12pm on the equinox (22nd September). Its 12:55pm.

9am is 3 hours 55 mins earlier.
3pm is just 2 hours 5 mins later.

Well, because that would be that 9-12-3 is easily represented at angles of 45-90-135 for a total sun rotation of 90 deg.   Would be the same as 9:55-12:55-3:55 in lovely Ottawa.  Shifting the time makes zero difference to the problem.

Why would you be surprised to see different shadow lengths?

Even though shadow lengths would be different for a different reason, I stated that the shadow angles were different.  That is not what is witnessed yet that's what plots out on a FE map.


The reality is you didn't see anything at all. You made assumptions based on your round earth preconceptions and then demanded to know why 'what we see' <-- actually something you didn't see but lied about, doesn't match a flat earth prediction. Come back when you have real world evidence to suggest the shadows are as you predict.

Ah.  The Nuh, uh.  You've never been there defense.  Well played.  Tom bishop himself addresses that better than I can.

Lol "Everyone is Wrong and LiEeInG"
That is a desperate argument from a losing position. An argument from a position of strength would have positive evidence for that position.

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Flat Earth Theory / The sundial problem
« on: July 09, 2021, 02:45:42 PM »
A post in another thread got me thinking about how shadows would move differently in the northern and southern hemiplanes.  This made me think about sundials.

At the same latitude, a (RE) sundial from in the northern hemisphere will work exactly as the in the south.  You must rotate it 180 and reverse the numbers but the timing and shadow angels and lengths will be identical.  This is what we observe.

I drew up another one of my FE sketches (which I'm unable to upload for the moment) based on the sun's positions at 9AM and 3PM on the equinox and sundials positioned at 45 deg N and S.  What you find is that the angle of the shadow on the sundial between those two times on a sundial is different, 148 deg. in the north and 84 deg. in the south.

I'm curious the zetetic explanation for why we observe that the sundials actually show the same angle.

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Science & Alternative Science / Re: FE and ICBMs
« on: July 09, 2021, 02:33:25 PM »

Average velocity (linear) is calculated by (final velocity+ initial velocity)/2 as demonstrated here: https://www.calculatorsoup.com/calculators/physics/velocity_avg.php


I'm going to paraphrase a comment made to me in another thread.

To be frank, if you believe the above applies to rocket trajectory you're not qualified to be having this discussion.

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Philosophy, Religion & Society / Re: Trans athletes
« on: July 08, 2021, 08:53:44 PM »
Hey Tom, how's the haircut?
Lev. 19:27 “ ‘Do not cut the hair at the sides of your head or clip off the edges of your beard.

While we're at it, how are you on immigration?

Lev. 19:33 “ ‘When a foreigner resides among you in your land, do not mistreat them. 34 The foreigner residing among you must be treated as your native-born. Love them as yourself, for you were foreigners in Egypt. I am the LORD your God.

Do you like bacon, Tom?

Lev. 11:7 And the pig, though it has a divided hoof, does not chew the cud; it is unclean for you.

You're from the Bay Area, right?  Ever had clams, oysters, or crab?

Lev. 11:10 But all creatures in the seas or streams that do not have fins and scales—whether among all the swarming things or among all the other living creatures in the water—you are to regard as unclean. 11 And since you are to regard them as unclean, you must not eat their meat; you must regard their carcasses as unclean.

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Science & Alternative Science / Re: FE and ICBMs
« on: July 08, 2021, 05:45:03 PM »
If you think you are somehow claiming that on the one hand, I am wrong by giving the average velocity of 8000km/h derived by your figures, then only to provide the displacement/t as the correct figure, then you would need to counter this: https://www.calculatorsoup.com/calculators/physics/velocity_avg.php
Type in 0 for initial velocity and 16,000 km/h for final velocity.

See what you get.

Finally people can see where you're getting your information.

Riddle me this, Batman.

My initial velocity is 0.  In one second I accelerate to 16,000 km/hr.  I travel at 16,000 km/hr for 4:59 for a final velocity of 16,000 km/hr.  Same numbers in your calculator.

Are you telling me my average velocity over the 5 minutes was 8,000 km/hr??????

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Science & Alternative Science / Re: FE and ICBMs
« on: July 01, 2021, 07:46:19 PM »
Pardon me for not reading 13 pages of replies, but coming down to the end of this, it seems to me that none of this is necessary. The target of an ICBM will be in a very different place if the earth is flat or round. All that is necessary for the question of FE vs RE is to observe that if you get the shape of the earth wrong, the missile will miss by hundreds of miles. The US has multiple test ranges and tracks missiles with radar, gps, and hydrophone grid at landing site. Russia shoots them at Siberia and can see where they landed. They want to get the CEP (circular error probability) down as low as possible (certainly less than a mile) to hit hardened targets.

The equation for a multi-stage rocket would be very complex, and I believe they have in flight guidance control of some kind. There is a gap between stages firing, the stages have different power and weight. It is not physics 101 textbook parabola. They are MIRVed and different warheads land different places.

The North Korea missiles went almost straight up. To know how far they can go if aimed more horizontally, one must know the shape of the earth.

Why do REs here go down the rabbit hole of arguing exact equations etc when there is a simple principle that will determine the point being debated? Complexity obscures, and RE should be looking for clarity and simplicity. Sometimes I think this is not about RE or FE but who has the most detailed scientific knowledge and math ability.

My point was that missiles that go a thousand miles or more will land in very different places on FE or RE. The people who test them have spent huge amounts of money tracking and instrumenting to know exactly where they are landing. Multiple countries have done this. There are 3 possibilities.

1. They know earth is round.
2. They know earth is flat.
3. All such systems have failed and none of the countries that desperately want to have their missiles hit a target have succeeded.

I do not care what the equation is. I care whether there is a giant worldwide conspiracy, required for case 2 or 3. Case 1 is ICBMs work and RE is true. Case 2 is ICBMs work and everyone involved with knows the earth is flat. Case 3 is everyone is an idiot and desperately trying to look like a genius, in which case it puzzles me that they could be so incompetent at aiming and so brilliant at faking it.

Do you think that no one knows where ICBMs will land? Because if someone knows, they know the shape of the earth. Multiple ranges and organizations in the US and more in other countries. Tracked by radar and gps and landing area instrumented with hydrophones.

The fact that people who are wrong about something can achieve great things does absolutely nothing to make them right on those other things.

You have to remember that correct science is not necessary, if fact it appears more and more that it is incorrect science that is necessary, for complicated things to simply just work.

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Philosophy, Religion & Society / Re: Trans athletes
« on: July 01, 2021, 03:44:02 PM »
Regardless of whether or not you want to call it a mental illness, it's a very real phenomenon that affects millions of people. And I don't believe that there's any risk to "security and privacy" from women accidentally catching a glimpse of male genitals. If you're making a new argument about predatory transwomen seeking access to women-only spaces for nefarious reasons, you're going to need to back that up with something other than your own intuition, because all evidence suggests that it quite simply doesn't happen.
Women are uncomfortable with it. We know this because they complain about it. Why does the comfort of a mentally ill man trump that of perfectly sane women?

The future is now.......https://matadornetwork.com/read/transparent-outdoor-toilets-tokyo/

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Philosophy, Religion & Society / Re: Translations of the Bible
« on: June 30, 2021, 02:10:46 PM »
Quite an impressive educational endeavor, I must admit.

As to the subject matter, when it comes to fiction, I find other works (the FE WIKI comes to mind) that are much more to my liking.

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Philosophy, Religion & Society / Re: Trump
« on: June 30, 2021, 02:04:57 PM »
But he's a serial grifter, a lot of this has been to raise money to fight the good fight (read "service his debts")

Which is the humorous part to all of this.  Why all of his supporters are enjoying the reach around he's giving them he's quietly picking all their pockets.

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Philosophy, Religion & Society / Re: President Joe Biden
« on: June 21, 2021, 05:45:36 PM »
assembled press who a) knew they would be there and b) felt in absolutely no mortal danger whatsoever?

You do realize there was this extremely minor, unimportant to American democracy, detail of certifying the votes of the electoral college happening in congress at that time that may have warranted media attendance at the capitol even though it's such a trivial thing.

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You'll likely be directed here:

https://wiki.tfes.org/Electromagnetic_Acceleration

for the bendy light explanation.  Under bendy light, the suns rays become more tangential the further they travel.  As a result of this, an equal change in the suns position would cause a changing length of shadow the further it goes from you.

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Science & Alternative Science / Re: FE and ICBMs
« on: June 18, 2021, 01:55:23 PM »
You contend that 159,000 lbs consisted of a, "majority of which is fuel," based on "what exactly?"

Based on the fact that it's going to be quite similar to this:

https://minutemanmissile.com/solidrocketboosters.html as well as this: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/LGM-30_Minuteman#:~:text=The%20Minuteman%2DIII%20has%20a,800%20ft%20(240%20m).

I'll highlight the pertinent points for the Minuteman II and III since it appears reading isn't your thang.

1st stage weight 51,251 lbs.  Fuel weight 45,670 lbs.
2nd stage weight 16,057 lbs. Fuel weight 13,680lbs.
3rd stage weight 8,187 lbs. Fuel weight 7,292 lbs.

In case math ain't your deal either, that's total stage weight 75,795.  Total fuel weight 66,642. With the total missile weight of 79,432 that would be 83+% fuel.  I'll give you credit for knowing the definition of majority.


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Any idea on the altitude and rate of travel achieved by the time of engine cut off? It is apparent you disagree with the 4500 km achieved at that time, contending an unpowered ballistic object can continue gaining a significant amount of altitude after impetus is removed.

Didn't take my advice on that high school physics class evidently.  I even pointed out the important things here like initial velocity and acceleration (hint: in this case it's G).  I did forget to mention how to calculate distance traveled.

Extremely curious how high you think a bullet travels when shot straight up.  You do realize a bullet is an 'unpowered ballistic object' once it leaves the barrel, right?

If you'd like to continue your 'Nuh uh!' game that's great.  But please, try not to embarrass yourself in the process.

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