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The AZ one is the more traditional type of vaccine - I had that one (not be choice particularly, that's just what they gave me)

Flat Earth Theory / Re: Why UA Violates the Equivalence Principle
« on: June 14, 2021, 02:52:03 PM »
I think it's fair to say that UA on its own cannot explain the observed variations in g.
So the two options are either a Bishopian denial that these variations exist, or the invocation of a second mechanism which, combined with UA, explain the variations.

The former is a hard sell. The latter...sure, that could work. But the Wiki page about it basically just says "some of us think this could be a thing" which feels like a bit of a cop out.
Unless there's any evidence for the other mechanism then isn't a more rational conclusion that the UA hypothesis is wrong?
One could argue that the variations in g are the evidence for another mechanism, but isn't that just circular reasoning?

A: I don't believe in a globe earth with gravity, I think the earth is flat
B: What keeps us sticking to it then?
A: The earth is accelerating upwards at 9.8m/s/s
B: But we can measure in variations in g in different places, you wouldn't get that if the earth was accelerating upwards at a constant rate.
A: Those variations are because the celestial bodies pull on us.
B: What's your evidence for that?
B: We can measure in variations in g in different places...


Advocates for Celestial Gravitation have to do better than say "we think this is a thing". Is this gravitation one way? If not then aren't all the objects on earth pulling on the celestial objects? Why don't they fall on us then? Does the amount of force they exert on us vary with distance? So as they rotate above us shouldn't g vary over the course of the day? Does that match the observations? And so on.

Flat Earth Theory / Re: Why UA Violates the Equivalence Principle
« on: June 14, 2021, 08:06:27 AM »
But according to UA, there are no variations in gravity.
This was false the last time I asked you to drop this cheap troll, and it continues to be false now.

Last chance!
How is it false? If a plane is accelerating upwards then it surely has to be doing so at the same rate at all points otherwise it would fragment.
So g should be the same everywhere.

If you are talking about Celestial Gravitation then you could use that to explain variations, but that isn't connected with UA, it's just another mechanism which is in play which when considered alongside UA can explain observations. UA on its own would lead to the same g everywhere, no?

Philosophy, Religion & Society / Re: Coronavirus Vaccine and You
« on: June 13, 2021, 09:24:38 PM »
Since you are having trouble significantly contradicting the articles
I'm having no trouble at all with that. You are having trouble understanding the arguments, but I don't know what I can do about that.
Remember the 2 days you spent not being able to understand a simple experiment with a laser and a boat, all the while claiming it was me who didn't understand it...then the penny finally dropped, you realised I was right so you just called it fake and ran away.
Or the time you didn't understand crepuscular rays so I made a 3D model which showed exactly what was going on and shows you screenshots from the relevant ran away from that one too.
But I'm glad you agree you have no particular authority. that is some progress at least.

Philosophy, Religion & Society / Re: Coronavirus Vaccine and You
« on: June 13, 2021, 09:20:04 PM »
Reuters duplicitously did not cite or provide the conversations in whole, so who knows what they really said?

Genuinely incredible that you posted this when selective quoting is your whole thing.
You often do it from articles which literally say the exact opposite of what you claim they say, but with selective quoting you deliberately misrepresent them.
The only question is whether you are being dishonest and hypocritical here or just trolling.

They probably didn't just say that the vaccine was risk-free in the full conversation. They most likely gave their criticism that he didn't prove enough and agreed with or otherwise submitted to the fact that there is risk to the vaccine, like many other doctors state.

Nothing is zero risk.
Do you drive? Are there are any car safety experts who will claim that is a zero risk activity? If so then they are lying. Of course there's a risk. So why do you do it? Because you believe the speed and convenience of getting where you want in car outweighs the low risk of dying or getting badly injured in a car wreck.

Almost everything in life carries an element of risk, the issue is how high is the risk? With vaccines - as with driving a car - the risk is pretty low. That is not an opinion, it's borne out by the data in both cases. The long term risks of vaccines are known as is the impact of them on diseases like measles.

Philosophy, Religion & Society / Re: Coronavirus Vaccine and You
« on: June 13, 2021, 09:00:53 PM »
The author of that Reuters article isn't a scientist either, and is unqualified to write that article or appropriately decipher the work or what the people interviewed are talking or complaining about

What are the qualifications of the author of the TFES Wiki?
Are they qualified to write those pages or decipher the work of the people it quotes?

Flat Earth Theory / Re: Why UA Violates the Equivalence Principle
« on: June 12, 2021, 08:03:33 AM »
There is not sufficient evidence of that.
QED  :)

By “not sufficient evidence” what you really mean is it’s a result which doesn’t conform to your world view so you simply dismiss it. This is how you roll. If the result showed what you wanted it to then you’d accept it without question or scrutiny. Had the experiment been conducted in a vacuum chamber you’d simply find a different excuse or make up some ad hoc mechanism to explain the result. And thus you get to cling to your beliefs.

There’s an entire field of study which uses variations in g to find minerals underground

I’m sure you have some excuse to explain that too. UA doesn’t work as an explanation, it’s just one of the many ad hoc mechanisms you use to explain why the world appears to be a spinning globe.

Philosophy, Religion & Society / Re: Coronavirus Vaccine and You
« on: June 11, 2021, 11:50:56 AM »
Tom, touting your viral immunologist as a Trump card has to be some of the most desperate tactics I’ve seen. You know who the vaccine was designed by, right? Instead of clinging to this sad, fallacious argument perhaps find out what other relevant scientists are saying?
This is Tom's MO.
I think we can all agree that there will be a range of opinions even amongst experts and there will be some outliers who have views which are not shared by the majority of experts in a field. So you can find an "expert" who will back up any viewpoint - especially if you are even more honest and quote part of what they say out of context to make it look like they're saying something other than what they're actually saying.

So this is what Tom does, he just finds the expert with the extreme opinion which backs up what he wants to hear and declares them as his star witness. All the other expert opinions are ignored or disregarded. Very dishonest way of arguing but Tom's gotta Tom I guess.

Flat Earth Theory / Re: Why UA Violates the Equivalence Principle
« on: June 11, 2021, 05:55:50 AM »
The real reason that UA doesn’t work as an explanation is we observe inconsistencies in g across the globe, in a way consistent with a rotating sphere. You weigh less at the equator than the poles, for example. That would not be the case if the earth were flat and accelerating upwards.
The equivalence principle only works in the local context.

FE either denies variations in gravity, or mutters something about Celestial Gravitation although the Wiki page about that literally just says “this might be a thing”.

I have found my way out of globalist thought.
Out of interest, how did you come to that conclusion?

Science & Alternative Science / Re: FE and ICBMs
« on: June 10, 2021, 03:00:17 PM »

The bottom line for all of this thread is this.

The only evidence that exists for ICBM's is some propaganda and gullible believers.

I've been happy to let you go on and on.  Give a man enough rope kind of thing

But Jesus F*&@ing Christ.

As for Dear Leader go ahead and look foolish as long as you'd like.

Bye now!
Pff. You can prove anything with facts.
So what now, Lackey? CGI? We weren't there so can't know it happened? There's always some excuse...

Science & Alternative Science / NASA and China sitting in a tree...
« on: June 10, 2021, 02:10:43 PM »
...on Mars.

I thought this was interesting. So I guess now NASA are faking images of other countries' craft I guess to keep the whole "spaceflight is a thing" ruse going?

Science & Alternative Science / Re: The June Eclipse
« on: June 10, 2021, 02:02:41 PM »
I also managed to take a photo of the shadow object from sunny London

Actually quite cloudy London and for a while I thought that had scuppered my attempt, but then it cleared a bit. I don't have a solar filter or anything so that's a reflection in a bucket of water I took into the garden, just took it on my Phone. Quite pleased with it though.

Philosophy, Religion & Society / Re: Trans athletes
« on: June 08, 2021, 12:07:35 PM »
Tbh, I've always thought that people "identifying as"... was complete horseshit, but rooster's link about brain structure was interesting and has made me think twice.

Philosophy, Religion & Society / Re: Trump
« on: June 07, 2021, 01:30:19 PM »
Eh.  The Biden's are like a thousand years old.  It's unreasonable to expected them to look like movies stars. I'd be surprised if Tom looks much different at that age.

In other news, so Trump was wearing his pants backwards?

Obviously we need a full investigation into these allegations.

One can only imagine he was trying to restart Kriss Kross's career [who, fun fact, I saw live once, supporting Michael Jackson]

Philosophy, Religion & Society / Re: Trans athletes
« on: June 05, 2021, 07:04:01 AM »
I can't pretend to know what a trans person is thinking, but I can try to imagine what it would be like to feel so out of place with your body that you'd rather transition and put up with all this bullshit just to feel like yourself.

I don’t think anyone is denying that this is a real thing or that people who feel that way need help. The question is what the right help to give them is.

As Rushy has pointed out, medical consensus changes over time and this is a relatively new thing - new in the sense of it being a recognised condition.
There are all kinds of conditions where people feel that they aren’t right the way they are. Anorexics believe they are too fat when they are dangerously underweight. The treatment isn’t to help then lose more weight.
People with body dysmorphia believe they have flaws in their appearance which don’t exist. The treatment isn’t plastic surgery. 
It seems that this is the only condition of this nature where the “right” thing to do is now seen to be to pander to the person’s delusion.
It’s emperor’s new gender. He’s saying he’s a woman and instead of people going “hang on, what’s with the Adam’s apple and cock then?” people are just going along with it.

Philosophy, Religion & Society / Re: Trans athletes
« on: June 04, 2021, 10:32:18 PM »
I’m not convinced that pandering to people’s psychological issues is helping them.
The current medical consensus is that gender dysphoria is much more nuanced and complex than "psychological issues", and gaining official recognition as the gender you choose to identify with is a lengthy process filled with painful obstacles - not quite the same as "deciding that you identify as a woman".

The general public have a very elevated opinion of their understanding of these sort of issues, but when it comes to actually showing that understanding, it usually turns out to be vanishingly small. Any argument here will be meaningless if we don't even know what we're arguing about.
I'm interested in how selective you (plural) are about how much weight to give to the consensus of experts...

I was being flippant in my first post, admittedly. But there surely has to be something psychological going on here. We are, after all, talking about how people feel. My maleness is not a subjective opinion, it's determined by my biology and chromosomes. What makes me "feel" male? What does that even mean? I don't know how it "feels" to be female. I imagine there is some nurture element going on, society treats males and females differently, parents bring up boys and girls differently. That has to have an effect.

This is obviously a complicated subject. And fine, I'm not an expert on this. But just because someone feels something, that doesn't mean they're correct and that we should all pander to the way they feel. Where does that start and end?

Philosophy, Religion & Society / Re: Trans athletes
« on: June 04, 2021, 10:13:30 PM »
Gender dysphoria is sometimes very extreme. People self harm, hate themselves, have thoughts of or actually commit suicide. If a surgery alleviates those symptoms and gives them the body they identify with, then yes it is a huge relief. I know a couple transpeople who have completely different and happier lives after transitioning.
There are also conditions where people hate a certain limb and want it amputated. Should they just be given surgery to do that?
It might alleviate the condition but it would obviously make their lives harder in other ways which would require them to have help.
Obviously people with these conditions need help, the debate is surely how best to help them. It doesn't feel like lopping their cocks off is the right way of doing it.

Philosophy, Religion & Society / Re: Trans athletes
« on: June 04, 2021, 10:09:58 PM »
I can't believe some of you are this upset about pronouns and genitals. It's really not that complicated or difficult to just.. respect people and not worry about their lives.

I can respect someone and also not think that society should have to pander to their delusion. And I'm sorry if you don't like the word delusion, but what else do you call it? I am male, and I'm human. That's not an opinion, it's not subjective, it's encoded in my DNA.
You're going to make a distinction between gender and sex of course, it's a completely spurious distinction. How many made up genders are we up to now? I'm not saying that people don't really feel these things and yes, they should get treatment. But I don't think that treatment should involve cutting bits off of them or sticking other bits on or pumping them full of drugs to try and simulate the gender they think they are.

What's one good reason a 16 year old girl, with standard female estrogen levels, can't play soccer with other girls?
If the 16 year old girl you're talking about is called Barry and has a cock then it's because they're not a girl.
Them thinking they are doesn't make them correct.

The only people I ever see complaining about this are transphobes who are not affected by it whatsoever.
It's not transphobic to think that certain sports are better being single sex. In things like snooker and darts there is a mix and it works fine, they're not sports which rely on physical strength or size, there's no inherent advantage in being male or female. In sports like tennis, athletics or football (soccer, for you Yanks) - and in most sports really - there's a clear advantage for males.
Does it affect me? I guess not. And I disagree with the notion that it affects the whole of the sport as someone said above. But it's part of the pandering which I actually believe is counter-productive and not ultimately helping people in the right way.

If the International Olympic Committee can allow transpeople to compete in their respective sports, then why the hell would a high school be pressed about it?
That's fair, but I think the IOC have incorrectly bowed to politically correct peer pressure. Two wrongs don't make a right.

Philosophy, Religion & Society / Re: Coronavirus Vaccine and You
« on: June 04, 2021, 06:57:56 PM »
I am still not vaccinated. I'm sure it's only a matter of time before I die horribly from the flu.
Or, more likely, you won’t get that ill (if you’re fairly young) but you could pass it into someone who is at risk. Or you could get long Covid which I know people who have had and it isn’t super fun.
This isn’t just the flu. It might not be an “ZOMG LETS SHUT DOWN THE COUNTRY” level event either but it’s definitely a situation which demanded a response.

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