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Philosophy, Religion & Society / Re: Bye Bye Abortion
« on: Today at 02:54:01 PM »
If you aren't interested in having an honest conversation, you should just avoid me instead of looking lying to try and make me look bad.
He never is. We bypassed homicide being the number one cause of death to pregnant women and are back on first trimester abortion is murder that apparently matters more than the woman. There's no point.

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Philosophy, Religion & Society / Re: Bye Bye Abortion
« on: June 29, 2022, 09:32:55 PM »
Legally speaking, there is a difference between person and natural person.

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Legal person refers to a human or non-human entity that is treated as a person for limited legal purposes.

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In law, a human person is called a natural person (sometimes also a physical person), and a non-human person is called a juridical person (sometimes also a juridic, juristic, artificial, legal, or fictitious person, Latin: persona ficta).

I should have specified "natural" not "legal" but I'm not a lawyer and so got it mixed up.

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Philosophy, Religion & Society / Re: Bye Bye Abortion
« on: June 29, 2022, 09:15:11 PM »
https://www.law.cornell.edu/cfr/text/28/94.102

Seems a crime victim is a person

You are just flat-out wrong.

So, there you have it.

An unborn fetus is a person.
This is just so lazy. You're telling me I'm wrong for pasting a literal law that explicitly excludes abortions and pretending like you understand legal terms better than people who write the laws.

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Philosophy, Religion & Society / Re: Bye Bye Abortion
« on: June 29, 2022, 04:34:39 PM »
Also for a fun statistic, the number one cause of death for pregnant women is homicide. A lot of women don't know they're even pregnant by six weeks (which is the ban limit in TN now). Let's watch those homicides go up when women are forced to carry unwanted pregnancies.
Unremarkably, the perp would face TWO counts of homicide. Are you arguing the charge for the second should be dropped because no human was killed?
Can't believe someone made a throw away just to say that smh
The consent of the pregnant woman makes the entire difference.

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The Unborn Victims of Violence Act of 2004 (Public Law 108-212) is a United States law that recognizes an embryo or fetus in utero as a legal victim, if they are injured or killed during the commission of any of over 60 listed federal crimes of violence.
*Note that is says legal victim, not legal person

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Bars prosecution under this Act: (1) of any person for conduct relating to an abortion for which the consent of the pregnant woman (or a person authorized by law to act on her behalf) has been obtained or is implied by law or for conduct relating to any medical treatment of the pregnant woman or her unborn child; or (2) of any woman with respect to her unborn child.
This is also called the Laci and Connor's (Peterson) Law where Laci was 8 months pregnant. Looking around some legal sites, some have a prerequisite on how far along the fetus needs to be and specify death must be the result of a malicious and violent criminal act.

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Philosophy, Religion & Society / Re: Bye Bye Abortion
« on: June 28, 2022, 08:47:24 PM »
That seems pretty unlikely.
For now it might seem unlikely, but also seems pretty fucking dangerous to assume it will stay that way given the political climate here in the states and how SCOTUS has their eyes on rolling back other rulings that protect contraception, same-sex relationships, and same-sex marriages. We have extremists here and the conservatives are not afraid to pander to them.

There's a lot of complexity and nuance here which too many people on both sides don't acknowledge.
Ah yes, the GOP is well known for their nuance and delicate handling of complex issues.

I'm starting to sound like a broken record here but less than 1% of abortions happen in the third trimester and it's almost exclusively for medical emergencies. Women don't go around carrying fetuses for that long and then decide to get rid of it for fun. Meanwhile, states are jumping on this with their trigger laws. I don't know if you're aware, but states have been pushing things for awhile now - weird rules on forcing clinics to have hallways that are a specific width (for example) all as an excuse to close them down if they're not meeting these arbitrary codes. Women's health clinics don't need hallways to be that big btw because they're not pushing a bunch of patients around on gurneys. It doesn't take a huge leap to think they might eventually ban all abortion. I mean, it was only 2012 when an Irish woman died because she was having a miscarriage but doctors weren't allowed to intervene because the fetus still had a heartbeat. Kinda weird to assume the USA in 2022 won't also be that heinous.
https://www.usnews.com/news/best-countries/articles/2022-06-27/the-story-behind-irelands-abortion-ban-and-its-reversal

Also for a fun statistic, the number one cause of death for pregnant women is homicide. A lot of women don't know they're even pregnant by six weeks (which is the ban limit in TN now). Let's watch those homicides go up when women are forced to carry unwanted pregnancies.

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Philosophy, Religion & Society / Re: Bye Bye Abortion
« on: June 28, 2022, 07:44:03 PM »
Hell yeah, can't wait for ectopic pregnancies to be a death sentence in the USofA.

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Philosophy, Religion & Society / Re: Bye Bye Abortion
« on: June 27, 2022, 02:03:57 AM »
Yeah, there's no cultural swing. And there's no reason to be focusing on late term abortions.

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Philosophy, Religion & Society / Re: Bye Bye Abortion
« on: June 27, 2022, 12:15:51 AM »
Tom, what is your actual point? You're happy RvW has been overturned because less than 1% of abortions are during the third trimester? Gr8 deb8 m8

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Philosophy, Religion & Society / Re: Bye Bye Abortion
« on: June 26, 2022, 08:26:02 PM »
Oh boy, not the late term abortion boogeyman.  ::) They are incredibly rare but might become less so if abortions are difficult to get in a timely manner.

https://theconversation.com/less-than-1-of-abortions-take-place-in-the-third-trimester-heres-why-people-get-them-182580

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Philosophy, Religion & Society / Re: Bye Bye Abortion
« on: June 24, 2022, 04:16:25 PM »
Regardless of what you think of the decision to reverse Roe v. Wade, legislatures saw this coming from miles away. If you want abortion to be a properly protected act, then you need to pass a law (state or federal) that treats it as such. Relying on a historically flimsy and controversial court case to legislate from the bench is a mistake.
100%
No one bothering to make it law has been a huge issue in this. We've known this was coming for quite some time and birth control is on shaky ground.

If you don't like what's going on, then you should of course blame your local government and federal representatives for allowing it to happen.
Yes. Unfortunately, politicians are mostly trash.

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Arts & Entertainment / Re: Just Watched
« on: June 10, 2022, 04:23:43 PM »
RRR was very good. It has over the top action, wholesome male friendship, and a great musical number. You'll laugh, you'll cry, it's a gr8 time.

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Philosophy, Religion & Society / Re: Bye Bye Abortion
« on: May 19, 2022, 07:25:47 PM »
Condoms fail when people put then on wrong.  Or buy the wrong size.  Or wear two at once like an idiot.
Otherwise they work really well. I trust it over any medication.
Yes and my point is that women have birth control pills and they're more heavily relied upon than condoms so there's no reason men shouldn't also have birth control pills if the science allows it.

Obviously if everyone wore condoms correctly every time they had sex we wouldn't be having this conversation.

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Philosophy, Religion & Society / Re: Bye Bye Abortion
« on: May 19, 2022, 05:31:46 PM »
Male birth control exists.
Its called a condom.  Men just hate it.

Also, vasectamy. Totally reversable but ya know... Thats evil to suggest men get them until they want kids.
Condoms are more prone to failure than other forms of birth control, but yeah are generally good sense to use for STDs. Vasectomy reversals can be pricey and there is about a 90-95% chance of success on top of it being a surgery which a lot of people aren't super comfortable with. Men tend to get vasectomies when they're done having kids rather than temporary birth control which is understandable.

So obviously I'm talking about medication - something that would help put the shared burden on guys instead of assuming all women are or should be on hormonal birth control.

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Philosophy, Religion & Society / Re: Bye Bye Abortion
« on: May 19, 2022, 03:52:41 PM »
I saw an article talking about male birth control being tested. COMING SOONTM!
They've been working on them for awhile, but are slow going because of side effects which women already deal with when taking birth control. Which is good, but I wish they'd take this kind of care with female birth control.

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Most compounds currently undergoing clinical trials target the male sex hormone testosterone, which could lead to side effects such as weight gain, depression and increased low-density lipoprotein (known as LDL) cholesterol levels. “We wanted to develop a non-hormonal male contraceptive to avoid these side effects,”
https://www.acs.org/content/acs/en/pressroom/newsreleases/2022/march/non-hormonal-pill-could-soon-expand-mens-birth-control-options.html

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Philosophy, Religion & Society / Re: Bye Bye Abortion
« on: May 19, 2022, 03:34:31 PM »
I don't see why this is so hard to figure out.



What about men?  Could tell them not to have sex too.
Semen is always encouraged to flow freely and abundantly. Shame we still don't have male birth control.

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Philosophy, Religion & Society / Re: Bye Bye Abortion
« on: May 15, 2022, 09:28:19 PM »
Ah, yes. The very democratic process of letting the minority (rural counties) decide that women should have sex only for procreation. All super original points that are very logical, efficient, and have historically worked super well everywhere it was implemented. Thanks, Tom!

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Arts & Entertainment / Re: Eurovision 2022
« on: May 15, 2022, 03:44:39 AM »
Yep, to no one's surprise, Ukraine won.


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Philosophy, Religion & Society / Re: NATO Shenanigans
« on: May 13, 2022, 03:49:42 PM »
Sweden is well known for its terrorists.  There was even a documentary made about it.

https://www.imdb.com/title/tt0095016/
German, not Swedish.

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Philosophy, Religion & Society / Re: Bye Bye Abortion
« on: May 12, 2022, 05:41:17 PM »
It's honestly surprising the lack of imagination some men can have about going through a pregnancy. I was only 6 weeks in and I couldn't do or eat anything for about half the day every day because I was so floored by nausea. I'm even open to trying to have a kid in the near-ish future and everything about it is still terrifying. Talking to my friends/family who have had kids makes it even worse tbh because they don't have good stories to tell. Someone in my family recently had a hysterectomy because her bladder was prolapsed because her uterine walls were weaker since having kids, something that's fairly common but not talked about.

This country can't even mandate paid parental leave. Imagine going through an 18 hour labor, still needing an emergency c-section, and then having to go back to work asap because you can't afford not to but you also have to pay a ridiculous amount of money for child care. Oh but you're also going through horrible postpartum depression.

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Overall, the average child care cost for one child in 2020 was $612/week for a nanny (up from $565/week in 2019), $340/week for a child care or day care center (up from $182/week) and $300/week for a family care center (up from $177/week).
https://www.care.com/c/how-much-does-child-care-cost/

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