[totallackey]

https://eu.usatoday.com/story/money/economy/2019/03/20/how-much-federal-funding-each-state-receives-government/39202299/

https://www.usgovernmentrevenue.com/federal_revenue_by_state.php

Ex: California.
Population: 40 million.
40m x $12 = $480 million for people.
$436.1 billion in total from Feds.
Total paid in taxes: $456.6 Billion.

So California gives more than it takes.


Kentucky:
Population: 4.5 million.
4.5m x $9,145 = $41.1 Billion for people.
Total taxes given by the feds: $70.8 billion
Total paid in taxes: $34.8 Billion

So Kentucky takes more than it gives.

From the same article, which I read before I made my post.

40. California
• Net federal funding: $12 per resident

[Lord Dave]

Yes and?
Means the federal government only gives $12/ person in aide.  Averaged out.  This is not total spent on a state, is included in my post (see 40m x $12), and is irrelevant to the discussion as the total funds are what we need to know.

[totallackey]

Yes and?
Means the federal government only gives $12/ person in aide.  Averaged out.  This is not total spent on a state, is included in my post (see 40m x $12), and is irrelevant to the discussion as the total funds are what we need to know.

Actually it means the state of California, at the end of the day, receives a net dollar amount from the federal government.

[Lord Dave]

Fair enough.  I read it as the amount, per person, given in federal funds to the people.

So then, CA is really closer to even then Kentucky.  And no state gives more than it gets.


So yes, the original statement was false.

[JSS]

Fair enough.  I read it as the amount, per person, given in federal funds to the people.

So then, CA is really closer to even then Kentucky.  And no state gives more than it gets.

So yes, the original statement was false.

That is logically incorrect.  If no state gives more than it gets, where does the money come from? That's flat out impossible.

Some states give more than they get, some states take more than they give.

Also everyone needs to keep in mind these numbers change year to year.  California historically gave more then they got, to the tune of getting $0.80 back for every $1 they sent. Currently they are just about even, I think they might get a little more than they give this past year or two, the wildfires really hammered them and they got a lot of funds to help.

But what is still very true is most states that give are Blue states, most that take are Red.  This shouldn't be a surprise, blue states tend to be more wealthy. Nothing controversial about that, but I can understand why Republicans want to spin it otherwise. They are so obsessed with 'makers and takers' after all.

[totallackey]

Fair enough.  I read it as the amount, per person, given in federal funds to the people.

So then, CA is really closer to even then Kentucky.  And no state gives more than it gets.

So yes, the original statement was false.

That is logically incorrect.  If no state gives more than it gets, where does the money come from? That's flat out impossible.

Some states give more than they get, some states take more than they give.

Also everyone needs to keep in mind these numbers change year to year.  California historically gave more then they got, to the tune of getting $0.80 back for every $1 they sent. Currently they are just about even, I think they might get a little more than they give this past year or two, the wildfires really hammered them and they got a lot of funds to help.

But what is still very true is most states that give are Blue states, most that take are Red.  This shouldn't be a surprise, blue states tend to be more wealthy. Nothing controversial about that, but I can understand why Republicans want to spin it otherwise. They are so obsessed with 'makers and takers' after all.

Given the demonstrated and historically consistent inability of the blue states to keep accurate track of anything entrusted to them, it is highly likely the numbers released by the states are a flat out lie.

[totallackey]

Okay... I get that what he's describing is tribalistic, but in what way is what he described incompatible with the workings of a constitutional republic?

I refer you to two articles:

https://nymag.com/intelligencer/2017/09/can-democracy-survive-tribalism.html

https://www.theatlantic.com/magazine/archive/2018/10/the-threat-of-tribalism/568342/

I could provide more if you like...

[Roundy]

Tom, I don't normally ask this, but what the fuck is wrong with you? Here you are sitting on the obvious cure for coronavirus, championed by Qualified Medical Professional^TM Dr. Thomas Levy, and you're using that vital information to troll argue with a bunch of strangers on the internet??

Dude, you need to call Dr Fauci or Dr Birx (whoever would be easier) and get them this information. I mean, seriously, have they never looked into the research of Qualified Medical Professional^TM Dr Thomas Levy? I mean, you would think Trump would want the best and brightest working on this, not a bunch of charlatans who apparently have no idea just how powerful a curative Vitamin C is!

Tom, if you can't get a hold of Dr Birx or Dr Fauci directly, at least hit up President Trump on Twitter. The President always seems able to find time for Twitter no matter how busy he is (like golfing). So maybe you can convince him to talk to his team of "professionals" (who don't even know how powerful a cure Vitamin C is  ) and get the word to them.

I can even imagine it. "Yeah, you know, there's a fantastic new substance, real gamechanger in the world of medical, they're calling it 'Vitamin C', I guess A and B were already taken, or maybe it stands for 'cure', I don't know, I'll have Jared look into it, but it's a gamechanger, kills cancers, kills viruses, probably kills gingivitis, but it's a gamechanger, can we look into that please Deborah?"

Tom, you could be saving thousands of lives, and you're wasting your time trolling arguing on the internet? Come on man!

[Tom Bishop]

What do you mean no one knows about it? Doctors are using Vitamin C to treat Coronavirus patients, like in China.

New York hospitals treating coronavirus patients with vitamin C - New York Post

[Roundy]

What do you mean no one know about it? Doctors are using Vitamin C to treat Coronavirus patients, like in China.

New York hospitals treating coronavirus patients with vitamin C - New York Post

Even more reason you should be getting the news out! Can you confirm that Drs Fauci and Birx are aware of its miraculous healing powers?

Your article even highlights the problem. Only 700 people across 23 hospitals in NY are receiving the treatment! Such an amazing cure-all should surely be used with everybody who has the virus. Get on Twitter, remind the President of Qualified Medical Professional^TM Dr Thomas Levy's groundbreaking research, and maybe you can save some lives instead of wasting your time looking smugly superior to a bunch of strangers on the internet.

[totallackey]

What do you mean no one know about it? Doctors are using Vitamin C to treat Coronavirus patients, like in China.

New York hospitals treating coronavirus patients with vitamin C - New York Post

Even more reason you should be getting the news out! Can you confirm that Drs Fauci and Birx are aware of its miraculous healing powers?

Your article even highlights the problem. Only 700 people across 23 hospitals in NY are receiving the treatment! Such an amazing cure-all should surely be used with everybody who has the virus. Get on Twitter, remind the President of Qualified Medical Professional^TM Dr Thomas Levy's groundbreaking research, and maybe you can save some lives instead of wasting your time looking smugly superior to a bunch of strangers on the internet.

Maybe when you realize they call it a PRACTICE for a reason...

and...

Fauci and Birx could actually give two shits less about the people of the United States...

You can answer your own question and lay off of Tom for sharing some info he saw fit to share.

[Lord Dave]

Fair enough.  I read it as the amount, per person, given in federal funds to the people.

So then, CA is really closer to even then Kentucky.  And no state gives more than it gets.

So yes, the original statement was false.

That is logically incorrect.  If no state gives more than it gets, where does the money come from? That's flat out impossible.

America has a national debt every year.  So it spends more than it gets.
So not logically impossible.  But it does require more verification.

But what is still very true is most states that give are Blue states, most that take are Red.  This shouldn't be a surprise, blue states tend to be more wealthy. Nothing controversial about that, but I can understand why Republicans want to spin it otherwise. They are so obsessed with 'makers and takers' after all.

This is a accurate.  Red states are often poorer than blue and need more federal aid.

[Roundy]

https://thehill.com/opinion/white-house/494749-as-the-comeback-kid-trump-will-win-over-persuadable-voters

Maybe I'm just an optimist, but the sheer amount of spin this conservative columnist has to use to show that Trump has an edge in the coming election only gives me more hope that he will lose.

[stack]

Holy shit, can we stop making this thread about totallackey and his incoherent political ideology? We're supposed to be discussing Trump.

https://twitter.com/realDonaldTrump/status/1254782650679615492

On the notion of basically admitting that he's deliberately withholding federal aid from Democrat-run states.

DJT: Why should the people and taxpayers of America be bailing out poorly run states (like Illinois, as example) and cities, in all cases Democrat run and managed, when most of the other states are not looking for bailout help? I am open to discussing anything, but just asking?

Answer: Because many Democratic Blue states like California, Illinois, and New York pay much more in taxes to the federal government than they receive in federal services. By contrast, many GOP Red states like Kentucky and Tennessee take in more money than they give—like welfare states.

The answer you wrote or quoted is just a flat out lie.

California has a net receipt from the federal government.

As always, just you saying something you would like to believe without backing it up. Citation requested for your musing because your musing is the flat out lie. See Lord Dave's summation.

[Dr David Thork]

Trump dropped this meme on Twitter.



You should vote Trump back in. He's a funny guy.

[stack]

Trump dropped this meme on Twitter.



You should vote Trump back in. He's a funny guy.

How very presidential and leader of the free world of him.

[Lord Dave]

Holy shit, can we stop making this thread about totallackey and his incoherent political ideology? We're supposed to be discussing Trump.

https://twitter.com/realDonaldTrump/status/1254782650679615492

On the notion of basically admitting that he's deliberately withholding federal aid from Democrat-run states.

DJT: Why should the people and taxpayers of America be bailing out poorly run states (like Illinois, as example) and cities, in all cases Democrat run and managed, when most of the other states are not looking for bailout help? I am open to discussing anything, but just asking?

Answer: Because many Democratic Blue states like California, Illinois, and New York pay much more in taxes to the federal government than they receive in federal services. By contrast, many GOP Red states like Kentucky and Tennessee take in more money than they give—like welfare states.

The answer you wrote or quoted is just a flat out lie.

California has a net receipt from the federal government.

As always, just you saying something you would like to believe without backing it up. Citation requested for your musing because your musing is the flat out lie. See Lord Dave's summation.

And if you read the rest of the thread, you'd know I made an error.
That said, Blue states use far less per person than red.

[Dr David Thork]

Trump dropped this meme on Twitter.

...

You should vote Trump back in. He's a funny guy.

How very presidential and leader of the free world of him.

Leftists have no sense of humour. Its how I know that I'm on the good side and that you're championing evil. Well that and all your endorsements come from witches like Pelosi and Clinton.

[stack]

Trump dropped this meme on Twitter.

...

You should vote Trump back in. He's a funny guy.

How very presidential and leader of the free world of him.

Leftists have no sense of humour. Its how I know that I'm on the good side and that you're championing evil. Well that and all your endorsements come from witches like Pelosi and Clinton.

Untrue, I'm usually very easily amused. Just not so much during this pandemic business and the Executive branch guidance I would prefer to be the focus rather than deep fake tweets for laughs.

[stack]

What do you mean no one knows about it? Doctors are using Vitamin C to treat Coronavirus patients, like in China.

New York hospitals treating coronavirus patients with vitamin C - New York Post

It's more complicated than your source lets on. Here's an explainer:

People are falsely claiming that vitamin C cures the coronavirus. Here's what you need to know.

Hospitals are giving COVID-19 patients vitamin C because their levels are running low. It does not mean it's a 'cure.'
New York hospitals began treating patients with vitamin C, based on reports that it's helped people in China. The doses are 16 times the recommended daily dose.

"The patients who received vitamin C did significantly better than those who did not get vitamin C," Northwell Health critical care specialist Dr. Andrew G. Weber told the New York Post.

Patel says the reason that works is because, when people get really sick, their vitamin C levels get depleted and may need replenishing.

"Humans are one of the only mammals who don't make their own vitamin C — they have to ingest it," he told Insider. "So when we encounter severe physiological stress, vitamin C through IV is a possibility for reducing runaway oxidation and inflammation."

There's research that suggests there's some benefit to giving patients on ventilators vitamin C, but scientists don't know it will react with Covid-19.
https://www.insider.com/what-you-need-to-know-about-vitamin-c-and-coronavirus-2020-4