Re: Why not send a drone to fly over Antarctica?
« Reply #20 on: April 17, 2015, 08:34:08 PM »

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Re: Why not send a drone to fly over Antarctica?
« Reply #21 on: April 17, 2015, 08:47:14 PM »
What is the flight route that is taken?

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Re: Why not send a drone to fly over Antarctica?
« Reply #22 on: April 17, 2015, 08:50:19 PM »
What about the route the "long way" around, who is going in that direction?

Re: Why not send a drone to fly over Antarctica?
« Reply #23 on: April 17, 2015, 09:08:11 PM »
What is the flight route that is taken?
Why does that matter? It can be assumed that the planes take the shortest route possible, showing that the north and south are the same size

Re: Why not send a drone to fly over Antarctica?
« Reply #24 on: April 17, 2015, 09:13:20 PM »
What about the route the "long way" around, who is going in that direction?
I'm not entirely sure as to what you mean

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Re: Why not send a drone to fly over Antarctica?
« Reply #25 on: April 17, 2015, 09:14:06 PM »
Why does that matter?

The route determines the distance and at what speed they travel.

It can be assumed that the planes take the shortest route possible, showing that the north and south are the same size

That is not a good assumption. For example, a flight from California to Georgia will take the route that takes it through the Jetstream, resulting in a longer distance but faster time flight. However, the flight from Georgia to California will avoid the Jetstream as much as possible and will generally be a shorter distance but longer time flight.

Much more goes into flight travel than just plotting a straight line on a map.

Re: Why not send a drone to fly over Antarctica?
« Reply #26 on: April 17, 2015, 09:21:17 PM »
Why does that matter?
Thank you for clarifying. Even with these changes, is it possible to deny the similar sizes of hemisphere?

The route determines the distance and at what speed they travel.

It can be assumed that the planes take the shortest route possible, showing that the north and south are the same size

That is not a good assumption. For example, a flight from California to Georgia will take the route that takes it through the Jetstream, resulting in a longer distance but faster time flight. However, the flight from Georgia to California will avoid the Jetstream as much as possible and will generally be a shorter distance but longer time flight.

Much more goes into flight travel than just plotting a straight line on a map.

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Re: Why not send a drone to fly over Antarctica?
« Reply #27 on: April 18, 2015, 02:06:36 AM »
A flight from Australia to Argentina or vice-versa would be most efficient if the aircraft took a route that looped into the northern part of the disc and out back to the southern portion.

Re: Why not send a drone to fly over Antarctica?
« Reply #28 on: April 18, 2015, 09:59:38 AM »
A flight from Australia to Argentina or vice-versa would be most efficient if the aircraft took a route that looped into the northern part of the disc and out back to the southern portion.
Firstly, the plane would only do that if the pilot a) believed in FET, and b) was a allowed to use it for navigation, both of which are incredible unlikely. Secondly, even if the pilot took the most efficient FET route, there should still be a massive disparity between the northern and southern flight times, which simply isn't there.

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Re: Why not send a drone to fly over Antarctica?
« Reply #29 on: April 18, 2015, 12:45:03 PM »
Firstly, the plane would only do that if the pilot a) believed in FET, and b) was a allowed to use it for navigation, both of which are incredible unlikely. Secondly, even if the pilot took the most efficient FET route, there should still be a massive disparity between the northern and southern flight times, which simply isn't there.
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Re: Why not send a drone to fly over Antarctica?
« Reply #30 on: April 18, 2015, 01:42:59 PM »
Firstly, the plane would only do that if the pilot a) believed in FET, and b) was a allowed to use it for navigation, both of which are incredible unlikely. Secondly, even if the pilot took the most efficient FET route, there should still be a massive disparity between the northern and southern flight times, which simply isn't there.
Substantiate your claims.
By all means:
The vast majority of the world thinks the earth is round, and so it is unlikely that the pilot would believe in FET, and no airlines use FET for navigation. Therefore, the route the planes take would just be a direct one in the RET map, with no circling north.
Secondly, in the FET map the southernmost countries are very far away from each other, being on the rim, while the northernmost countries are close to each other, being near the hub. In the RET map, the southernmost countries are fairly close to each other, being near the south Pole, while the northernmost countries are fairly near each other, being near the north pole. Therefore, if FET was correct, it should take longer to fly between southern countries than it would to fly between northern countries, while of RET was correct, it should take the same time to fly between northern countries as it does southern countries. As shown in the links posted earlier, the flight times between northern countries and between southern countries is nearly the same, showing that RET is correct.

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Re: Why not send a drone to fly over Antarctica?
« Reply #31 on: April 18, 2015, 02:12:57 PM »
The vast majority of the world thinks the earth is round
Ad populum.

and so it is unlikely that the pilot would believe in FET, and no airlines use FET for navigation.
Irrelevant.

Therefore, the route the planes take would just be a direct one in the RET map, with no circling north.
Does not follow from the premise. The route the planes will take will be exactly what their navigation tells them to take.

Secondly, in the FET map the southernmost countries are very far away from each other, being on the rim, while the northernmost countries are close to each other, being near the hub.
Your failure to interpret the map is not my problem. Tintagel already explained this in one of the threads you necroed.
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Re: Why not send a drone to fly over Antarctica?
« Reply #32 on: April 18, 2015, 02:31:38 PM »
The vast majority of the world thinks the earth is round
Ad populum.

and so it is unlikely that the pilot would believe in FET, and no airlines use FET for navigation.
Irrelevant.

Therefore, the route the planes take would just be a direct one in the RET map, with no circling north.
Does not follow from the premise. The route the planes will take will be exactly what their navigation tells them to take.

Secondly, in the FET map the southernmost countries are very far away from each other, being on the rim, while the northernmost countries are close to each other, being near the hub.
Your failure to interpret the map is not my problem. Tintagel already explained this in one of the threads you necroed.
Whether it is ad populum or not is irrelevant, as the point is that the navigation system used would be RET. This fact is relevant, because "where the navigation system tells it to go" would be a direct (ish) route in RET terms. Also, in the other thread the guy didn't explain how to read the map, he merely referred readers to the wiki (which doesn't explain it). Abbs what is necroing?

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Re: Why not send a drone to fly over Antarctica?
« Reply #33 on: April 18, 2015, 04:49:23 PM »
What is the flight route that is taken?
Why does that matter? It can be assumed that the planes take the shortest route possible, showing that the north and south are the same size

If the flights between two countries are 14 hours long, that only tells us that the countries are that distance apart. No one charted the FE maps 100%. How do we know how far apart the countries are gong to "long way" around the earth?

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Re: Why not send a drone to fly over Antarctica?
« Reply #34 on: April 18, 2015, 05:06:28 PM »
Whether it is ad populum or not is irrelevant, as the point is that the navigation system used would be RET. This fact is relevant, because "where the navigation system tells it to go" would be a direct (ish) route in RET terms.
Substantiate your claims.

Abbs what is necroing?
The term refers to posting in very old threads. This is usually viewed as negative unless you're providing a valuable contribution to said threads.

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Re: Why not send a drone to fly over Antarctica?
« Reply #35 on: April 18, 2015, 05:18:16 PM »
What is the flight route that is taken?
Why does that matter? It can be assumed that the planes take the shortest route possible, showing that the north and south are the same size

If the flights between two countries are 14 hours long, that only tells us that the countries are that distance apart. No one charted the FE maps 100%. How do we know how far apart the countries are gong to "long way" around the earth?
What do you mean by "no one charted the maps"? Are you saying that the FET projection is made up?

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Re: Why not send a drone to fly over Antarctica?
« Reply #36 on: April 22, 2015, 09:24:29 PM »
Yes. The sister site wants 5M USD to go and get a real one, though.
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Re: Why not send a drone to fly over Antarctica?
« Reply #37 on: April 23, 2015, 02:14:07 AM »
What is the flight route that is taken?
Why does that matter? It can be assumed that the planes take the shortest route possible, showing that the north and south are the same size

If the flights between two countries are 14 hours long, that only tells us that the countries are that distance apart. No one charted the FE maps 100%. How do we know how far apart the countries are gong to "long way" around the earth?
What do you mean by "no one charted the maps"? Are you saying that the FET projection is made up?

Are you willing to fund an expedition to create a cartographically accurate FE map?
That's how far the horizon is, not how far you can see.

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Re: Why not send a drone to fly over Antarctica?
« Reply #38 on: April 23, 2015, 03:23:36 AM »
Yes. The sister site wants 5M USD to go and get a real one, though.

It's 4M USD and we are doing quite well.

Re: Why not send a drone to fly over Antarctica?
« Reply #39 on: April 25, 2015, 06:23:52 AM »
So there is a project up and running on a sister site? Can you post a link to the project please?