[Particle Person]

That's a really good point, buddy. Now that you mention it, that is kind of silly. I guess I never really thought about it lol.

[Ghost of V]

That's a really good point, buddy. Now that you mention it, that is kind of silly. I guess I never really thought about it lol.

I'm glad we're in agreement. Morrowind is terrible.

[Vindictus]

ITT: 2 nostalgic nerds clash.

[Saddam Hussein]

No. You said it yourself, "I am biased, and also I am dumb." Pretty much everything you mentioned involved personal preference, and not even the most skilled debateur could repair your nostalgia induced insanity.

The absurdity of connecting a hit but still missing is not personal preference. That was a terrible design choice. Pseudo-action based combat should not be governed by dice rolls. Rats should not be able to easily kill a fully grown adult dunmer with a sword.

Yes, it is.  It might be one that most people would share, but it's still a subjective opinion.  Personally, I don't mind the reliance on your stats and chance, but I think they could have stood to make the system a little more forgiving.  Practicing a skill you're not experienced in should be difficult, yes, but not borderline impossible.

[Particle Person]

It is not borderline impossible. Nobody would play a game if one of the most basic tasks was borderline impossible. Unless it were one of those novelty games that's meant to be as difficult as possible.

[Rushy]

It is not borderline impossible. Nobody would play a game if one of the most basic tasks was borderline impossible. Unless it were one of those novelty games that's meant to be as difficult as possible.

If you don't make your character with specific skills in mind, it is borderline impossible. I actually stopped playing Morrowind for a bit, and then looked up a character creation tutorial, just because my character could quite literally not kill a rat during the first fighter's guild quest. The game seems to lean on assuming whoever is playing it has prior experience in creating RPG characters and what skills to pick in order to make functional combat feasible.

[Particle Person]

If you don't make your character with specific skills in mind,

You literally have no choice but to make your character with specific skills in mind, unless you close your eyes while allocating your majors and minors. If you don't know what a certain skill does, then just read the description for it. What set of circumstances led to you failing to kill a rat?

[Rushy]

Yet the game punishes you for ever branching from those skills. I choose Bow/Archery whatever for my skills but then when encountering a rat in close quarters I pulled out a dagger and could not kill the rat. That is a stupid game design and you know it.

[Ghost of V]

No. You said it yourself, "I am biased, and also I am dumb." Pretty much everything you mentioned involved personal preference, and not even the most skilled debateur could repair your nostalgia induced insanity.

The absurdity of connecting a hit but still missing is not personal preference. That was a terrible design choice. Pseudo-action based combat should not be governed by dice rolls. Rats should not be able to easily kill a fully grown adult dunmer with a sword.

Yes, it is.  It might be one that most people would share, but it's still a subjective opinion.  Personally, I don't mind the reliance on your stats and chance, but I think they could have stood to make the system a little more forgiving.  Practicing a skill you're not experienced in should be difficult, yes, but not borderline-impossible.

You're right, but you could argue that any bad game design choice is simply personal preference.

The rat point still stands.

[Particle Person]

Marksman was your only major/minor combat skill?

[Ghost of V]

Marksman was your only major/minor combat skill?

If the game explained character creation in a bit more detail he probably would not have made such a stupid decision. Or you know, if they made the game more user friendly to begin with.

[Rushy]

Marksman was your only major/minor combat skill?

I don't use it a lot so I normally opt to give it an extra boost so I don't suffer from not using it. I didn't realize the game was literally asking "which one of these do you want to be useful?" I then picked an additional host of skills I don't use often to, again, increase them without grinding effort.

[Particle Person]

Marksman was your only major/minor combat skill?

I don't use it a lot so I normally opt to give it an extra boost so I don't suffer from not using it. I didn't realize the game was literally asking "which one of these do you want to be useful?" I then picked an additional host of skills I don't use often to, again, increase them without grinding effort.

So you tried to game the system in a very dumb way, and it backfired. What terrible design. I think most people can CHIM hard enough to intuit that when the game asks for your "major" skills, it's asking for the ones that you wish to use the most.

[Rushy]

So you tried to game the system in a very dumb way, and it backfired. What terrible design. I think most people can CHIM hard enough to intuit that when the game asks for your "major" skills, it's asking for the ones that you wish to use the most.

It's not asking for skills you use the most, it's asking for skills that your character can use, it just gives a psuedo feeling of being able to do whatever you want. It doesn't even make logical sense. How can a person be a good marksman but have Parkinson's trying to kill a rat with a dagger?

[beardo]

Why doesn't the game tell you that you will literally suck ass and be a bumbling fuck with the skills you don't pick as major skills?

[Ghost of V]

Why doesn't the game tell you that you will literally suck ass and be a bumbling fuck with the skills you don't pick as major skills?

I can't tell if this is sarcasm or not.

[Blanko]

Holy fuck, how is Rushy this bad at video games?

[Rushy]

Holy fuck, how is Rushy this bad at video games?

Daaw, wittle blanko is upset dat wushy daws not like has fawrite gaem.

[Blanko]

Holy fuck, how is Rushy this bad at video games?

Daaw, wittle blanko is upset dat wushy daws not like has fawrite gaem.

But my favourite game isn't Morrowind.

It's just baffling to me how you can have literally zero interests besides video games, yet you're still overwhelmed by simple RPG systems.

[Particle Person]

So you tried to game the system in a very dumb way, and it backfired. What terrible design. I think most people can CHIM hard enough to intuit that when the game asks for your "major" skills, it's asking for the ones that you wish to use the most.

It's not asking for skills you use the most, it's asking for skills that your character can use, it just gives a psuedo feeling of being able to do whatever you want. It doesn't even make logical sense. How can a person be a good marksman but have Parkinson's trying to kill a rat with a dagger?

Were you also maximally fatigued while fighting this rat?