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Incorrect. That's talking about the FIOA request which said that the request was urgent. The FDA acknowledged that they had the information, but claimed it wasn't urgent.

This is not a claim that they didn't violate the specific law referenced. This is separate issue entirely. There is a federal law that states that it must be immediately available upon licensing. It is referenced in the lawsuit as well. Is there a specific response to this law by the FDA?

No, there is not. You are unable to even find a denial on this matter.

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The lawyer says that they violated federal law by not releasing it right here:

https://aaronsiri.substack.com/p/scientists-sue-the-fda-for-data-it

Why has the FDA, weeks after the filing of a federal lawsuit, still not agreed to timely release this data?  Why does the FDA persist in delaying its release when even federal law states that, once licensed, the “data and information in the biological product file [for the licensed vaccine] are immediately available for public disclosure.

Where did the FDA claim that they were not in violation of the law on this matter?

What's the definition of immediate?

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Philosophy, Religion & Society / Re: Terrible Political Memes
« on: October 16, 2021, 11:43:25 PM »

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Philosophy, Religion & Society / Re: President Joe Biden
« on: October 16, 2021, 11:22:07 PM »
How is Joe Biden's presidency going so far?


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Philosophy, Religion & Society / Re: Coronavirus Vaccine and You
« on: October 16, 2021, 11:14:15 PM »
The group's lawyer says that according to federal law it was supposed to be released immediately. Are you a lawyer? Are you a legal expert? He is.

And an FDA lawyer wrote back saying that the request to expedite was unfounded. Lawyer v Lawyer, two experts in law. I'm sure the lawyers, experts, will work this out.

The FOIA and the request to expedite is good that they made those requests, but irrelevant to the point that it was supposed to have been immediately released when the application was approved. It wasn't. The FDA is withholding safety data from the public in violation of federal law.

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Philosophy, Religion & Society / Re: Coronavirus Vaccine and You
« on: October 16, 2021, 09:21:38 PM »
It should not need to be requested or expedited because it was supposed to have been released when the vaccine was licensed

https://aaronsiri.substack.com/p/scientists-sue-the-fda-for-data-it

You can’t say no, you can’t sue for harm, and you can’t see the data underlying the government’s claim that the product is safe and effective.

...

Why has the FDA, weeks after the filing of a federal lawsuit, still not agreed to timely release this data?  Why does the FDA persist in delaying its release when even federal law states that, once licensed, the “data and information in the biological product file [for the licensed vaccine] are immediately available for public disclosure.” 

The lawyer states that according to federal law this information should have been released when the vaccine was licensed. The public should have access to the the safety data for the vaccines and drugs they are putting into to their bodies.

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Philosophy, Religion & Society / Re: Coronavirus Vaccine and You
« on: October 16, 2021, 09:06:34 PM »
The group's lawyer says that according to federal law it was supposed to be released immediately. Are you a lawyer? Are you a legal expert? He is.


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Philosophy, Religion & Society / Re: Coronavirus Vaccine and You
« on: October 16, 2021, 08:11:28 PM »
Denial of the expediton request is an admission that they did not release it in the first place. They could have said:

- Here it is
- This request is invalid because it was already released, see xx

But this was not the answer. They imply with their answer that they have not released it. If they have not released it they are withholding it from the public.

There would be regulations if there was a "whole system" where the FDA waited until after drugs became approved and released before the public could see the safety data. Where are those regulations?

The regulations that the lawyers in the lawsuit found say that it was supposed to be released immediately. Written in black and white from the FDA itself. You have provided zero contradicting information, and only speculation, that there are alternate regulations which allow them to not release the safety data for the drugs and vaccines it approves. The evidence that you offer for your argument is "I have no idea". A real stunner of an argument from you. ::)

The FOIA request was made on Sept 9th and the followup lawsuit was made on Sept 16th. Five days ago on Oct 11th the group's lawyer said that the FDA has still neglected to provide the information and is delaying it -

https://aaronsiri.substack.com/p/scientists-sue-the-fda-for-data-it

Why has the FDA, weeks after the filing of a federal lawsuit, still not agreed to timely release this data?  Why does the FDA persist in delaying its release when even federal law states that, once licensed, the “data and information in the biological product file [for the licensed vaccine] are immediately available for public disclosure.” 

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Philosophy, Religion & Society / Re: Coronavirus Vaccine and You
« on: October 16, 2021, 04:34:06 PM »
You pick and destroy details of peer reviewed studies but you believe this stuff?

an anonymous fake website with links to fake data... published by...  some dude...

It's not anonymous. It says that the editor reporting it is named Jack Bingham. He's reporting news, which is quite different than dispensing scientific opinion in a professional capacity.

Clicking on the links in the article leads to the lawsuit and associated information, showing that the key events in the article are true.

Lawsuit: https://phmpt.org/wp-content/uploads/2021/10/001-Complaint-101021.pdf

Per the legal complaint, the FDA did not refuse to provide information, they refused to expedite the FOIA request. Massive difference there.

Which is an admission that they have not released it to the public and that the FDA was working against public disclosure. Why wasn't it released to the public on day one? If it wasn't released it means that the FDA was working against public disclosure and still is.

In the lawsuit the organization cites regulation that it should have been released:

https://phmpt.org/wp-content/uploads/2021/10/001-Complaint-101021.pdf



If it should have been released and wasn't then the FDA either accidentally overlooked it or that they are working against public disclosure. It's hard to believe that they "accidentally" neglected to release the data on which this very scrutinized and high profile vaccine was approved. One is compelled to deduce that they didn't want to release it.

The lawsuit makes a number of arguments that the matter is urgent and shouldn't be slow walked.





What's the definition of immediately?

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Philosophy, Religion & Society / Re: Coronavirus Vaccine and You
« on: October 16, 2021, 03:14:25 PM »
https://www.lifesitenews.com/news/top-doctors-and-scientists-sue-the-fda-to-obtain-the-data-used-to-approve-pfizer-jab/

The data used to approve the vaccine was not publicly released and the FDA is actively fighting to keep it secret. Despicable.

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Philosophy, Religion & Society / Re: Coronavirus Vaccine and You
« on: October 14, 2021, 06:51:25 AM »
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Here's an interesting one. Rumor has it that the famous Biblical Flat Earther and anti-vaxxer Rob Skiba has passed away. He, as rumored, had covid, developed pneumonia, put on Remdesivir. After a few days he was taken off of Remdesivir, put on a ventilator and placed in a medically-induced coma.  He had been in a coma for the last 40 days. Had a heart attack and died. Again, all rumor.

If all of that is true, the question is whether his is a Covid death or not? More specifically, should it be counted in the Covid death count?

We would need to know all of his chronic or underlying conditions. People who are dying of underlying chronic conditions tend to get things like pneumonia at the end stage of their life.

Ie. - "Pneumonia is a leading cause of death among cancer patients"

But this has been typically classified as a secondary infection rather than the primary cause of death, and not reported with prominence on national mortality statistics. Obviously if someone was dying of cancer they would be prominently listed as a cancer death rather then pneumonia infection. It is only with the changed guidance for Covid-19 that all diagnosis of Covid within 30 or 60 days, even asymptomatic Covid-19, was to be elevated to a primary cause of death and listed prominently in mortality statistics even when the patient was clearly dying of cancer.

In all likelihood Rob Skiba probably had comorbities since in the "Covid deaths" there are an average of four comorbidities, with only about 5% or 6% of deaths which indicated Covid as the only cause according to the CDC:

https://www.cdc.gov/nchs/nvss/vsrr/covid_weekly/index.htm#Comorbidities

"For over 5% of these deaths, COVID-19 was the only cause mentioned on the death certificate. For deaths with conditions or causes in addition to COVID-19, on average, there were 4.0 additional conditions or causes per death."

And every time you have “shown” that it has been patiently explained to you that this is exactly how it works with other diseases.

Incorrect. The methods were changed with COVID-19 guidance.

https://americanmind.org/salvo/a-covid-death-the-bureaucracy-decides/



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Philosophy, Religion & Society / Re: Coronavirus Vaccine and You
« on: October 14, 2021, 03:35:25 AM »
COVID may not kill many young people but it killed more American’s than anything else last month:

https://abcnews.go.com/amp/Health/live-updates/covid-delta-surge/?id=80516253&__twitter_impression=true&s=09

Yet you have been shown numerous times that they are counting people who died "with" Covid and not of Covid, unlike previous diseases. Your argument is completely illegitimate.

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Philosophy, Religion & Society / Re: Trump
« on: October 09, 2021, 06:14:35 PM »
None of that is documented to have happened with those duplicates according to what the auditors are claiming. If there was documentation of this, it wouldn't be a concern. Claiming that this was secretly done and corrected and that incomplete documentation was given to the auditors is a totally invalid response. The auditors were supposed to receive all information. If it wasn't documented then there is no paper trail. The source for your information comes from the defendant themselves, an unreliable source in this context. The auditors are right to question the quality and legitimacy of such a shoddy election.

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Philosophy, Religion & Society / Re: Trump
« on: October 09, 2021, 05:24:56 PM »
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Where's the evidence that duplicates were counted?

The evidence is that he had access to the people who were assessing the election materials and computers and you did not.

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How come Bennet's "suggestions" didn't make it into the Ninja's report?

Cyber Ninja did put it into the report, and says that these sort of discrepancies add ambiguity into the conclusion:

https://c692f527-da75-4c86-b5d1-8b3d5d4d5b43.filesusr.com/ugd/2f3470_a91b5cd3655445b498f9acc63db35afd.pdf



Hmmm, no mention of duplicates counted. Go figure.

Maybe you should watch Dr. Shiva's presentation again. He identified duplicates that the Maricopa County did not identify and report. You are claiming that the county did not count duplicates that they did not know about.

https://rumble.com/vmya6b-presentation-of-maricopa-county-audit-dr.-shiva-ayyadurai.html



From that timestamp - "There were 34,448 total images of which 17322 were duplicates, from 17126 voters. This, by the way and we'll get to it, was not reported"

And later on in the presentation:



"Maricopa reported NO Duplicates in the CANVASS Report"

The county did not report it. If the county didn't report it or know about it, how do you know that duplicates were not counted?

Please show exactly where Maricopa identified and accounted for these duplicates. The auditors appear to believe that the duplicates are not being reported by the county that ran the election. If they aren't being reported then it is a tough sell to argue that they aren't being counted.

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Philosophy, Religion & Society / Re: Terrible Political Memes
« on: October 08, 2021, 07:17:33 PM »

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Flat Earth Investigations / Re: Ring laser gyros
« on: October 07, 2021, 04:18:40 AM »
Actually, the Wiki page accurately says that those types of devices are looking at rotational seismic phenomena right here - https://wiki.tfes.org/Ring_Laser_Gyroscope_-_Seismology

Not sure why you keep reposting that graph. It's not raw data. As you pointed out earlier, the angular rate on that one is faster other graphs we saw which are uncorrected for latitude and this data is reprocessed and visualized. Other visualizations we saw in this thread have radically different views.

GINGERino is not a regular seismograph, it is a special tool which studies "rotational seismology" -

https://physicsworld.com/a/ring-laser-reveals-subtle-seismic-motion/

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Seismic shift: GINGERino is deep below these mountains

A laser gyroscope located deep beneath the Gran Sasso mountain in central Italy has made the first deep-underground measurements of the rotational motion that passing seismic waves generate in the Earth’s crust. The ability to make such measurements could boost our understanding of the strain that rocks undergo before an earthquake takes place, say the scientists who carried out the research.

Earthquakes release large amounts of pent-up energy in the form of seismic waves, which propagate in all directions from the quake’s epicentre. When those waves reach the Earth’s surface they can cause the ground to move along one or more orthogonal axes – up and down, back and forth, and side to side. But seismic waves can also generate much smaller rotational motions, in which the ground rotates around one or more of the three axes.

According to Gilberto Saccorotti of Italy’s National Institute for Geophysics and Volcanology (INGV), rotational motion is important to measure for a number of reasons. For one thing, seismologists can determine the speed of a seismic wave – and so better understand the kind of rock it propagates through – by comparing the magnitudes of the rotational and translational motions that it generates. In addition, better measurements of ground rotation during strong earthquakes would allow for more robust building regulations. “Circular motion, like horizontal motion, can be very dangerous,” he says. “Structures haven’t been designed with that in mind but are instead meant to resist vertical forces, i.e. their own weight.”

Frequency shift

Ring-laser gyroscopes, on the other hand, are designed specifically to measure rotational motion. These devices record the very tiny differences in frequency between two laser beams sent in opposites directions around an optical circuit that is fixed rigidly to the ground. The frequency offset reflects the rate at which the ground rotates. Ring lasers in Germany, New Zealand and the US have been detecting earthquakes’ rotational ground movements for about the last two decades, but the fact that these instruments are located at or just below ground level exposes them to disturbances – be they of natural or human origin – that originate close to the Earth’s surface.

In the latest work, Saccorotti and colleagues at the INGV and Italy’s National Institute for Nuclear Physics (INFN) used a ring laser called GINGERino, consisting of four 3.6 m-long sides mounted on a block of granite. Housed 1400 m underground at the Gran Sasso National Laboratory, the device is largely shielded from the tiny variations in air pressure that can trouble ring lasers at shallower depths. It is the forerunner of an experiment called Gyroscopes in General Relativity (GINGER), which will use at least three large ring lasers arranged at right angles to one another to try and measure the very subtle “frame-dragging” effect predicted by Einstein’s general theory of relativity.

Using GINGERino, the INFN-INGV group was able to record a magnitude-seven earthquake that occurred under the Atlantic Ocean during a week of data-taking in June 2015. The researchers say that although their data exhibit a poor signal-to-noise-ratio, they were still able to detect rotational motion generated by the earthquake’s seismic waves in the rock surrounding the lab.

Potential earthquake precursors

According to Saccorotti, the result shows the feasibility of installing a long-term experiment in the Gran Sasso lab – be it GINGER or a single, larger ring laser. Such a device would systematically record rotational ground motions over a two- to four-year period. This would allow the detailed study of the elastic deformation of rock caused by the gradual build-up of energy across a geological fault ahead of an earthquake. “That deformation can include rotational motion, so having a very sensitive device in a low-noise environment opens up interesting possibilities for studying a potential earthquake precursor”, he says, pointing out that Gran Sasso is in one of the most seismically active regions of Italy.

Ulrich Schreiber of the Technical University of Munich, who collaborates with the Italian group, points out that the field of “rotational seismology” is now quite well established, thanks to the availability of improved ring-laser gyroscopes. But he nevertheless praises the latest work. “GINGERino is a prototype instrument that has still to mature a fair bit before reaching its full potential,” he says. “But being able to observe rotational motion from remote earthquakes in a deep-underground laboratory is an important step forward.”

It's a new field of "rotational seismology" which is "able to observe rotational motion from remote earthquakes".

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Flat Earth Investigations / Re: Ring laser gyros
« on: October 06, 2021, 09:16:50 AM »
It has everything to do with it. Look into relative motion. If you are watching something move, you can't tell whether it is you and perhaps your environment that is moving or whether it is the body is moving. This is extremely basic and and I am surprised that you are having trouble understanding this.

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Flat Earth Investigations / Re: Ring laser gyros
« on: October 06, 2021, 06:01:37 AM »
The problem is that this is an indirect conclusion, rather than a direct one. If you are floating in a featureless environment in outer space and see an object travel past you at a set speed, you generally could not know whether it is you who was moving or whether it was the object that was moving.

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Flat Earth Projects / Re: We are your friends from Russia and Europe
« on: October 06, 2021, 03:28:21 AM »
For a future experiment the goal should be to do it with a infrared camera lens so that you can cut through the atmosphere like this author does here in the Wiki, and on his YouTube channel. In his YouTube channel he takes an infrared camera onto an airplane and other high locations and claims to see objects that are further than a Round Earth should allow.

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Flat Earth Investigations / Re: Ring laser gyros
« on: October 06, 2021, 01:29:48 AM »
It says that the seismic waves are rotating, like a Foucault Pendulum:

https://inside.mines.edu/~rsnieder/Snieder16Fouc.pdf

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Earth’s rotation leads to a slow rotation of the transverse polarization of S waves; during the propagation of S waves the particle motion behaves just like a Foucault pendulum.

The device is watching something rotate, and it is assumed to be caused by the rotation of the earth.

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