[Lord Dave]

Attempted diplomacy with NK.
...

I'll think of a second one at some point.

[crutonius]

I see his attempt at NK a positive one as well.  I believe his intentions were good but he just couldn't make it happen.

[Roundy]

Two questions:

Those of y'all who like Trump, can you name two things he's done that you disagree with?

Those of y'all who dislike Trump, can you name two things he's done that you agree with?

I'll give you three. It'll help make up for Dave's half-assed answer.

1) helped expose the inherent biases and hypocrisy in the mainstream media. Unfortunately he's done so by amplifying the issue to a gross caricature of itself, but in the end if outlets feel more accountable as a result, and/or readers end up viewing the news with more of a critical eye, that's a good thing.

2) exposed the cracks in a number of democratic institutions we take for granted. Thanks to Trump's pushing to get away with anything he possibly can, we know a great deal of what a wannabe autocrat can get away with, offering a blueprint for dealing with leaders who try to reach a little too far in the future.

3) pushed for legislation to limit the cost of prescription drugs.

btw, not sure if you were aware of it, but amusingly Trump was recently asked to name one good thing about Biden. He couldn't do it, and he couldn't shut up when asked to name something bad about him.

[timterroo]

Two questions:

Those of y'all who like Trump, can you name two things he's done that you disagree with?

Those of y'all who dislike Trump, can you name two things he's done that you agree with?

Wait a second... I misread the post....

So, I should answer in the affirmative...

1. He gave $$ to farmers after creating a trade war that hurt farmers

2. Increased the standard tax deduction - although I'm not sure how this will pan out after a few more years. This could be something I end up holding against him.

[totallackey]

This "cautions against," BS you have been spouting

Lol

has always been in place for people with HEART CONDITIONS and at risk for arrhythmia, regardless of the reason why they are taking hydroxychloroquine.

So glad you can agree it is not recommended for Trump to take it. Unless you think an obese 70 year old who takes amphetamines to cope with the most stressful job in the world isn’t at risk of a cardiac event?

Are you a doctor?

Another BS claim about amphetamines...

I thought you subscribed to the "we shouldn't believe anecdotal evidence," club mantra...

Have any evidence of your assertion concerning heart condition for Trump other than the last reported physical which the doctor had access to?

Just ridiculous blather over something that doesn't even concern you.

[Rama Set]

Trump is none going to sign some petty executive order because Twitter turned its withering gaze on him. So petty.

[totallackey]

No recommendations to take it only in hospital.

Hmmmmmm.....

https://www.cidrap.umn.edu/news-perspective/2020/05/studies-find-further-lack-covid-benefit-hydroxychloroquine

Earlier this week, the American College of Physicians posted guidelines recommending against using hydroxychloroquine or chloroquine, alone or in combination with azithromycin, in COVID-19 patients, unless it's within the context of a clinical trial and the decision to treat is made with patients and their families.

American College of Physicians - https://www.acpjournals.org/doi/10.7326/M20-1998

Do not use chloroquine or hydroxychloroquine alone or in combination with azithromycin as a treatment of patients with COVID-19 due to known harms and no available evidence of benefits in patients with COVID-19.

Not only are they recommending to only use in a clinical setting, they are also recommending to not use it PERIOD (to treat COVID).

Do I need to go on?

Yeah, you probably need to explain why a person, under the care of a physician, cannot come to their own conclusions about their own health.

[totallackey]

According to one of Trump's recent tweets the media is pressing a "new narrative" that Trump was slow in responding to the coronavirus.

They've been saying that since Trump first started downplaying the threat of the virus months ago that resulted in the delayed response.

But somehow this is a "new narrative".

And the totallackeys of the world are just nodding their heads in dumb agreement, like with everything else he says.

Actually, I disagree with everything Trump did in response to the coronavirus, except the flight cancellations.

[Lord Dave]

It doesn't take a doctor to see Trump is overwieght and over 70 and in a high stress job.

[totallackey]

It doesn't take a doctor to see Trump is overwieght and over 70 and in a high stress job.

No, it does take a doctor to decide, in conjunction with the patient, what actions to take regarding the health of the patient.

Do you want Trump (or anybody else, for that matter) to get involved with the decisions you and your doctor come to?

[Rama Set]

It doesn't take a doctor to see Trump is overwieght and over 70 and in a high stress job.

No, it does take a doctor to decide, in conjunction with the patient, what actions to take regarding the health of the patient.

Do you want Trump (or anybody else, for that matter) to get involved with the decisions you and your doctor come to?

What does any of this have to do with it being a good idea?

[totallackey]

It doesn't take a doctor to see Trump is overwieght and over 70 and in a high stress job.

No, it does take a doctor to decide, in conjunction with the patient, what actions to take regarding the health of the patient.

Do you want Trump (or anybody else, for that matter) to get involved with the decisions you and your doctor come to?

What does any of this have to do with it being a good idea?

Any decision made by any patient and doctor regarding the patient's health is perceived as a good idea by both that patient and that doctor.

I also happen to think it is a good idea, but my thoughts don't count to that patient and to that doctor.

But you?

You think other people's medical concerns are your concerns...

Which is just plain silly...and par for the course.

That's your MO.

[Rama Set]

Who cares if they think it’s a good idea? Trump thinks being obese is apparently ok too. His decision making on his personal health is obviously lacking. But I support his right to do what he wants and I acknowledge that his treatment regime is probably tailored to his specific needs.

What I don’t support is when someone uses their influence to peddle potentially dangerous treatments. Again, hydroxychloroquine is associated with an increase in mortality in COVID cases, not a decrease. It’s not “god’s gift”, in the slightest.

[totallackey]

Who cares if they think it’s a good idea? Trump thinks being obese is apparently ok too. His decision making on his personal health is obviously lacking. But I support his right to do what he wants and I acknowledge that his treatment regime is probably tailored to his specific needs.

The patient and the doctor care.

You know, the only two that really count.

Obesity depends on somatotype.

So you even labeling Trump as obese is again silly and par for the course.

What I don’t support is when someone uses their influence to peddle potentially dangerous treatments. Again, hydroxychloroquine is associated with an increase in mortality in COVID cases, not a decrease. It’s not “god’s gift”, in the slightest.

Remember the words, "anecdotal evidence," you were so fond of just a few weeks ago when decrying the use of the drug...

Still nothing more than that when you claim "increase," in mortality.

The Lancet didn't even do a formal study.

So take that unscientific BS back to to farm.

Lousy work on your part chief.

The drug has been in use for over 50 years and has the same potential side effects, regardless of the reason why it is taken.

I notice you want everyone to ignore that portion of the facts concerning the use of hydroxychloroquine while you express your faux outrage.

So, you disagree with pharmaceutical companies being able to advertise their products on TV, radio, the internet, etc...?

[Rama Set]

Who cares if they think it’s a good idea? Trump thinks being obese is apparently ok too. His decision making on his personal health is obviously lacking. But I support his right to do what he wants and I acknowledge that his treatment regime is probably tailored to his specific needs.

The patient and the doctor care.

You know, the only two that really count.

Obesity depends on somatotype.

So you even labeling Trump as obese is again silly and par for the course.

Labeling an obese guy as obese is only silly in your land of apologetics.

What I don’t support is when someone uses their influence to peddle potentially dangerous treatments. Again, hydroxychloroquine is associated with an increase in mortality in COVID cases, not a decrease. It’s not “god’s gift”, in the slightest.

Remember the words, "anecdotal evidence," you were so fond of just a few weeks ago when decrying the use of the drug...

Still nothing more than that when you claim "increase," in mortality.

The drug has been in use for over 50 years and has the same potential side effects, regardless of the reason why it is taken.

There is no evidence of benefit and some evidence that hydroxychloroquine is harmful in cases of COVID. An increase of adverse cardiac events is associated with the drug and that’s not good when you have a respiratory infection.

[Lord Dave]

It doesn't take a doctor to see Trump is overwieght and over 70 and in a high stress job.

No, it does take a doctor to decide, in conjunction with the patient, what actions to take regarding the health of the patient.

Do you want Trump (or anybody else, for that matter) to get involved with the decisions you and your doctor come to?

.... Do you not live in America?  Having people involved with medical decisions between you and your doctor is how the American healthcare system works.  Politicians and insurance companies dictate your medical care.

[totallackey]

Labeling an obese guy as obese is only silly in your land of apologetics.

It is silly in your land of of not understanding somatotype, which is something you want to avoid, as it would only cement your ignorant commentary.

What I don’t support is when someone uses their influence to peddle potentially dangerous treatments. Again, hydroxychloroquine is associated with an increase in mortality in COVID cases, not a decrease. It’s not “god’s gift”, in the slightest.

Remember the words, "anecdotal evidence," you were so fond of just a few weeks ago when decrying the use of the drug...

Still nothing more than that when you claim "increase," in mortality.

The drug has been in use for over 50 years and has the same potential side effects, regardless of the reason why it is taken.

There is no some evidence of benefit and some evidence that hydroxychloroquine is harmful in cases of COVID. An increase of adverse cardiac events is associated with the drug and that’s not good when you have a respiratory infection.

FTFY.

A potential increase in cardiac events regardless of any drug is taken is a risk that needs to be considered
by everyone, regarding a wide range of pharmaceuticals.

And EVEN MORE IMPORTANTLY, when reading your nonsense.

You really need to consider that from now on prior to formulating your posts.

[totallackey]

It doesn't take a doctor to see Trump is overwieght and over 70 and in a high stress job.

No, it does take a doctor to decide, in conjunction with the patient, what actions to take regarding the health of the patient.

Do you want Trump (or anybody else, for that matter) to get involved with the decisions you and your doctor come to?

.... Do you not live in America?  Having people involved with medical decisions between you and your doctor is how the American healthcare system works.  Politicians and insurance companies dictate your medical care.

Thanks to people like you who thought that somehow that would be a good idea and supported the Clintons and Obamas?

And do you think Trump's care is dictated by an insurance company or a politician, other than Trump?

[Lord Dave]

It doesn't take a doctor to see Trump is overwieght and over 70 and in a high stress job.

No, it does take a doctor to decide, in conjunction with the patient, what actions to take regarding the health of the patient.

Do you want Trump (or anybody else, for that matter) to get involved with the decisions you and your doctor come to?

.... Do you not live in America?  Having people involved with medical decisions between you and your doctor is how the American healthcare system works.  Politicians and insurance companies dictate your medical care.

Thanks to people like you who thought that somehow that would be a good idea and supported the Clintons and Obamas?

And do you think Trump's care is dictated by an insurance company or a politician, other than Trump?

??
When did Clinton or Obama want private, for profit insurance companies dictating care based on cost and profit?

As for politicians: FDA, abortion regulations, medical malpractice laws, etc...


Also, no, I am sure Trump's care is dictated by Trump, and Trump alone.

[totallackey]

It doesn't take a doctor to see Trump is overwieght and over 70 and in a high stress job.

No, it does take a doctor to decide, in conjunction with the patient, what actions to take regarding the health of the patient.

Do you want Trump (or anybody else, for that matter) to get involved with the decisions you and your doctor come to?

.... Do you not live in America?  Having people involved with medical decisions between you and your doctor is how the American healthcare system works.  Politicians and insurance companies dictate your medical care.

Thanks to people like you who thought that somehow that would be a good idea and supported the Clintons and Obamas?

And do you think Trump's care is dictated by an insurance company or a politician, other than Trump?

??
When did Clinton or Obama want private, for profit insurance companies dictating care based on cost and profit?

Clintons - When they overhauled the insurance industry participation in Medicare...which is government determining the amount of money they would pay doctors and the amount of money you would need to pay for the supplemental insurance to cover the things that Medicare doesn't cover.

Obamas - further fucking things up...

As for politicians: FDA, abortion regulations, medical malpractice laws, etc...

Much of the policies/procedures for operation written under the leadership of the two shitbags previously listed.

Also, no, I am sure Trump's care is dictated by Trump, and Trump alone.

Yeah, I got no problem with that.

I've told a doctor or two  to fuck off here and there...