[flannel jesus]

It's puzzling that the argument here is that the globe model can't explain this, when this thing that's been predicted was explicitly predicted using globe models.

https://flatearth.ws/eclipse-prediction

This article goes through software any normal person can install on their computer to use globe models to predict future eclipses (including the 2026 one in question here). Not only can the globe model explain this, the globe model is the precise thing used to explain this in the first place.

[AATW]

It's puzzling that the argument here is that the globe model can't explain this, when this thing that's been predicted was explicitly predicted using globe models.

https://flatearth.ws/eclipse-prediction

This article goes through software any normal person can install on their computer to use globe models to predict future eclipses (including the 2026 one in question here). Not only can the globe model explain this, the globe model is the precise thing used to explain this in the first place.

It is one of Tom's go to arguments that he doesn't understand how the globe model explains ... therefore it can't be explained. Checkmate!

I haven't looked in to this eclipse in any detail but I would note that the earth's axis of rotation is tilted with respect to the moon and the moon is orbiting while the earth is rotating which makes this all a bit complicated.

I note at no point has he showed how this path works on a FE or used any FE model to predict the date and path of the eclipse.

[Action80]

Eclipse cycles were predicted by flat earthers millenia ago.

[AATW]

Eclipse cycles were predicted by flat earthers millenia ago.

Cool. So it should be easy for you to show how you predict future ones and how you calculate the paths they will follow.
Looking forward to seeing your workings.

[flannel jesus]

What do flat earthers believe solar eclipses are? Is it the moon getting in front of the sun or something else?

[Tom Bishop]

Doesn't work for what? Did you watch the gif from Wikipedia? It seems like it works pretty seamlessly to me.

This is what you posted:

There's a gif on wikipedia that explains the path of the eclipse without resorting to a weird moon path.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Solar_eclipse_of_August_12,_2026

It implies the moon is passing in front of the sun more towards the top.

Here is the gif:



Your explanation of "It implies the moon is passing in front of the sun more towards the top." needs more demonstration, since the Moon is not rotating around the Earth on a North-South plane.

[flannel jesus]

Doesn't work for what? Did you watch the gif from Wikipedia? It seems like it works pretty seamlessly to me.

This is what you posted:

There's a gif on wikipedia that explains the path of the eclipse without resorting to a weird moon path.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Solar_eclipse_of_August_12,_2026

It implies the moon is passing in front of the sun more towards the top.

Here is the gif:



Your explanation of "It implies the moon is passing in front of the sun more towards the top." needs more demonstration, since the Moon is not rotating around the Earth on a North-South plane.

The moon rotates around the sun east-to-west, but it wobbles along the plane of orbit in a north-south direction. That's why there's not a lunar eclipse or solar eclipse every month. In this particular case, the moon is more northward on the plane.

[Tom Bishop]

You are talking about this North-South movement from this University of Arizona diagram:



The above diagram is not to scale, but we can compute with the correct values. Starting from the New Moon position in the diagram lets calculate how fast the Moon is descending Southward.

To get the dimensions of one of the sides of the triangle to the right of the Earth in the above image we can fill out a Triangle Calculator with 5 degrees, 238900 (avg distance from earth to moon in miles), and 90 degrees.



This creates the following result:



The shortest side a, the Opposite Side, is 20,201.13241 miles

We take this value and double it to get the Opposite Side of the other triangle that would be on the lower left of the diagram scene when it approaches Full Moon.

20,201.13241 miles x 2 = 40402.26482 Miles

There are 29.5306 days in a lunar month, the time it takes to get from New Moon to the next New Moon. This should be divided by two to get the time from New Moon to Full Moon

29.5306 / 2 = 14.7653 days in half a lunar month

Half a lunar month in hours is 354.3672 Hours

Now, to get the speed the Moon is traveling Southward we can divide distance by time:

40402.26482 / 354.3672 = 114.0124 Miles Per Hour

The total time of the Aug 12, 2026 total eclipse shadow can be found on https://www.timeanddate.com/eclipse/solar/2026-august-12

First location to see the full eclipse begin   Aug 12 at 16:58:09 (UTC)
Last location to see the full eclipse end   Aug 12 at 18:34:07 (UTC)

This is only about 1 hour and a half hours, and according to the maps the total eclipse shadow is traveling a distance equivalent to about the diameter of the Arctic Circle. Unless you are proposing that that North-South distance traveled is only about 171 miles, this does not make sense.

The shadow should obviously be moving Southward far slower.

[flannel jesus]

Now, to get the speed the Moon is traveling Southward we can divide distance by time:

40402.26482 / 354.3672 = 114.0124 Miles Per Hour

That's how far it travels southward on average over that half of the month. On average. It's going to be at its peak speed southward as it's passing the earth-sun ecliptic plane - which it is of course in the process of doing during a solar eclipse.

Also, you should be aware that the distance the shadow travels southward is going to be far larger than the distance the moon travels southward. Think about the geometry of the situation.

[Action80]

Eclipse cycles were predicted by flat earthers millenia ago.

Cool. So it should be easy for you to show how you predict future ones and how you calculate the paths they will follow.
Looking forward to seeing your workings.

Why would I repeat the work that is already done?

[flannel jesus]

Eclipse cycles were predicted by flat earthers millenia ago.

Cool. So it should be easy for you to show how you predict future ones and how you calculate the paths they will follow.
Looking forward to seeing your workings.

Why would I repeat the work that is already done?

He didn't ask you to repeat the work - that would be hard. He said it would be easy to show the work. As in, maybe you have a link to some resource, that someone else already made, that shows how these are predicted with a flat earth model.

[Action80]

Have you read the Wiki?

[flannel jesus]

Did I read the entire wiki? No of course not, why are you asking me that? The dude just wants a link to a resource that demonstrates your claim.

[Action80]

There is a resource concerning solar eclipses within the Wiki.

https://wiki.tfes.org/Solar_Eclipse

Further:

https://wiki.tfes.org/Astronomical_Prediction_Based_on_Patterns#The_Eclipses

[flannel jesus]

There is a resource concerning solar eclipses within the Wiki.

https://wiki.tfes.org/Solar_Eclipse

Further:

https://wiki.tfes.org/Astronomical_Prediction_Based_on_Patterns#The_Eclipses

Wonderful, thank you for graciously providing the link.

So of course the link doesn't say the eclipses were calculated using a flat earth model. They were just calculated using pattern recognition, independent of any model.

In modern times, you can calculate them using a model-less pattern system, or you can use a globe model. Both seem to work.

[Action80]

The patterns mentioned, including eclipses, were provided by FET proponents.

Nothing added by RET.

[flannel jesus]

The patterns mentioned, including eclipses, were provided by FET proponents.

I would love it if you could provide evidence of that.

[Action80]

To what type of theory did the ancient Babylonians ascribe?

"ancient babylonian models of the earth"

[flannel jesus]

To what type of theory did the ancient Babylonians ascribe?

"ancient babylonian models of the earth"

Does that make them a proponent of a model? I guess I think the word "model" refers to something a bit more rigorous than "the world kinda looks like such and such to me". And a proponent is someone who advocates for a theory, not just someone who kinda passively believes something. Were they out there convincing people the world is flat?

I wouldn't call their mythology a model or a theory at all. It's at best the seedlings of something that you could later turn into a model or a theory, which they didn't do.

And it's obviously not relevant to their calculations of the eclipses anyway. Right? Their calculations didn't involve calculating positions of things relative to a flat earth.

[Action80]

The Ancient Babylonians did not need to be "proponents" of any "model."

They knew the earth was flat and so did everyone else.

So, I guess I misused the word "proponents".

The fact is, Ancient Babylonians ascribed to a flat earth.

They predicted eclipses relevant to the flat earth.

The same calculations we use today.

Saros cycles.

Nothing has changed.

It is not mythology.

Globularism is the mythology.