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Flat Earth Community / Re: New Universe Model ("Many Worlds" Theory)
« on: February 17, 2021, 05:59:54 AM »
Hey guys, here's one more interesting proof.  Remember a few years ago they released the first images of a black hole at the center of a very large galaxy?  Or at least the light surrounding it?

What if the light surrounding it is actually an Aurora encircling there world?  It does make sense.

See attachment.

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Flat Earth Community / Re: New Universe Model ("Many Worlds" Theory)
« on: February 17, 2021, 01:32:12 AM »
Hi Stack,

A lot of my conclusions about what I view in photos of Galaxies are from empirical observations of the data we have.

For example, mainstream science has a lot of unanswered questions.  The FE Wiki explains a lot of them here: https://wiki.tfes.org/Problems_of_the_Galaxies

For example, the Milky Way spins approximately 130mph per second.  Scientists expect all objects to fly away with normal Gravity Laws, but it doesn't.  That's why they think "Dark Matter" (or unobservable matter) exists to increase the Gravity forces. 

If you assume Galaxies are much smaller though this changes things.  And I heard someone assert that if Galaxies don't attract there Satellite Galaxies but instead create them in there intersteller nurseries, then you remove the need for dark matter and energy altogether.

There's other Phenomena that Dark Matter tries to explain such as the somewhat symmetrical rotation of galaxies and there arms (see attachment), but I'm still unsure what happens at the Galactic Center as are many scientists.


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Flat Earth Community / Re: New Universe Model ("Many Worlds" Theory)
« on: February 16, 2021, 01:49:04 AM »
Hi, yes.  I believe Andromeda like all galaxies are earth like structures moving in space.  Please see the attached Photo of the Milky Way.  I'd argue that the Galactic "Bulge" is part of its atmosphere or "Dome".  The Globular Clusters are Planets.  The Dense Disc in the middle is a Earth Like Planet.  The central lighting comes from a sun or suns.  The circular clouds around it are similar to Earths "Oort Cloud".  I'll try to provide more detail as I find it...

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Philosophy, Religion & Society / Re: Earth Flood and Flat Earth
« on: February 14, 2021, 11:16:35 PM »
Well, apparently was a but of a scientist or "seer" himself as he was able to predict the incoming flood and build a ship to avoid it. 

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Flat Earth Community / New Universe Model ("Many Worlds" Theory)
« on: February 14, 2021, 07:30:36 AM »
Hi Everyone,

I've touched on this topic before but I'd like to share some more content with you.  I believe that Galaxies are smaller and more earth sized then people think.  Once I accepted that Earth may look similar to a galaxy, I realized it probably is one!  Then I learned about the Milky Way and its Orbiting Galaxies and realized we are probably one of those!  Lol.  Attached are two links and two photos that talk about the "Local Group" of nearby galaxies and the smaller "Dwarf Galaxies" that look like Earth.

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Local_Group

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Leo_Triplet

I'd be happy to field more questions on this topic as it was a fascinating idea to me.

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Philosophy, Religion & Society / An Idea for the flat earth cover-up
« on: February 09, 2021, 01:03:15 AM »
Hey Guys,

I have an advanced theory of why people at high levels of government may have intentionally hid the true shape of the earth.

First, I'm aware that the spherical earth model has existed as early as 600BC from the Greeks and the Hebrews and Romans adopted it Around 300Bce.  Since then it seems to have been a popular model in Europe whose influence eventually spread to America. 

Now, what I'm proposing is that flat earth ideas have existed before, during, and after this period but as you know they are rarely spoken of.  I'm of the belief that Flat Earth beliefs are associated with governance, animal life, and even god.  I kind of agree actually and my own version of a flat earth map I was going to call the "Animal Kingdom Map".  But anyway, its kind of true.  If you look at the iconology of all major governments they always have  pictures of Animals as national symbols of character. 

Why I think these kind of scientific beliefs were surppressed, stems from WW2 and peoples general lack of trust in government institutions.

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Flat Earth Community / Re: Is Earth Moving?
« on: February 07, 2021, 09:46:30 PM »
Bob theres a host of great information in this article.  It helps explain the altitude of low earth orbiting objects and how its even affected by the suns intensity.  93 miles is the distance for such objects to make one revolution around the planet in a day with little imput from the satellite.

Thanks!

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Flat Earth Community / Re: Is Earth Moving?
« on: February 07, 2021, 02:11:31 AM »
On a more serious note, I have an idea to explain gravity and why the earth moves without any of us noticing it. Beneath the Ozone Layer, air pressure is Much greater then beyond it. There's a sharp drop off as pointed by other members discussing this topic. See "Flat earth inquiries into the firmament" https://forum.tfes.org/index.php?topic=17181.msg224307#msg224307

This helps explain why the atmosphere moves with the earth (along with friction, momentum, gravity and other phenomina) and why we can't sense it. Also keep in mind, whether the the earth is flat or round, it still tilts or turns at 15deg per hour. That's nothing, at least that we can feel.

This also helps explain why satellites can traverse such a large distance around the earth without serious energy output. RE calls it an orbit, I think it's because the higher atmospheres of gaseous liquids do move in a whirlpool around the sun (whether it's the sun inward spiralling consumption of space fuel or the earth stirring things up). Planets also orbit in such a way without an engine. They just gently float in space following the liquid current of space. This is just an idea so far, I'm really looking for more ideas.

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This is interesting,  thank you. 

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Because the atmosphere of the Earth also spins with the Earth. If what you are proposing were true, helicopters could just hover and wait for their destination to come to them. Similarly, jumping in a train or plane would slam you across on the back of the vehicle.

Raza, if the helicopter hovered over the earth for 10 hours i bet it would still move east (opposite the earths rotation) even with normal wind conditions because the atmosphere still must trail the earth because it is a gas after all.

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All the usual talk of flights is all very well, but to bring the discussion down to earth I’d like to ask MetaTron what the distance on this new map is from Moscow to Vladivostock, as taken by the Trans Siberian Railway, overland. The route passes through Kirov, Yekaterinberg, Novosibirsk, Krasnoyarsk, Irkutsk, Ulan-Ude, Svobodny and Khabarovsk to name a few places along the way.

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Trans-Siberian_Railway

The actual distance is going to be a little longer than the direct measurement because the train route isn’t perfectly straight, but what sort of distance do you make it on your new map?

Hi, the distance is the same.  I dont like to question well documented distance measurements on earth.   

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[quote author=MetaTron  Why don't planes take my straight route on your map over Africa and South America when flying London to LA? It's way shorter and they are not fighting a jetstream.


Stack, I discovered two more jet streams that run right through South America.   See attachments.

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Flat Earth Theory / Re: New model of the Universe.
« on: February 05, 2021, 03:32:06 PM »
I also think the moon and sun are similar in size.   In fact, I think the moon was once a sun too.  Binary (or two) star systems are very common. 

https://physicsworld.com/a/planet-forming-stream-found-in-binary-star-system/

This may lend weight to your arguments of two suns, moons, and common orbits.

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So why not turning this around and using a flat earth map projected on a globe?
This would solve all shape and distance problems forever.
 ;)

Lol, interesting idea.

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You're missing a key fact. Not only do planes fly that northerly path from LA to London, but they fly the same path, against the polar jetstream, from London to LA. Why don't planes take my straight route on your map over Africa and South America when flying London to LA? It's way shorter and they are not fighting a jetstream.

Average flight time, British airways non-stop LAX to LHR is 9:37
Average flight time, British airways non-stop LHR to LAX is 10:31

1 hour difference yet your northerly arcing flight path is at least a third longer than my straight line path on your map.





As usual thank you for the mind bending information.   I can't answer this yet.  My first thoughts are why are planes travelling up a jet stream?  But I can see there trying to avoid it.  Jet streams are normally a few hundred miles wide.  And even if that was the shortest distance, why if the earth is spinning TOWARDS you on your flight from London to LAX, why would the flight take longer?  It should be shorter.?  The only answer I have is when you fly near the Artic Circle, you have entered the Twilight Zone!

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Flat Earth Theory / Re: New model of the Universe.
« on: February 05, 2021, 04:02:18 AM »
Great stuff Alexander.  Heres a few thoughts.

Betelgeuse - the correlation you found between the suns light flares and betelgeuses flares is great.  I also believe betelgeuse is within our steller neighborhood of planets and nebulas.

I think its funny Nasa is on the outer edges of the world conducting star trek experiments, but I don't think there shooting films for public use (id need more evidense), but again, the photos Greenland versus Mars are the same so Id need an explanation.

I also agree that the distance and size of objects in space  are greatly exaggerated.   I think the Milky Way is a few times larger then earth and it creates dwarf galaxies like earth (which in real size is the same size as we can measure today using cars and aircraft etc..)

I don't really agree that the earth and sun circle another object.   I think the earth is at the center of our "galaxy" so to speak and it's surrounded by the oort cloud which produces planets.   Only large galaxy's like the milky way make galaxies.

The half-lifes of sound and light particles you mentioned was cool. 

So you think the earth is round btw?  And spinning?  Your ideas fall in the middle of mainstream flat earth beliefs and round earth beliefs,  the same as me.

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How does light bend to give the illusion of a celestial pole? On your map, I’m assuming the center is the South Pole and this has the southern celestial pole but how does the northern celestial pole works?

In the more traditional north centered flat Earth map, in the other thread, Tom tried to explain it away using crepuscular and anti crepuscular rays. That explanation was shaky but even more glaring issue was the ability of people on different continents to look at their own south directions (remember, different places on a flat Earth) and still see the same stars. I remember stack or someone else found a time of year when conditions are dark enough to see stars from Australia, tip of South America, and tip of Africa.

How do you explain that? On the Globe earth, South Pole is a single point. People looking south from all of those three locations are converging at a singular point. Therefore, they can easily see the same set of stars.

This issue was not resolved by the way and Tom has now abandoned that thread presumably because it’s not really recoverable without also bending logic. In a yet another thread about a similar discussion I believe the flat Earth proponents had to change wiki because of this issue.

Regarding light bending, in the summer months in NY, i can see the Sun rise to my North West and Set North East.
 If the sun is located below my latitude which it is, shouldn't it rise and set in front of me in SW and SE?  I went nuts over this, until I realized that during sunrise im seeing a reflection of the sun on the northern edge of the dome (which is North West). As it rises the suns rays are less distorted during the day (my viewing angle is closer to 90deg) and therefore passes in front of me (facing south) as one would expect. During the winter it rises and sets in front of me which (correct me if im wrong, but the sun is farther south and more perpendicular to the dome so theres less of a bending of light around the dome effect.  If you take a flashlight and point it at a huge glass dome, the sides will illuminate less as you point the flashlight down and center.  If you bring the light to the edge of the dome it will reflect on all sides.   

For star purposes, if you spin the earth which i believe happens, beneath a starry sky through the eyes of a dome, you will observe two seperate rotating circles that represent the two poles of axis.  It's in the wiki.  Further, if you admit being able to see a huge sun at sunset (despite being further away from your location), then you have to admit that the dome can share and magnify images of the sky to your location even if its not near you.  That's my understanding of stars as seen by people around the northern hemisphere.  They see a certain set of stars based on there viewing angle, and can see these stars during a big portion of the night and to there north because the Dome helps project these images to everyone as the starlight bends around it during the early hours of night and the later hours of night just like the sun in the morning! 

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Stack, it is at least pretty clear that they fly directly within the polar jet stream. As to why they didn't pick another route, well, my drawings of the jet streams arent perfect.  If you line them up perfectly with the flight path, then almost all of the jet streams have tradeoffs.  The polar jet is long but smooth, the middle stream is very curvey and far north anyway, and the southern jet is only available for maybe 50% of the trip and your still going out of your way.   The direct route you propose has no jet stream, you only pass through one twice at an intersection.




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Flat Earth Theory / Re: The nature of light and the size of the Universe.
« on: February 04, 2021, 12:17:14 PM »
These are some interesting ideas, I'll look over more later, but welcome to the forum.

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Okay Stack, I got it. It's because the path from LA to London follows exactley along the path of a polar jet stream. This increases the planes speed and presumably makes up for the longer distance.   Theres no significant jet stream if you went in a straight line on my map.  See the attached flight path and stream path.  I mapped them out on my original more accurate map too.

 Admittedly, this flight path is also a straight line and the most direct path on a round 3D earth map from LA to London (see attachment).  So,  I guess It's what you want to believe.   

Here's a fun story on how a jet steam pushed an aircraft past 800mph.  https://www.thetravel.com/jet-stream-propels-record-breaking-l-a-to-london-flight-to-801-mph/amp/

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